fx5200 vs. ti200

merlocka

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depends on the 5200, but even the 5200U isn't a major upgrade unless doing alot of AA / AF.

 

modedepe

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Sidegrade except for aa/af...which the fx5200 is too slow to be using anyway. Nvidia's marketing has worked yet again.
 

stardust

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Well the FX5200 is Geforce4 MX speeds. It is also ment as a replacement for them. So expect par performance with the GF3 mebe a more.
I had the Ti200 a while back and I remember it being much slower than my friends Geforce4 MX460 at the time. After I got my Ti4400, both the Ti200 and MX460 felt obsolete. I haven't seen head on head comparisons between the Ti200 and FX5200 but I would say the FX is the better of the 2, by quite a bit.
 

Mingon

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It doesnt look good.

Really, the 5200 in the review is the non-ultra and it is up against a 900 pro and a 9600 pro, what do you expect? I would say it does quite well and gets quite close in alot of tests.
 

techwanabe

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I think marketing is at the heard of all the nomenclature for ATI and Nvidia latest batch of cards. They put high number in the name, and put them on the shelf at Best Buy or ChumpUSA and ignorant people come along and fall for it. Price should be a big indicator! Well, they may get home and find the card play's their games, but disappointingly slow compared to what it could be.
 

ZimZum

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Originally posted by: Mingon
It doesnt look good.

Really, the 5200 in the review is the non-ultra and it is up against a 900 pro and a 9600 pro, what do you expect? I would say it does quite well and gets quite close in alot of tests.

The card nick was asking about is a non ultra. Also one of the cards that the 5200 loses to on a fair amount of benchmarks the MX 460, not exactly a speed demon. BTW the ultra isnt that much better it still gets its lunch eaten by a 4200.
 

Pete

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Originally posted by: nick1985
my friend has a ti200, and he went out and bought a 5200. opinions?

He wasted $80 on a card that offers essentially the same performance, IMO--unless he sold the GF3 for ~$50, in which case the better 2D/DVD and extra memory may be worth it.
 

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I did the same thing and got an Albatron GeforceFX 5200PE 128MB too replace my geforce4 Ti4200 i sold the Gefirce4Ti4200 but i made an even bigger mistake then just buying a GeforceFX 5200 i also got a 64bit memory bus version of the card ..... i saw some benchmarks and i cried ... i think ive got a Geforce2mx that can do DX9

Oh another thing to add to this worst buy ever is the Card is clocked at 250Mhz Core and 300Mhz ram !!!!!

Not even the right speeds for the card .. and dont forget the 64bit mem bus too top it off
 

cobra77

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think marketing is at the heard of all the nomenclature for ATI and Nvidia latest batch of cards. They put high number in the name, and put them on the shelf at Best Buy or ChumpUSA and ignorant people come along and fall for it. Price should be a big indicator! Well, they may get home and find the card play's their games, but disappointingly slow compared to what it could be.

It used to be bad enough with the MX vs Ti lines, Many people thought a Geforce4 must be better then a
geforce3. Unless they got a Ti they were wrong. Now it's much worse, 3 people can buy a FX5200 and get 3 different speed cards. And none of them would be better then most Geforce 3's or 4's. Now ATI is playing the same game. It's getting ridiculous. :|
 

Mingon

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The card nick was asking about is a non ultra. Also one of the cards that the 5200 loses to on a fair amount of benchmarks the MX 460, not exactly a speed demon. BTW the ultra isnt that much better it still gets its lunch eaten by a 4200.

But the point is that the card it loses to have far superior fill rate and memory bandwidth, so to get quite close is a good achievement
 

ZimZum

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Originally posted by: Mingon
The card nick was asking about is a non ultra. Also one of the cards that the 5200 loses to on a fair amount of benchmarks the MX 460, not exactly a speed demon. BTW the ultra isnt that much better it still gets its lunch eaten by a 4200.

But the point is that the card it loses to have far superior fill rate and memory bandwidth, so to get quite close is a good achievement

So the poor performance of the card is a "good achievment" when you take into account that its a POS ?!
 

Mingon

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So the poor performance of the card is a "good achievment" when you take into account that its a POS ?!

Its a good acheivment when it is being compared to more expensive cards yes, its a budget card remember.


Digit life have their monthly round-up for july up. Have a read the fx5200 250/400 can produce playable game rates* at 1024x768 on most games and is comparable to a ati 9000 (non pro). So how does that make it a 'POS' ? its a budget card that can play games albeit without the full details turned up at moderate frame rates so to me it fulfills its brief.

HOCP Budget-Showdown

At the end of the day, we are left looking at a landslide of sorts. Without question, the GeForce FX 5200 is the undisputed budget performance champion. Even with that said, newer games such as Splinter Cell and UT2K3 are going to almost require you go to 800x600 resolution with no AA or AF in order to get playable frame rates.
No other value-oriented card brings as much performance or support for the latest features as the NVIDIA 5200. This is not to say that the NVIDIA card is not without its faults. One look at the CodeCreatures results illustrates one of this card?s greatest faults. After all, what good is having support for the latest pixel and vertex shaders if the shaders themselves are not powerful enough to provide acceptable performance? Despite a few flaws here and there, the GeForce FX 5200 is the card to buy if you?re in the market for a sub-$100 graphics card. As we have seen, it can run the latest games at 1024x768 to 1280x1024 with respectable frame-rates, and can even provide enough headroom for some enhanced image quality settings. Add to that the possibility of stealing even more performance through overclocked core and memory frequencies and you have yourself an incredible bargain for roughly $75. For the gaming enthusiast who finds themselves on a strict budget, we find it hard to do much better than the GeForce FX 5200.



*where playable is more than 25fps - most casual gamers suggest this as playable, Personally I prefer 60 fps min.
 

ZimZum

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Originally posted by: Mingon
So the poor performance of the card is a "good achievment" when you take into account that its a POS ?!

Its a good acheivment when it is being compared to more expensive cards yes, its a budget card remember.


Digit life have their monthly round-up for july up. Have a read the fx5200 250/400 can produce playable game rates* at 1024x768 on most games and is comparable to a ati 9000 (non pro). So how does that make it a 'POS' ? its a budget card that can play games albeit without the full details turned up at moderate frame rates so to me it fulfills its brief.




*where playable is more than 25fps - most casual gamers suggest this as playable, Personally I prefer 60 fps min.

25 fps? I wont even play Tetris at 25 fps. If youre going to use the price argument, a Ti 4200 can be bought for around the same price that will molest a 5200. You could also get a retail 8500 or gf3 ti 500 all of which will easily outperform a 5200. So yes budget or no IMO its a POS. Lackluster features lackluster performance etc etc.
 

Mingon

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25 fps? I wont even play Tetris at 25 fps. If youre going to use the price argument, a Ti 4200 can be bought for around the same price that will molest a 5200. You could also get a retail 8500 or gf3 ti 500 all of which will easily outperform a 5200. So yes budget or no IMO its a POS. Lackluster features lackluster performance etc etc.

well as I said most casual gamers say 25fps is ok, (but not for me). In the UK a ti4200 is nowhere near as cheap as a 5200, 8500 are very rare (9100 are available but lower clocked) and the ti500 gf3 is still quite expensive unless you buy secondhand. So for the majority of people the 5200 is Ok, which is why Nvidia have made a fortune with it.

As for lacklustre features you are talking rubbish, their is no card which supports directx9 in the price range >.< This will lead programmers to code for dx9 nowing full well that it is available for the lowest common denominator.
It is not as you put it a POS for the price with the features it has their is nothing else available BRAND NEW.
 
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Originally posted by: nick1985
my friend has a ti200, and he went out and bought a 5200. opinions?

He's a moron. Take his Ti200, OC the crap out of it, and laugh when you get better results.

- M4H
 

ZimZum

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Originally posted by: Mingon

well as I said most casual gamers say 25fps is ok, (but not for me). In the UK a ti4200 is nowhere near as cheap as a 5200, 8500 are very rare (9100 are available but lower clocked) and the ti500 gf3 is still quite expensive unless you buy secondhand. So for the majority of people the 5200 is Ok, which is why Nvidia have made a fortune with it.

As for lacklustre features you are talking rubbish, their is no card which supports directx9 in the price range >.< This will lead programmers to code for dx9 nowing full well that it is available for the lowest common denominator.
It is not as you put it a POS for the price with the features it has their is nothing else available BRAND NEW.

I can only speak of prices in the states where a Brand New 4200, 8500 and ti 500 can all be had at around the price of the 5200.

DX9 on a 5200 is about as useful as utters on a bull, Even if they worked you wouldnt want what came out of them.
You try running a DX9 game on a 5200 and you will be watching a slide show. It even struggles with DX8 games. Its not even a true DX9 card anyway it only has dx9 features added to it.
 
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