G71 to sample next week

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Didn't the R580 tape out something like two months ago? I would guess that we won't see G71 until March at the earliest. Just because something tapes out it doesn't mean that they will get acceptable yields. The part may not even work properly, similar to R520.

no . . . it's done, the partners have it and the cards are being manufactured . . . expect a hard launch in 19 days with even better yields and availibility than r520.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Didn't the R580 tape out something like two months ago? I would guess that we won't see G71 until March at the earliest. Just because something tapes out it doesn't mean that they will get acceptable yields. The part may not even work properly, similar to R520.

no . . . it's done, the partners have it and the cards are being manufactured . . . expect a hard launch in 19 days with even better yields and availibility than r520.

Dude I'm talking about the G71...

 

[moonboy403]

any news on the price?

i might just step up to sli as well!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Didn't the R580 tape out something like two months ago? I would guess that we won't see G71 until March at the earliest. Just because something tapes out it doesn't mean that they will get acceptable yields. The part may not even work properly, similar to R520.

no . . . it's done, the partners have it and the cards are being manufactured . . . expect a hard launch in 19 days with even better yields and availibility than r520.

Dude I'm talking about the G71...

well then so am i



everything i said about ati's card can be applied to nVidia's . . . they are gonna arrive - hard launched - within a week of each other.

my guess is that ATi's line will be more "complete".

 

[RobertR1]

If it's going to take nvidia a 32piple card with high clock speeds and expensive 1.1 mem to beat the R580 then I'd have to say there are some major inefficiencies with their architecture that they're trying to mask with pure horsepower.

I'll be curious to see the high res, max AA/AF settings in newer GPU limited games to see which one is better.

 

[BFG10K]

If the G71 does turn out to be this close to release I will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If it's going to take nvidia a 32piple card with high clock speeds and expensive 1.1 mem to beat the R580 then I'd have to say there are some major inefficiencies with their architecture that they're trying to mask with pure horsepower.

I'll be curious to see the high res, max AA/AF settings in newer GPU limited games to see which one is better.

It's just aswell that Samsung is making more of the 1.1ns GDDR now then. Should lower it's bulk price and increase availability to all parties.

ATI have been playing with higher clocks for the last 2 gens at least (X1x00 & Xx00) and as the G71 is a refresh competing against an entirely new chip i'd say higher clocks sound about right. ATI proved that 700MHz could be reached on Core easily using the 90nm process and nVidia are now going to use ATI's testing to it's advantage.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
So, will G71 support HDR+AA. I know the X1800 can at a performance decrease, but how will the G71 fair, will it will even support it?

Is it worth going from 7800GT's in SLI to G71?

G70 does, there is no reason why G71 wont.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If it's going to take nvidia a 32piple card with high clock speeds and expensive 1.1 mem to beat the R580 then I'd have to say there are some major inefficiencies with their architecture that they're trying to mask with pure horsepower.

I'll be curious to see the high res, max AA/AF settings in newer GPU limited games to see which one is better.

You could turn that around and say, "ATI didn't release the X1800XT until they could get high enough clocks and faster RAM to beat the much, much lower clocked 256 GTX and make up for the deficiencies of their re-tread 16 pipe design"

Your post is pointless and argumentative, the sort of thing the board needs less of, not more.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If it's going to take nvidia a 32piple card with high clock speeds and expensive 1.1 mem to beat the R580 then I'd have to say there are some major inefficiencies with their architecture that they're trying to mask with pure horsepower.

I'll be curious to see the high res, max AA/AF settings in newer GPU limited games to see which one is better.

You could turn that around and say, "ATI didn't release the X1800XT until they could get high enough clocks and faster RAM to beat the much, much lower clocked 256 GTX and make up for the deficiencies of their re-tread 16 pipe design"

Your post is pointless and argumentative, the sort of thing the board needs less of, not more.

I see nothing "pointless and argumentative" about his post. He was simply commenting that if rumored specs hold true, ATI will be countering the 32 pipeline G71 with a 16 pipeline R580. Nvidia keeps adding pixel pipelines to obtain higher performance levels while ATI is somehow managing to make do with 16.

 

[BenSkywalker]

He was simply commenting that if rumored specs hold true, ATI will be countering the 32 pipeline G71 with a 16 pipeline R580. Nvidia keeps adding pixel pipelines to obtain higher performance levels while ATI is somehow managing to make do with 16.

Part of the problem with this discussion is that the definition of pipelines has been hosed to he!l. The R600 varriant in the XB360 can be said to have either 8 or 48 pipelines- depends on how you look at it. From what I have been hearing ATi should be showing up with 48 simplified ALUs, comparable to the 24 "pipe" nV parts in terms of ops/clock(that is speaking on a purely theoretical basis).

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
Anyways, did everyone miss the part in the OP where it says Nv might paper launch the card before you can buy it? Can I expect the Nv trolls to continue their anti-paper launch campaign if that happens?

We missed it, because it didn't say that in the article?

If there are "NV Trolls" here, I'd say there are just as likely "ATI Munkys".

I wasnt refering to you, but now that you mention it, NV Trollos does sounds better.

 

[nitromullet]

So, when are R600 and G80 supposed to make their appearances? Are we looking at summer or late fall? If they are supposed to be here in summer, there really woudln't be any reason to pick up either G71 or R580. On the otherhand, If it's late fall it might be worthwhile.

 

[BenSkywalker]

So, when are R600 and G80 supposed to make their appearances?

When will Vista launch? You figure any of those questions out, you will have a good idea on all of them.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: RobertR1
If it's going to take nvidia a 32piple card with high clock speeds and expensive 1.1 mem to beat the R580 then I'd have to say there are some major inefficiencies with their architecture that they're trying to mask with pure horsepower.

I'll be curious to see the high res, max AA/AF settings in newer GPU limited games to see which one is better.

You could turn that around and say, "ATI didn't release the X1800XT until they could get high enough clocks and faster RAM to beat the much, much lower clocked 256 GTX and make up for the deficiencies of their re-tread 16 pipe design"

Your post is pointless and argumentative, the sort of thing the board needs less of, not more.

I see nothing "pointless and argumentative" about his post. He was simply commenting that if rumored specs hold true, ATI will be countering the 32 pipeline G71 with a 16 pipeline R580. Nvidia keeps adding pixel pipelines to obtain higher performance levels while ATI is somehow managing to make do with 16.

Yep. That's pretty much what I was saying. I think this will help determine if adding traditional pipelines is still the answer to newer games or not. The R580/G71 will basically let us know which methodolgy is truly better. As a consumer, I just want the fastest card but I am still curious as to how a 16pipeline card will be able to keep up with a 32pipeline card especially when in older games, pipelines really seemed to matter.

The 7800GTX 512 has much more bandwidth, faster RAM and 8 more pipes yet manages to lose to the x1800xt oc in newer games such as FEAR, COD2 and even somewhat older BF2. This is somewhat puzzling.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Dude you live in Michigan.

I don't see these cards costing $1,000CDN. Even if they list at $699US, that's maybe $900CDN tops.

IMO SLI is what's driving up the cost of the high-end cards. People are willing to pay $699 because it's less money than two X1800XT's. :thumbsdown:

Actually when the 512mb GTXs first came here they were over $1000 Cad. Right now they're just under $900.

 

[Munky]

I doubt a 16 "pipe" card with 48 pixel shaders at 700mhz will have much trouble keeping up with a 32 pipe card. What's more interesting is how will the 32 pipe card compensate for its fillrate disadvantage?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
I doubt a 16 "pipe" card with 48 pixel shaders at 700mhz will have much trouble keeping up with a 32 pipe card. What's more interesting is how will the 32 pipe card compensate for its fillrate disadvantage?

Why is that more interesting? You seem to be saying that a 32 pipe G71 will have no advantages over a 16 pipe "48 pixel shader" card. We don't even know if all 48 pixel shaders will even be used at all times. Depends on the developers I suppose, and TWIMTBP campaign may try and see to it that all of those 48 pixel shaders, are not always used. IMHO.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When will Vista launch?

Latest rumors indicate much earlier than predicted. I thought I saw somewhere late third quater ~ early fourth.

Now on topic. I hope G71/R580 blow away everything in existence. I want G80 to be one bad modda f..., cause that's when I'll bite.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

When will Vista launch?

Latest rumors indicate much earlier than predicted. I thought I saw somewhere late third quater ~ early fourth.

Microsoft launch something early? Has hell frozen over? Oh wait, I see a flying pig.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: wizboy11
So, will G71 support HDR+AA. I know the X1800 can at a performance decrease, but how will the G71 fair, will it will even support it?

Is it worth going from 7800GT's in SLI to G71?

G70 does, there is no reason why G71 wont.

the G70 does NOT support HDR+AA. its a hardware limitation.

 

[schtuga]

Actually when the 512mb GTXs first came here they were over $1000 Cad. Right now they're just under $900.[/quote]


Actually the priemier partners price for these at ncix when they came out was $790 Cdn.

I would still consider that a ransom note for a video card.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
I doubt a 16 "pipe" card with 48 pixel shaders at 700mhz will have much trouble keeping up with a 32 pipe card. What's more interesting is how will the 32 pipe card compensate for its fillrate disadvantage?

Why is that more interesting? You seem to be saying that a 32 pipe G71 will have no advantages over a 16 pipe "48 pixel shader" card. We don't even know if all 48 pixel shaders will even be used at all times. Depends on the developers I suppose, and TWIMTBP campaign may try and see to it that all of those 48 pixel shaders, are not always used. IMHO.

The game only has pixel shader code - how the code gets executed by the individual pixel shaders is determined by the driver and the hardware. I suppose Nv may try to convince the devs to use less shaders and more texture ops, but that would go against the trend in modern games, and I doubt the devs would agree to write Quake 4 using Quake3 code.

 

[fstime]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky
I doubt a 16 "pipe" card with 48 pixel shaders at 700mhz will have much trouble keeping up with a 32 pipe card. What's more interesting is how will the 32 pipe card compensate for its fillrate disadvantage?

Why is that more interesting? You seem to be saying that a 32 pipe G71 will have no advantages over a 16 pipe "48 pixel shader" card. We don't even know if all 48 pixel shaders will even be used at all times. Depends on the developers I suppose, and TWIMTBP campaign may try and see to it that all of those 48 pixel shaders, are not always used. IMHO.

LOL, so your saying Nvidia is going to convince game developers to make their games visually worse? Go Nvidia.

 

[Munky]

Although, if the devs were evil enough, they could code a separate, highly inefficient shader path for the r580 that would waste many clock cycles and cause the r580 performance to hit rock bottom, but in this age of shader compilers, app-specific optimizations, and shader replacement, that kind of coding will most likely not last long.