FX Vs Phenom II

[Hubb1e]

So, I guess we all decided that the FX6100 is better than the PhII as the OP asked.

And, my vote is for the FX6100 over an i3 even if you keep it stock. Overclock to 4.4ghz and it will even narrow the single thread advantage of the i3 making the FX6100 at $125 finally a nice chip at this price.

But, I'd rather just save up a bit more and go for an i5.

 

[pcsavvy]

This is what the op originally asked and said:

I'm looking to upgrade my PC soon. I'm wondering about what AMD has to offer. I heard Bulldozer was very disappointing and that a Phenom can beat it. I'm wondering if this is true? I'm looking for something in the FX 6100 range. Not sure what the Phenom equivalent is called though. Should I go for a Bulldozer, Phenom or wait? I've already asked about the i3 in another thread, but right now I want to research AMD CPUs.

BTW, I do everything with my computer. That includes video editing, game playing (would gladly settle for 720p), and web surfing.

The op just asked a simple question about which AMD cpu he should go for. He already stated that he had asked about the I3 in another thread. He mentions what he does with his computer.
How is this question biased? The op was looking for some objective information about AMD cpu's from people who maybe had personal experience with the various AMD cpu's he asked about or knew where to find information about these cpu's.

Wow, I checked prices with an online retailer and an FX 6100 is only $15 more than an I3. Let me think here, I pay $15 more for a cpu that has 6 cores, can be o/c'ed. For a video encoding machine on the cheap that sounds pretty good.
Or if op wanted to go cheaper, you can get a FX quad for about the price of an I3.
Wait but an I5 only costs $70 more than the cheapest FX quad.:\

Six vs Quad vs Dual==} video encoding vs gaming o/c vs stock

Nowhere did I read that AMD is better or whatever in op's original statement, just a simple question that needed some answers, not the let loose the dogs of war tirade of intel vs amd.....

Please enough about the power stuff, you guys make it sound like AMD is a gas hog and Intel is an electric car with the energy savings. Is it really that a dramatic of a difference in power usage?

 

[Magic Carpet]

So, I guess we all decided that the FX6100 is better than the PhII as the OP asked.

Better in the sense that it is still widely available, wheres Thuban is hard to find these days for the right price. If I had to pick FX, I'd only consider 8120 anyway.

 

[Bill Brasky]

So, I guess we all decided that the FX6100 is better than the PhII as the OP asked.

And, my vote is for the FX6100 over an i3 even if you keep it stock. Overclock to 4.4ghz and it will even narrow the single thread advantage of the i3 making the FX6100 at $125 finally a nice chip at this price.

But, I'd rather just save up a bit more and go for an i5.

Not me. I'd rather have a 965 Black Edition over an fx 6100 10 times out of 10. It's pretty much a $100 i5-750.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=109

 

[exar333]

Not me. I'd rather have a 965 Black Edition over an fx 6100 10 times out of 10. It's pretty much a $100 i5-750.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=109

This! They have a $50 PhII x4 on sale at MC! I would take that over BD...

 

[Magic Carpet]

This! They have a $50 PhII x4 on sale at MC! I would take that over BD...

IMO, this is the best value processor.

 

[videogames101]

Im willing to bet that an FX6100 with HD7870 is faster than your Core i5 paired with the HD6870 in games while costing the same or less.

You people are brainwashed with low resolution gaming benchmarks and believe that a faster CPU is better in gaming than a better GPU.

Doesn't change the fact you'll be getting a higher frame rate with a 2500k than with an fx6100 with the same GPU.

As for my own case, I purchased the 6870 when I had a Q9550. I only recently upgraded the cpu, not because I wanted higher FPS, but because I needed more compute on the CPU side for non-gaming related activities.

If I wanted to max my FPS for a given game at a particular cost, I'm fairly sure an i3 would win at the same pricepoint =D It was a cute argument though.

 

[RussianSensation]

Not me. I'd rather have a 965 Black Edition over an fx 6100 10 times out of 10. It's pretty much a $100 i5-750.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/102?vs=109

Not really. Phenom II has IPC roughly equivalent to 45nm Core 2 Quad Q9550. Core i7-750 just looks slow since it has 2.66ghz factory clock. Put that up to 3.8ghz and it's game over for Phenom II. Also Phenom II 965 is falling apart in newer games even against a stock FX6100. Phenom II never even came close to keeping up with a Core i5 750 @ 3.8ghz and lately it's doing worse in games not better.

That $50 Phenom II is a good budget deal though

Doesn't change the fact you'll be getting a higher frame rate with a 2500k than with an fx6100 with the same GPU.

Ya, that is true. I'd spend a bit more for a 2500K, especially since hits 4.3-4.7ghz with little effort. It's pretty remarkable that AMD still has nothing that can beat a Core i7 920 @ 4.0ghz from 2008. Not even the FX-8150 @ 4.6ghz can do it outside of maybe video encoding/rendering or encryption, even then it depends on the app.

You Intelots are a funny bunch.

The funny part is the OP's main question was in regard to how AMD CPUs stack up. While obviously not as good as Intel's i5/i7 CPUs (even older generations), Bulldozer seems to be getting too much criticism against Phenom II CPUs especially since it's doing better in modern games.

Against the Phenom II X4/X6, the FX6100 really isn't that bad. If anything, what's surprising to me is that it is the Phenom II X4 that's starting to show its age and Bulldozer is actually starting to pull away.

 

[sefsefsefsef]

Against the Phenom II X4/X6, the FX6100 really isn't that bad. If anything, what's surprising to me is that it is the Phenom II X4 that's starting to show its age and Bulldozer is actually starting to pull away.

For a 12.5% clock increase between the PII x4 955 --> FX-4100, we see a 17.9% FPS increase. IPC INCREASED!!!