G71 to sample next week

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

non-angle dependent AF, HDR + AA to name two.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

non-angle dependent AF, HDR + AA to name two.

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs... and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

Edit: you honestly believe that ATis angle dependant AF is better? its less of a performance hit, but looks terrible as it doesnt apply AF to certain angles AT ALL.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

non-angle dependent AF, HDR + AA to name two.

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs... and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

Wow you're dumb.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Angle independent AF is only when you use HQ AF. However, for mid/low range cards using this feature isnt really a good idea.

Also according to behardware ATis Adaptive AA takes much larger hit then TRAA.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

non-angle dependent AF, HDR + AA to name two.

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs... and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

Edit: you honestly believe that ATis angle dependant AF is better? its less of a performance hit, but looks terrible as it doesnt apply AF to certain angles AT ALL.

This is completly wrong.

Hope it was supposed to be a parody.

posted via Palm Life Drive

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Angle independent AF is only when you use HQ AF. However, for mid/low range cards using this feature isnt really a good idea.

Also according to behardware ATis Adaptive AA takes much larger hit then TRAA.

Bzzt wrong.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Angle independent AF is only when you use HQ AF. However, for mid/low range cards using this feature isnt really a good idea.

Also according to behardware ATis Adaptive AA takes much larger hit then TRAA.

Bzzt wrong.

Whats wrong?

Link

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Pete

I've got a toaster oven to research. Why can't I find one that consistently toasts without burning and doesn't melt a month after the warranty expires? WHY, DAMMIT, WHY?!

because 3dfx used their technology for games. otherwise, we'd have toasters that toast perfectly and tender, juicy all white meat chickens.

 

[BFG10K]

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs

No, they use identical algorithms until you enable ATi's high quality mode which disables angle dependency (something nVidia can't do).

but looks terrible as it doesnt apply AF to certain angles AT ALL.

When you run the HQ mode it applies AF to all angles.

and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

No nVidia card can currently run FP HDR with AA.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
No nVidia card can currently run FP HDR with AA.

A moot point so far. No game has a release version patch for FP HDR+AA.

 

[BFG10K]

No more moot than your Far Cry SM 3.0 benchmarks running on the recalled 1.2 patch.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
No more moot than your Far Cry SM 3.0 benchmarks running on the recalled 1.2 patch.

:roll:

I ran those benches before the patch was leaked, mainly to show the SM3 made a difference.

You are correct though, in a way. I think it was a little more likely we'd have some SM3 games to play at the time though, as it's the MS standard, not a patched one vendor feature from a vendor with few developer relations.

You could be right though- there may be a cavalcade of HDR+AA games on the way!

 

[BFG10K]

I ran those benches before the patch was leaked, mainly to show the SM3 made a difference.

Likewise the leaked 1.4 Far Cry patch (ironically in the same game) shows a difference between HDR and HDR + AA.

I think it was a little more likely we'd have some SM3 games to play at the time though, as it's the MS standard, not a patched one vendor feature from a vendor with few developer relations.

So in otherwords it's okay to pimp nVidia features that are supported by unreleased patches but not ATi features, not even if the game in question is identical to when you pimped the nVidia features.

Thanks for showing us how "fair and balanced" you can be, yet again.

 

[nRollo]

I don't care what you pimp BFG I was just noting there aren't any HDR+AA games officially yet.

I'm sure there will be this year, and I'll be the first to say it's better to have HDR+AA then.

BTW- have you bought that Asus fanless 7800GT yet?

 

[Lord Banshee]

Just a question,

What type of HDR does AOE3 use, as it allows HDR(bloom effect) with AA? Is this bloom effect not HDR at all as this states it uses HDR rendering
http://www.ageofempires3.com/GameFeatures/Graphics.aspx

Anyone know?

 

[destrekor]

didn't know AOE3 used HDR, thought it was just fancy bloom
it just isn't FP HDR then
much like the HDR in VALVe's Source engine... it's great, but isn't using the FP HDR method, so there is the possibility of using AA with it.

 

[Lord Banshee]

So is FP HDR floating point HDR? and what makes is better than the other?

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
So is FP AA floating point AA? and what makes is better than the other?

It's not necessarily better. HL2's HDR implementation arguably looks better. It depends on the artistic ability of the developer more than anything. I'm sure that good non-HDR lighting will look better than lousy HDR lighting.

From a technical standpoint, I'm not sure if there are any advantages of FP HDR.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Angle independent AF is only when you use HQ AF. However, for mid/low range cards using this feature isnt really a good idea.

Also according to behardware ATis Adaptive AA takes much larger hit then TRAA.

Bzzt wrong.

Whats wrong?

Link

For one the review compares the 512 GTX Press Edition that costs $750+ to the $500 X1800XT and furthermore they don't state which mode of TRAA they used (TRMSAA sucks) to compare against AAA. Also you said there are significant differences between TRAA (I'm betting they used TRMSAA) and AAA yet only 2 games showed any significant differences between nVidia and ATi, the rest were nearly dead even.

Lastly, you said using HQ AF isn't a good idea for midrange cards yet this is what the review you linked to had to say about it:

With the exception of Pacific Fighters, which almost exclusively relies on filtering, the aniso HQ cost is very low given that filtering latency, which increases with quality, can be masked by shader calculations. This can be done all the more efficiently by ATI because texturing units are decoupled from the rest. Don´t hesitate to activate this.

If you look at the performance hit HQ AF takes, it averages between 2-6% which is negligible. When I have more time (unless someone else wants to do this) I'll gladly link you to more reviews showing just how efficient HQ AF and AAA are although even the review you linked to doesn't agree with the statements you made regarding HQ AF.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs

No, they use identical algorithms until you enable ATi's high quality mode which disables angle dependency (something nVidia can't do).

but looks terrible as it doesnt apply AF to certain angles AT ALL.

When you run the HQ mode it applies AF to all angles.

and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

No nVidia card can currently run FP HDR with AA.

The filtering algorithms still aren't identical because if you use Quality AF on both ATi and nV cards, there is noticeably more shimmering with nVidia cards.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: munky


Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

Dont forget the certain people who put down ATi cards, because it was "old tech". Now NV has "old tech", but its ok.

really? what features are Nv missing again?

non-angle dependent AF, HDR + AA to name two.

ATis AF implementation sucks compared to NVs... and HDR+AA works on 6800 series and higher.

Wow you're dumb.

I don't know if HDR+AA works on 6800's, but it seems to work on 7800's if a site is able to test it no? Bottom graph on page shows percentage increase with 512MB memory using HDR+AA for 7800 and 1800XT

 

[apoppin]

Nvidia's G71 still not in OEM, distributors hands

ATI has been shipping its R580 - the Radeon X1900 XTX - to them for some time. More than one source confirmed that ATI is preparing for a massive hard launch of its new line, as it will be able to ship the cards when it announces them. In fact, the cards are being sent to shops and OEMs as we speak and they are in production, so everything looks hunky dory for the Canadians right now.

We asked the same sources - and further afield - about Nvidia's cards and so far no one could confrim having seen a G71 not even a sample, which suggests that Nvidia is lagging somewhat behind ATI's agenda. There are still three more weeks till the end of January so the situation might change, but it's looking unlikely now.

Nevertheless, Nvidia did surprise us with the Quad SLI implementation it just announced in cooperation with Dell. That, indeed, was a well-kept secret that Nvidia managed to keep from its key partners, so we were not the only one surprised by it. Nvidia keeps its cards close to its chest these days.

:Q

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: apoppin



Nvidia's G71 still not in OEM, distributors hands

ATI has been shipping its R580 - the Radeon X1900 XTX - to them for some time. More than one source confirmed that ATI is preparing for a massive hard launch of its new line, as it will be able to ship the cards when it announces them. In fact, the cards are being sent to shops and OEMs as we speak and they are in production, so everything looks hunky dory for the Canadians right now.

We asked the same sources - and further afield - about Nvidia's cards and so far no one could confrim having seen a G71 not even a sample, which suggests that Nvidia is lagging somewhat behind ATI's agenda. There are still three more weeks till the end of January so the situation might change, but it's looking unlikely now.

Nevertheless, Nvidia did surprise us with the Quad SLI implementation it just announced in cooperation with Dell. That, indeed, was a well-kept secret that Nvidia managed to keep from its key partners, so we were not the only one surprised by it. Nvidia keeps its cards close to its chest these days.

:Q

Ohh dear

Maybe nVidia are purposely waiting to release soon after, so to tweak clocks for better competition.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: apoppin



Nvidia's G71 still not in OEM, distributors hands

ATI has been shipping its R580 - the Radeon X1900 XTX - to them for some time. More than one source confirmed that ATI is preparing for a massive hard launch of its new line, as it will be able to ship the cards when it announces them. In fact, the cards are being sent to shops and OEMs as we speak and they are in production, so everything looks hunky dory for the Canadians right now.

We asked the same sources - and further afield - about Nvidia's cards and so far no one could confrim having seen a G71 not even a sample, which suggests that Nvidia is lagging somewhat behind ATI's agenda. There are still three more weeks till the end of January so the situation might change, but it's looking unlikely now.

Nevertheless, Nvidia did surprise us with the Quad SLI implementation it just announced in cooperation with Dell. That, indeed, was a well-kept secret that Nvidia managed to keep from its key partners, so we were not the only one surprised by it. Nvidia keeps its cards close to its chest these days.

:Q

Ohh dear

Maybe nVidia are purposely waiting to release soon after, so to tweak clocks for better competition.

i really doubt it . . . we already know ATi's clocks. . . as usual, nVidia will have their outrageously priced "Ultra" waiting in the wings [with 1GB vRAM] to demolish the x1900xtx . . . and of course ATi has their own "PE" edition [they dropped the PE naming finally].

where does it end? . . . bankruptcy for the ultra high end user.