FX5950, still better than 9800XT...

[Keysplayr]

There is such a thing as being too open-minded you know[/quote]


Yes, I would agree. But as far as I know, any open mind, no matter to what degree, is far better than a closed one.
But, when your right your right. I don't want to look as though as I am defending the guy because I'm not. Just like to see
everyone get a fair shake and not get hammered to early.

So, I think he even gave up on the thread. No posts in a while.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Maddscientist

You speak of facts when you don't have any to back up what your saying.

Im confused? Wait no no you are! Since you say I had no facts yet the facts of my theory where clearly listed?

1. All Lowercase letters
2. Bad spelling
3. His sentences are childlike

Good thing your not Sherlock Holmes eh? Checkmate conversation over....

All this proves is that he used lowercase letters, has bad spelling, and childlike sentences. Tell me how old he is. Not how old you "think" he is.

Why is the conversation over? Do you think you control conversations in here?

Kind of presumptuous.

I myself have noticed no 2D speed difference switching from my 9700 to my 5900. 3D yes, but not 2D. Image quality looks the same on both cards.

Whats the big deal anyway? This entire thread seems to be on a 13 year old level. "My 2D is better than your 2D" ::::: Places thumbs on each ear and wiggles fingers::::: It's all childish...

 

[Maddscientist]

Why is the conversation over? Do you think you control conversations in here?

Yes.... I control my conversations and once again for a final closing statement for your benifit...Good day!

 

[edmundoab]

i'd rather go voodoo 3 for 2D lol

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Maddscientist

Why is the conversation over? Do you think you control conversations in here?

Yes.... I control my conversations and once again for a final closing statement for your benifit...Good day!

In no way shape or form can I benefit from you. But to reciprocate, Good Day.

 

[cm123]

Ok you all, this has gotten WAY OFF track, I will try to answer as many questions as I can about myself in this post other than you all fighting about it....

facts:
1.) I am in my late 30's
2.) I work for/at a Whitebox OEM Microsoft system builder company
3.) I do now have some stock in the company I work at.
4.) My official position is one of a few Chiefs and Engineer
5.) I have been in the system builder industry for over 18 years
6.) I really have the certs. listed, but don't think for a second that is that many as lots of people in this forum have MORE!
7.) I do have the basic A+ and such as well, I train other techs. in A+ and the MCSE (sometimes Basic Linux)
8.) I don't work for CRN, that was reported in error in some trade post once.
9.) I was only a guest on CRN at breakaway exchange and did a interview/speach on the "state of the industry"
10.) I can use better words, caps and such... you all are being way too serious
11.) I HAVE GOTTEN SPIFF before from companies for SELLING there products.
12.) I did work direct with AMD, ATI, Nvidia and BCM when we designed the (in CRN's view/eyes) the world's first AMD Athlon system (per AMD at the time as well), it was found by CRN to have set new records for CPU, 3D (ATI), HDD, and memory also the fastest CRN desktop in the world at the time, the system took 1st place for the year, we also shipped a Intel based system, it tied with compaq for 2nd and set a new record for 2D speed using Nvidia.
13.) My focus has been on highend desktops, highend servers (1 to 8 cpu's), digital PBX computer systems, everything Microsoft.
14.) We used to send a system done the line at a rate of 1 every 15 min. YES the post that said sysprep etc... and that MS direct is a norm. for system builders is right (he prob. is one too is my guess).
15.) Was the senior engineer working with Microsoft (not for) in the windows 2000 launch and devolpement (beta), we where in return trained directly be MS (made the MCSE a snap to update/pass).
16.) All my certs. I take the full course and never and never the update or fast track.
17.) I AM NOT A GRAPHICS CHIP ENGINEER, of course many reviewers are not as well, but I look to sites for trends and facts, sometimes misleading Information as well.
18.) Do I have friends at graphics compaies, used to (Diamondmm).

Look, again, this is NOT about me, like you all I am looking at reviews and NOT the reviewer except I myself own these cards: ATI 9800XT, 9800Pro, 9700Pro (retail ATI) and FX5950Ultra, FX5600ultra, Ti4600 (BFG), I found that the reviews I linked to posted some needed information that needs to be seen. Everyone right now is passing around the how good ATI and letting them slide, this is NOT a good ideal right now.

Here's my personal issues I have had (straight up):

5950 & 5600 ultra (BFG), feels fastest in everyday work, plays all my games great on a 19" LCD at 1280x1024. The ATI 9800XT often has liitle issues (example: Rise of Nations, limited to 1024x768 where as the 5950 lets me go higher - others won't play at all on the ATI 9800XT, like CC Zero hour, I know, I know, if I mess around rolling back drivers and such on the ATI, it might work, just don't want to mess around all the time - there is more but you get the point).

I also had issues where both my 9800Pro and 9800XT black screen on my LCD's with 3.7 & 3.8 cats (DVI)... however burning them out as some say, have yet to figure that one out? - don't leave your display on when its out of sync...

My 3 systems that all had the issues:

2 the same: Intel 875 Mainbaords, Mushkin 512x2 DDR, WD 36GB 10k, Samsung DVD/CDRW combo 52X, Sound blaster audigy ZS, intel csa 1000mbs.

1 amd 64 is same except: Asus MB, amd 3200 64 cpu.

I would hope this is enough info to stop this crazy word battle and get back to the point... If not post and I will try to answer more or whatever I can do...

I should note, that by posting what I use, I in no way directly or indirectly recommend or NOT recommend these manufacturers items.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Maddscientist

You speak of facts when you don't have any to back up what your saying.

Im confused? Wait no no you are! Since you say I had no facts yet the facts of my theory where clearly listed?

1. All Lowercase letters
2. Bad spelling
3. His sentences are childlike

Good thing your not Sherlock Holmes eh? Checkmate conversation over....

All this proves is that he used lowercase letters, has bad spelling, and childlike sentences. Tell me how old he is. Not how old you "think" he is.

Why is the conversation over? Do you think you control conversations in here?

Kind of presumptuous.

I myself have noticed no 2D speed difference switching from my 9700 to my 5900. 3D yes, but not 2D. Image quality looks the same on both cards.

Whats the big deal anyway? This entire thread seems to be on a 13 year old level. "My 2D is better than your 2D" ::::: Places thumbs on each ear and wiggles fingers::::: It's all childish...

 

[oldfart]

I found that the reviews I linked to posted some needed information that needs to be seen.

That "review" has A LOT of problems. It is a total joke. I listed what what the problems are on page 3 of this thread (2 posts)

I dont know what FS was trying to pull with this "article". All you have to do is read it and you will see that FS is FoS

 

[cm123]

If you relook at a little closer, (your saying the 1 review - I posted many) you will find that the 5900 IS compared against a 9800 and not stock speeds inlcuding a third clocked 5900 at 3D clocked speeds (as the 5900 runs slower at 2D ver 3D) and the graphic shows the lowest number is the fastest... easy to over look this.

Owning both 9800XT and 5950, still has the same performance spread.

Originally posted by: oldfart

I found that the reviews I linked to posted some needed information that needs to be seen.

That "review" has A LOT of problems. It is a total joke. I listed what what the problems are on Page 3 of this thread]http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1175382&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=3[/L][/L]

I dont know what FS was trying to pull with the "article".

 

[oldfart]

Yes, I was only referring to the FS article that started this thread. I was shocked at the effort FS put into tilting the review towards nVidia. I must have missed your posts of other 2D performance articles. Mind linking them? This thread has 5 pages and I dont feel like searching through all of them.

Thanks

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: oldfart
Yes, I was only referring to the FS article that started this thread. I was shocked at the effort FS put into tilting the review towards nVidia. I must have missed your posts of other 2D performance articles. Mind linking them? This thread has 5 pages and I dont feel like searching through all of them.

Thanks

Don't you wish (as I do) the tilting could be put aside on all the review. Just tell it as it is, better for all of us period! Sucks to buy something you seen reviewed as gold, get it home and you can't make it run like the review or even work at all, cause someone just left out some info for some product spin. Maybe the last page of each review should be, the reviewer selling us on why product xxx is better, even if it is not!

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: oldfart
Yes, I was only referring to the FS article that started this thread. I was shocked at the effort FS put into tilting the review towards nVidia. I must have missed your posts of other 2D performance articles. Mind linking them? This thread has 5 pages and I dont feel like searching through all of them.

Thanks

Don't you wish (as I do) the tilting could be put aside on all the review. Just tell it as it is, better for all of us period! Sucks to buy something you seen reviewed as gold, get it home and you can't make it run like the review or even work at all, cause someone just left out some info for some product spin. Maybe the last page of each review should be, the reviewer selling us on why product xxx is better, even if it is not!

FS has lost a lot of credibility with me for that article. It was blatantly skewed towards nVidia. You may want to read an article to see if it is actually valid before you go putting up a post such as this next time.

So, are there any reviews with 2D performance comparisons that are actually valid? You seemed to indicate that there were.

The FS article is not even worth reading unless you are looking for an example of how a "review site" can be blatantly biased towards one company.

 

[cm123]

This is only my word of course, but I did find FS findings to be right on. However very confussing at how they went about
it and how they posted the results. There are more 2d's I am thinking gamersdepot? is where i saw. (I personaly do use both the 5950 & 9800XT - 1 on each daily machines I use - at home I switched to AMD 64 & 5950 now from P4/3.2 & 9800XT - I am in the business and need to be using/on top of the changes on why I switch. On a off topic, I falling in love with the AMD 64, reminds me of the old 440BX/PIII days... not a single crash yet!

More than ever we need to push Nvidia & ATI right now, they both are getting a little slap happy with there drivers right now. I know tweaking makes them work in most cases, but what about when that doesn't work and worst yet for companies like us, when drivers need tweaking to work right, most consumers do not know how to do that (tech. calls like crazy).

Both the 9800XT & 5950 have some driver issues I found personaly, (again personaly) the 9800XT has some that are bad, DX9 games just don't play/look as many review sites say, blowing away the 5950, black screens are common with cat 3.8 & some with cat 3.7, really we have found the out of sync issue cheat fix (while not be it a good solution) is to turn off display and back on a time or two or three, seems to work most of the time.

Nvidia has assured that while truth be told, there products WILL be much harder for THEM (nvidia) to write drivers that support DX9 correctly, they will and be very close to ATI performance or better, ATI on the other hand is only now realizing that they too have a few issues as well... I would NOT be surprized if more mid-release cards show up when more DX9 games come into play for both ATI & Nvidia. XGI could force that hand since there product looks to meet all DX9 specs AND play them right so far. Some DX9 games could push graphics so far, not even our current cards will run with all the eye candy on.

Another link taking about ATI drivers that you may like (or not) - its been posted already.



http://www.gamersdepot.com/ed/cat38/002.htm

Originally posted by: oldfart

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: oldfart
Yes, I was only referring to the FS article that started this thread. I was shocked at the effort FS put into tilting the review towards nVidia. I must have missed your posts of other 2D performance articles. Mind linking them? This thread has 5 pages and I dont feel like searching through all of them.

Thanks

Don't you wish (as I do) the tilting could be put aside on all the review. Just tell it as it is, better for all of us period! Sucks to buy something you seen reviewed as gold, get it home and you can't make it run like the review or even work at all, cause someone just left out some info for some product spin. Maybe the last page of each review should be, the reviewer selling us on why product xxx is better, even if it is not!

FS has lost a lot of credibility with me for that article. It was blatantly skewed towards nVidia. You may want to read an article to see if it is actually valid before you go putting up a post such as this next time.

So, are there any reviews with 2D performance comparisons that are actually valid? You seemed to indicate that there were.

The FS article is not even worth reading unless you are looking for an example of how a "review site" can be blatantly biased towards one company.

 

[oldfart]

This is only my word of course, but I did find FS findings to be right on.

Since the testing was completely invalid and deliberately skewed, the article means nothing and your findings are just your opinion without data to back it up. I asked for some valid benches. You haven't provided any.

Both the 9800XT & 5950 have some driver issues I found personaly, (again personaly) the 9800XT has some that are bad, DX9 games just don't play/look as many review sites say, blowing away the 5950, black screens are common with cat 3.8 & some with cat 3.7

Once again, your opinion. You are correct that both nVidia and ATi have various issues in certain games. The reviews I have read show that to be the case. The "black screen issue" has never been mentioned in any review I have read. I have never had it happen to me with Cat 3.7 or 3.8 or any driver version for that matter, nor do I see posts about this problem in this forum other than yours.

Nvidia has assured that while truth be told, there products WILL be much harder for THEM (nvidia) to write drivers that support DX9 correctly, they will and be very close to ATI performance or better, ATI on the other hand is only now realizing that they too have a few issues as well...

nVidia has come a long way lately. The 52.xx drivers are a huge improvement over previous versions. I dont know that they can catch ATi, but they are certainly in better shape than they were with 4x.xx drivers. The 5700 and 59x0 are finally decent offerings in the nV3x line of products.

 

[Regs]

I think FS is actually FoS.

*Hugs OldFart

 

[reever]

Ok cm, if you have something more than anecdotal evidence to back up your claims please present them, all you do is claim "i have loaded up blah blah and there was a problem, it is all ati's drivers fault"

If you think Nvidias drivers are any beter than ATI I have some of my own anecdotal evidence ot show you

http://www.guru3d.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9

http://www.guru3d.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=21

Plenty of people here are reporting errors with Nvidia drivers which most are solved by going back driver revisions, and some are devastating to the peoples systems. If you think going forward or back in driver revisions is not an option, you better rethink what comes out of your mouth

 

[cm123]

This is what I said below... don't put words in my post... also here's a few reviews that have found some of what I have.. I am NOT claiming anything!!! These are reviews having issues, I have had my own, stop crying about it, face it!

users having issues:

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?s=22644f90c78bd23959ff402d468b6f80&threadid=33705231

gamersdepot having problems:

http://www.gamersdepot.com/ed/cat38/002.htm

FS review performance:

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/building_gaming_opteron_2003_Part1/page6.asp

tom's:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031023/nvidia-nv38-nv36-20.html

NVIDIA Strikes Back link:

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/nvidia_editors_day/default.asp

Originally posted by: cm123
Ok you all, this has gotten WAY OFF track, I will try to answer as many questions as I can about myself in this post other than you all fighting about it....

facts:
1.) I am in my late 30's
2.) I work for/at a Whitebox OEM Microsoft system builder company
3.) I do now have some stock in the company I work at.
4.) My official position is one of a few Chiefs and Engineer
5.) I have been in the system builder industry for over 18 years
6.) I really have the certs. listed, but don't think for a second that is that many as lots of people in this forum have MORE!
7.) I do have the basic A+ and such as well, I train other techs. in A+ and the MCSE (sometimes Basic Linux)
8.) I don't work for CRN, that was reported in error in some trade post once.
9.) I was only a guest on CRN at breakaway exchange and did a interview/speach on the "state of the industry"
10.) I can use better words, caps and such... you all are being way too serious
11.) I HAVE GOTTEN SPIFF before from companies for SELLING there products.
12.) I did work direct with AMD, ATI, Nvidia and BCM when we designed the (in CRN's view/eyes) the world's first AMD Athlon system (per AMD at the time as well), it was found by CRN to have set new records for CPU, 3D (ATI), HDD, and memory also the fastest CRN desktop in the world at the time, the system took 1st place for the year, we also shipped a Intel based system, it tied with compaq for 2nd and set a new record for 2D speed using Nvidia.
13.) My focus has been on highend desktops, highend servers (1 to 8 cpu's), digital PBX computer systems, everything Microsoft.
14.) We used to send a system done the line at a rate of 1 every 15 min. YES the post that said sysprep etc... and that MS direct is a norm. for system builders is right (he prob. is one too is my guess).
15.) Was the senior engineer working with Microsoft (not for) in the windows 2000 launch and devolpement (beta), we where in return trained directly be MS (made the MCSE a snap to update/pass).
16.) All my certs. I take the full course and never and never the update or fast track.
17.) I AM NOT A GRAPHICS CHIP ENGINEER, of course many reviewers are not as well, but I look to sites for trends and facts, sometimes misleading Information as well.
18.) Do I have friends at graphics compaies, used to (Diamondmm).

Look, again, this is NOT about me, like you all I am looking at reviews and NOT the reviewer except I myself own these cards: ATI 9800XT, 9800Pro, 9700Pro (retail ATI) and FX5950Ultra, FX5600ultra, Ti4600 (BFG), I found that the reviews I linked to posted some needed information that needs to be seen. Everyone right now is passing around the how good ATI and letting them slide, this is NOT a good ideal right now.

Here's my personal issues I have had (straight up):

5950 & 5600 ultra (BFG), feels fastest in everyday work, plays all my games great on a 19" LCD at 1280x1024. The ATI 9800XT often has liitle issues (example: Rise of Nations, limited to 1024x768 where as the 5950 lets me go higher - others won't play at all on the ATI 9800XT, like CC Zero hour, I know, I know, if I mess around rolling back drivers and such on the ATI, it might work, just don't want to mess around all the time - there is more but you get the point).

I also had issues where both my 9800Pro and 9800XT black screen on my LCD's with 3.7 & 3.8 cats (DVI)... however burning them out as some say, have yet to figure that one out? - don't leave your display on when its out of sync...

My 3 systems that all had the issues:

2 the same: Intel 875 Mainbaords, Mushkin 512x2 DDR, WD 36GB 10k, Samsung DVD/CDRW combo 52X, Sound blaster audigy ZS, intel csa 1000mbs.

1 amd 64 is same except: Asus MB, amd 3200 64 cpu.

I would hope this is enough info to stop this crazy word battle and get back to the point... If not post and I will try to answer more or whatever I can do...

I should note, that by posting what I use, I in no way directly or indirectly recommend or NOT recommend these manufacturers items.

 

[reever]

This is what I said below... don't put words in my post... also here's a few reviews that have found some of what I have.. I am NOT claiming anything!!! These are reviews having issues, I have had my own, stop crying about it, face it!

Face what? Face the fact that Nvidia is no better than ATI is right now in terms of driver compatibility and performance? Face that you go over your own opinion over eveyrbody elses, and shield yourself from everything that doesnt agree with you?

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: reever

This is what I said below... don't put words in my post... also here's a few reviews that have found some of what I have.. I am NOT claiming anything!!! These are reviews having issues, I have had my own, stop crying about it, face it!

Face what? Face the fact that Nvidia is no better than ATI is right now in terms of driver compatibility and performance? Face that you go over your own opinion over eveyrbody elses, and shield yourself from everything that doesnt agree with you?

you almost got it right, ati has problems too (it seems trendy for some many people to forget that right now), what's anything have to do here with my opinion? NONE!!! I posted nothing but review links and some issues I am having as facts and some comments, In my world, CL/3d labs would make consumer cards... there's nothing to shield from.


Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right!

Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want.

It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

 

[reever]

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

I thought you said you sold your cards?

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

 

[reever]

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

Where is the proof that Nvidia has less and such problems as ATI? If you want to make a point you should stpo with all of the opinions

 

[cm123]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

I thought you said you sold your cards?

... Company does, but I am of course not able to get into corp. issues much on a forum. Are you asking if we are having ATI issues? Only support of/for ATI cards sucks right now if you are. I still can only answer as to my opinion on this forum, not as to corp. views, except this statement of course. ATI cards do sell well, as do Nvidia. We sell off of reviews like many companies do, that's why we monitor sites like this (and forums).

If I am wrong on what your point is, just ask.

Ever has a post got so many personal questions before?

 

[cm123]

reever, you implyed my opinon(s), so I posted them for you, thats ALL... almost every post here is an opinon however, matched with some product/review talk...

I did backup my issues as well with reviews finding the same problems. For whatever that matters.

Originally posted by: reever

Originally posted by: cm123

Originally posted by: reever

Here is my opinon, Nvidia works, many cases ATI deosn't, watch the post here, more my ATI no work than Nvidia. The fix, its ok that the driver thats in the ATI retail box doesn't work (for ATI right now), just try cat 3.7, make some bios changes, if that no work do some more driver changes... How long are you all going to give ATI to finally get it right! Hold them all to standards that's it... disagree all you want. It's funny some have nothing smart to say, just try to make jabs is all... (why make it personal?)

Why are we making it personal, because you are giving ANECDOTAL evidence. Just because you have problems does not mean eveyrbody does and everybody has 0 problems with Nvidia cards, its just how it is. You can scream about your own experience all you want, it wont matter, Nvidia has issues just as bad as ATI and Nvidia users go through the exact same thing ATI users do in regards to problems

I am not posting about my issues, hince the links, I guess that could be my evidence as each review that I posted, I myself have that issue, if that's how you want to look at it.

Not saying 0 issues with Nvidia, (opinion time here) Nvidia ALWAYS has less & such (never as bad as ATI also).

Where is the proof that Nvidia has less and such problems as ATI? If you want to make a point you should stpo with all of the opinions