G80 Stuff

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Could we please stay on-topic? God, there's no use speculating until the cards actually come out. Then we'll talk about how similar it was to the NV30 or R300 launch.

you're really kidding . . . right?

look at the topic's title - "G80 Stuff"

it is VERY ON topic
-- for video

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Could we please stay on-topic? God, there's no use speculating until the cards actually come out. Then we'll talk about how similar it was to the NV30 or R300 launch.

you're really kidding . . . right?

look at the topic's title - "G80 Stuff"

it is VERY ON topic
-- for video

I'm just saying you can't figure it out if it will be a failure or not from a list of basic specs. :disgust:

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Could we please stay on-topic? God, there's no use speculating until the cards actually come out. Then we'll talk about how similar it was to the NV30 or R300 launch.

you're really kidding . . . right?

look at the topic's title - "G80 Stuff"

it is VERY ON topic
-- for video

I'm just saying you can't figure it out if it will be a failure or not from a list of basic specs. :disgust:

I don't know about that. I can look at the specs of an x1600 and know it is a failure. I think a better thing to say here is we won't know if it is a failure untill we have something to compare it to. So untill we get R600 specs or benches to go up against it then I am going to hold off speculating on it being a success or failure. One thing I can say from these specs is it looks like they are bringing out a different type of card then what we are used to seeing. Nothing untill the R600 will beable to really be compared to it because of how different it is.

 

[RichUK]

When they recommend a 450W PSU for the 8800GTX. How is this worked out, do they factor in other components, i.e. CPU, memory, motherboard, harddrives etc. Or do they pretty much mean that the graphics card requires 450W for itself, after the power requirements for the rest of your hardware? So in actually fact your going to need 700W+ capacity from the PSU.

These power requirements are getting silly now.

 

[Nightmare225]

Yes, it factors in the average gamer's system. Nvidia would be insane to have cards that pull down 450W at this stage.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
'bad as apoppin'?


he can take that as a serious complement

there is no one here as bad as Gstanfor
:shocked:



you will never understand.

IF i had a PCIe rig AND if the g80 meets expectations, i'd rip my AGP ATI piece of crap outta my rig and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution . . . i doubt i'd even bother to wait for r600 speculative previews.

why wait when you can have the fastest performing GPU?

and finally IF the r600 turned out to be everything and a bowl of cherries, i'd upgrade again.

i think everyone else 'gets it'. . . .and the 'why' of what i do.

Judging by your posts in this thread alone you are just as bad as Gstanfor but you are too blind to notice that. If you 2 spent more time talking about the topic there'd be much less flames going around Video.

Gstanfor = nvidiot (who cares)
appopin = fanatic (who cares)

Just grow up a bit and talk about the topic not bitching back and forth like little kids.

OT stuff below this...

I'm wondering if 8800GTS will maybe alow for SLI on a ~600W PSU. I certainly hope it does. If it can then i'd go for that over the GTX to give me more money to buy a decent LCD to replace my 22" CRT.

personally . . . looking at your posts . . . i don't think you should be 'judging' another member at all.

i thought the sli'd GTxes were supposed to require 800w . . .

edit: yep SLI mode will likely carry a power supply "recommendation" of 800W.

Comparing my posts to yours, you're a much bigger hipocrite than I am. I know that I don't always post in a "friendly holding hands with the fairies" manner but at least I don't spend half my posts having pillow fights online. Have you ever had your "." key fail? If not then I suspect it'd be the first to go on your keyboard at the rate you use it.

Also, 450W for GTX, 400W for GTS - 800W SLI. Since the GTS (which is what I was saying) has a lower requirment for a single card, perhaps it carries into SLI too. If it does it's probably only going to be 700-750W which is a little more wallet friendly.

If I end up going GTX i'd be spending £500 on each card, GTS probably £400. I don't particularly want to spend £200+ on a 1KW PSU if I can help it. I have 2x 580W (630W peak) 38A PSU's so at worst I can handle 1 GTX & 1 R600.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
'bad as apoppin'?


he can take that as a serious complement

there is no one here as bad as Gstanfor
:shocked:



you will never understand.

IF i had a PCIe rig AND if the g80 meets expectations, i'd rip my AGP ATI piece of crap outta my rig and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution . . . i doubt i'd even bother to wait for r600 speculative previews.

why wait when you can have the fastest performing GPU?

and finally IF the r600 turned out to be everything and a bowl of cherries, i'd upgrade again.

i think everyone else 'gets it'. . . .and the 'why' of what i do.

Judging by your posts in this thread alone you are just as bad as Gstanfor but you are too blind to notice that. If you 2 spent more time talking about the topic there'd be much less flames going around Video.

Gstanfor = nvidiot (who cares)
appopin = fanatic (who cares)

Just grow up a bit and talk about the topic not bitching back and forth like little kids.

OT stuff below this...

I'm wondering if 8800GTS will maybe alow for SLI on a ~600W PSU. I certainly hope it does. If it can then i'd go for that over the GTX to give me more money to buy a decent LCD to replace my 22" CRT.

personally . . . looking at your posts . . . i don't think you should be 'judging' another member at all.

i thought the sli'd GTxes were supposed to require 800w . . .

edit: yep SLI mode will likely carry a power supply "recommendation" of 800W.

Comparing my posts to yours, you're a much bigger hipocrite than I am. I know that I don't always post in a "friendly holding hands with the fairies" manner but at least I don't spend half my posts having pillow fights online. Have you ever had your "." key fail? If not then I suspect it'd be the first to go on your keyboard at the rate you use it.

Also, 450W for GTX, 400W for GTS - 800W SLI. Since the GTS (which is what I was saying) has a lower requirment for a single card, perhaps it carries into SLI too. If it does it's probably only going to be 700-750W which is a little more wallet friendly.

If I end up going GTX i'd be spending £500 on each card, GTS probably £400. I don't particularly want to spend £200+ on a 1KW PSU if I can help it. I have 2x 580W (630W peak) 38A PSU's so at worst I can handle 1 GTX & 1 R600.

i'm sorry but your posts are simply not comparable to mine

and it's nice to know you're a self-confessed hypocrite

and 'perhaps it does'. i provided a link - not speculation

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
'bad as apoppin'?


he can take that as a serious complement

there is no one here as bad as Gstanfor
:shocked:



you will never understand.

IF i had a PCIe rig AND if the g80 meets expectations, i'd rip my AGP ATI piece of crap outta my rig and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution . . . i doubt i'd even bother to wait for r600 speculative previews.

why wait when you can have the fastest performing GPU?

and finally IF the r600 turned out to be everything and a bowl of cherries, i'd upgrade again.

i think everyone else 'gets it'. . . .and the 'why' of what i do.

Judging by your posts in this thread alone you are just as bad as Gstanfor but you are too blind to notice that. If you 2 spent more time talking about the topic there'd be much less flames going around Video.

Gstanfor = nvidiot (who cares)
appopin = fanatic (who cares)

Just grow up a bit and talk about the topic not bitching back and forth like little kids.

OT stuff below this...

I'm wondering if 8800GTS will maybe alow for SLI on a ~600W PSU. I certainly hope it does. If it can then i'd go for that over the GTX to give me more money to buy a decent LCD to replace my 22" CRT.

personally . . . looking at your posts . . . i don't think you should be 'judging' another member at all.

i thought the sli'd GTxes were supposed to require 800w . . .

edit: yep SLI mode will likely carry a power supply "recommendation" of 800W.

Comparing my posts to yours, you're a much bigger hipocrite than I am. I know that I don't always post in a "friendly holding hands with the fairies" manner but at least I don't spend half my posts having pillow fights online. Have you ever had your "." key fail? If not then I suspect it'd be the first to go on your keyboard at the rate you use it.

Also, 450W for GTX, 400W for GTS - 800W SLI. Since the GTS (which is what I was saying) has a lower requirment for a single card, perhaps it carries into SLI too. If it does it's probably only going to be 700-750W which is a little more wallet friendly.

If I end up going GTX i'd be spending £500 on each card, GTS probably £400. I don't particularly want to spend £200+ on a 1KW PSU if I can help it. I have 2x 580W (630W peak) 38A PSU's so at worst I can handle 1 GTX & 1 R600.

i'm sorry but your posts are simply not comparable to mine

and it's nice to know you're a self-confessed hypocrite

and 'perhaps it does'. i provided a link - not speculation

Now that we've got that all cleared up, how about some On Topic discussion.

The power requirements indeed do not make sense from single card to SLI. If a single 450W PSU can run a whole system including 1 G80, why then is another 350W needed if going SLI?

When the AGP 6800GT was being announced, or slightly before during leaks, "they" said it would need no less than a 480W PSU. When in actuality a good 350W was suffice for many people in here. BFG actually offered a bundle that included a 480 PSU along with a 6800GT/Ultra OC. Remember that?

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: DeathReborn

Originally posted by: apoppin
'bad as apoppin'?


he can take that as a serious complement

there is no one here as bad as Gstanfor
:shocked:



you will never understand.

IF i had a PCIe rig AND if the g80 meets expectations, i'd rip my AGP ATI piece of crap outta my rig and replace it in a heartbeat with a nvidia solution . . . i doubt i'd even bother to wait for r600 speculative previews.

why wait when you can have the fastest performing GPU?

and finally IF the r600 turned out to be everything and a bowl of cherries, i'd upgrade again.

i think everyone else 'gets it'. . . .and the 'why' of what i do.

Judging by your posts in this thread alone you are just as bad as Gstanfor but you are too blind to notice that. If you 2 spent more time talking about the topic there'd be much less flames going around Video.

Gstanfor = nvidiot (who cares)
appopin = fanatic (who cares)

Just grow up a bit and talk about the topic not bitching back and forth like little kids.

OT stuff below this...

I'm wondering if 8800GTS will maybe alow for SLI on a ~600W PSU. I certainly hope it does. If it can then i'd go for that over the GTX to give me more money to buy a decent LCD to replace my 22" CRT.

personally . . . looking at your posts . . . i don't think you should be 'judging' another member at all.

i thought the sli'd GTxes were supposed to require 800w . . .

edit: yep SLI mode will likely carry a power supply "recommendation" of 800W.

Comparing my posts to yours, you're a much bigger hipocrite than I am. I know that I don't always post in a "friendly holding hands with the fairies" manner but at least I don't spend half my posts having pillow fights online. Have you ever had your "." key fail? If not then I suspect it'd be the first to go on your keyboard at the rate you use it.

Also, 450W for GTX, 400W for GTS - 800W SLI. Since the GTS (which is what I was saying) has a lower requirment for a single card, perhaps it carries into SLI too. If it does it's probably only going to be 700-750W which is a little more wallet friendly.

If I end up going GTX i'd be spending £500 on each card, GTS probably £400. I don't particularly want to spend £200+ on a 1KW PSU if I can help it. I have 2x 580W (630W peak) 38A PSU's so at worst I can handle 1 GTX & 1 R600.

i'm sorry but your posts are simply not comparable to mine

and it's nice to know you're a self-confessed hypocrite

and 'perhaps it does'. i provided a link - not speculation

Now that we've got that all cleared up, how about some On Topic discussion.

The power requirements indeed do not make sense from single card to SLI. If a single 450W PSU can run a whole system including 1 G80, why then is another 350W needed if going SLI?

When the AGP 6800GT was being announced, or slightly before during leaks, "they" said it would need no less than a 480W PSU. When in actuality a good 350W was suffice for many people in here. BFG actually offered a bundle that included a 480 PSU along with a 6800GT/Ultra OC. Remember that?

Well now that you took time to personally get them on topic. I think powersupply requirements will be mainly dependent on the quality of the power supply. PS companies seem to have taken lessons from vid card companies and have learned to exaggerate.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
LOL! History put nvidia in a bad light does it? I'll happily compare ATi & nvidia's histories anytime you like appopin.

Maybe you should stop ranting about ATI's sordid maketing ploys until NVIDIA has stopped having AEG and people like Rollo batting for them. Until then your indignation about ATI's dirty marketing sounds a tad hollow.

Since when has AEG done anything "sordid" (outside of Rollo's posts - and I'm not even sure you can blame AEG for that - he would have posted that way regardless - he has nvidia contacts other than AEG as well). Speaking of Rollo, when was the last time you heard boo out of him? You are just as bad as appopin, desperately digging the past up try to make it somehow seem relevant to the present.

1.) I don't see how you can distiguish between AEG and Rollo. If an employee of a company is a complete ass to me then I as a customer will view that company as an ass. Unless of course it is your favorite company, in which case you'll take anything they do and turn it into a march toward sainthood.

2.) Why not bring up the past? What?....has history never repeated itself? I am not meaning to bag on the G80 it looks amazing, but a person would be a bit foolish to totally forget history. That being said I do think we would need to wait untill G80 is out before we can compare it to any situation in the past. One thing we do know from past video card launches is they sometimes don't deliver on the hipe, and this happens from both camps. I'm mean think about it when has the INQ ever underestimated a card? Or any site for that matter?

With regard to point 1, its really very simple. ALL the AEg members have been active on forums around the internet for many years before AEG was dreamed up. Has their posting style changed radically since becoming AEG members? No, it hasn't. Rollo was still just as opinionated, brash etc before AEG came along as he was during his time in AEG. In other words, he would have done the things he did anyway.

Which leads us into point 2, history. There is nothing at all wrong with looking back upon past history -- so long as it is done in a fair manner. Something apoppin/pantamalion/deathreborn are incapable of. nvidia's history consists of far more than nv30 and AEG, just as ATi's history consists of more than R3xx.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

I just find it funny how you are always eager to point out ATI's sordid marketing but gloss over NVDIA's quite quickly. Rollo was retained by AEG and as part of that team, he embarked on some of the most obnoxious forum behavior here.

Acutally, Rollo forced his way into AEG, despite AEG and the other members not wanting him there thorugh his pre-existing nvidia contacts.

His forum behaviour was obnoxious prior to this and didn't change while he "worked" for AEG.

 

[apoppin]

"fair"?

you should wash your keyboard for hypocritically even daring to type that
:Q

You Gstanfor are identical to Rollo . . . you are neither fair nor balanced.

You are 100% nvidia

======================

and you constantly defend nvidia/AEG guerilla marketing - without disclosure

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

I just find it funny how you are always eager to point out ATI's sordid marketing but gloss over NVDIA's quite quickly. Rollo was retained by AEG and as part of that team, he embarked on some of the most obnoxious forum behavior here.

Acutally, Rollo forced his way into AEG, despite AEG and the other members not wanting him there thorugh his pre-existing nvidia contacts.

His forum behaviour was obnoxious prior to this and didn't change while he "worked" for AEG.

"forced"
:Q

you see to know quite a lot about the inner workings of AEG

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Could we please stay on-topic? God, there's no use speculating until the cards actually come out. Then we'll talk about how similar it was to the NV30 or R300 launch.

you're really kidding . . . right?

look at the topic's title - "G80 Stuff"

it is VERY ON topic
-- for video

I'm just saying you can't figure it out if it will be a failure or not from a list of basic specs. :disgust:

I don't know about that. I can look at the specs of an x1600 and know it is a failure. I think a better thing to say here is we won't know if it is a failure untill we have something to compare it to. So untill we get R600 specs or benches to go up against it then I am going to hold off speculating on it being a success or failure. One thing I can say from these specs is it looks like they are bringing out a different type of card then what we are used to seeing. Nothing untill the R600 will beable to really be compared to it because of how different it is.

IMO the G80 will end up being seen by many as similar to the GeForce256 (compared to GF2).

Certian people here and on other forums will make much of the price of the card and its complexity, and once the refresh is released later on point how the 90nm process and GDDR3 was "obviously" such a mistake in hindsight, blindly ignoring the biggest advantage G80 has/had (just like NV10) - time to market with no credible competition in sight.

Personally, I'm *probably* going to wait for G80's refresh before purchasing, but that's what I normally do anyway, I've only ever bought a non refresh card 3 times in the past - NV5, NV10, NV40. We'll see if G80 is good enough to get me to do so again.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: apoppin
"fair"?

you should wash your keyboard for hypocritically even daring to type that
:Q

You Gstanfor are identical to Rollo . . . you are neither fair nor balanced.

You are 100% nvidia

======================

and you constantly defend nvidia/AEG guerilla marketing - without disclosure

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: Pantalaimon

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

I just find it funny how you are always eager to point out ATI's sordid marketing but gloss over NVDIA's quite quickly. Rollo was retained by AEG and as part of that team, he embarked on some of the most obnoxious forum behavior here.

Acutally, Rollo forced his way into AEG, despite AEG and the other members not wanting him there thorugh his pre-existing nvidia contacts.

His forum behaviour was obnoxious prior to this and didn't change while he "worked" for AEG.

"forced"
:Q

you see to know quite a lot about the inner workings of AEG

It's all publically availiable information - but then again, you keep yourself far more informed than I do, don't you apoppin?

 

[ebeattie]

I like lamp.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Acutally, Rollo forced his way into AEG, despite AEG and the other members not wanting him there thorugh his pre-existing nvidia contacts.

His forum behaviour was obnoxious prior to this and didn't change while he "worked" for AEG.

You see, the problem is that details like that don't matter. He was in the AEG, he was a rep for Nvidia, and he lied through his teeth here for years. You and a handful of others keep talking up Nvidia in every thread you post in, making up countless excuses for the AEG and everything else -- it just gets tiring.

Your post is basically saying the AEG's behaviour is acceptable, it's all Rollo's fault. Can you please scapegoat a little more? How about blaming NV30 on Rollo?

Nvidia is not some magically benificent company; they're a ruthless business and they want to make money just like ATI does.

Originally posted by: ebeattie
I like lamp.

Do you really like lamp, or are you just saying that Brick?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

It's all publically availiable information

Who would actively search for this kind of information? Also, of course the AEG is going to try to cover their @sses by paiting Rollo out to be the scapegoat. You see how the alternative (AEG actively searches for 'pushers' like Rollo) isn't so attractive for them?

- but then again, you keep yourself far more informed than I do, don't you apoppin?

Pot meet kettle. I don't even think Apoppin is a mole for ATI. If I was Vegas, I'd say 3:1 odds that you're an Nvidia mole, and maybe 8:1 odds for Apoppin the other way.

Btw, the house is betting even on Crusader being either a Green crusader, or recently released from a place with padded walls.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You should be flattered Ackmed. I really don't address Crusader's posts because they are usually flat out cheerleading. You on the other hand try to be as subtle as possible and stay under the radar with the "little digs". I like to single those guys out. You're one of them. And at least crusader has some sort of personality. You on the other hand, are a bit more robotic if you don't mind me saying so.

You see, a true enthusiast would only have to look at the 8800GTS (not GTX) and be amazed at it's specs. With an emoticon something along the lines of this: :Q

Funny that gastanfor agrees with me, and he hardly ever does. I buy and use far more PC hardware than you do. Trying to claim that Im not an enthusaist because I said this info is interesting, is just silly. I could say that you are not, because of the very little hardware you own and use comapred to me.

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I'm failing to see why people are so amazed by 128bit HDR & 16x AA. The first is just an upgrade of a feature - very typical nvidia behaviour. Bear in mind also that the ILM HDR format is primarily a storage format and developers are unlikely to use it verbatim in games for that reason (to much data that isn't useful for the frame you are redering).

The 16x AA is already available to anyone smart enough to seek it out, it will just be "standard" on g80. I'd caution against expecting to it to perform at 4xMSAA levels also, expect a performance cost roughly equivelant to what 8xS currently has.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003l you have to say is, "Interesting". Leaves you WIDE open. It's more than interesting to an enthusiast. It is pretty big news. You need to know that I am fully aware that until we see it in action, we should reserve judgement. But I really do know for certain, if this had been R600 specs being discussed here and all potential features, you would be on your soapbox. You know it, I know it, and everybody here knows it. You're the only one who will never admit it. But who needs you to admit it anyway. We know.

You are incorrect. I posted in response the exact same way when the rumors of the R580 being 32 actual pipes, and all the other rumors. I have no been "amazed" or posted as such in any R600 thread. I said Ill wait for real reviews, and didnt get excited at all. I posted in the same manner for ATi, than I am now for NV. I dont get excited about hardware until I see real reviews. Feel free to fact check before posting.

The simple fact is, if I had posted what he did, you would quote me, and respond in much the same way as you already did, but much worse. But since hes an NV fan, you dont do anything. Calling my post bias for saying that this info is "interesting", and not calling out crusader, its being hyporticial. Thats the bottom line.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

what? i didnt quote you. you refrained from bashing nvidia in this thread, great. do you want a cookie?

Didnt quote me? Then what do you call this?

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Interesting if true.

Will be funny to see some people claim the power req's dont matter when and if this card does use as much as they claim it will. As it is now, thats one of the keys NV fans harp on, the low power req's of current cards. To me, it wont matter, just as it doesnt now.

Interesting if true? How about amazing if true! C'mon Ackmed. Bite your lip and say something good about the idea of nvidia's forthcoming G80's. Your bias is growing on a daily basis, it would seem. You had to, or were just compulsed to throw in a dig.

I have to admit, he does seem very biased towards the green team. And, if the now small number of 64 shaders on the R600 turn out to be true, I wouldn't blame him.

ackmed biased to the green team? shens

As you can see, you did quote me. And as you can see, you too called me bias, and didnt post anything about crusaders post whatsoever. As I told kens, you're being hypocritial. But I guess its ok since its an NV fan.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

It's all publically availiable information

Who would actively search for this kind of information? Also, of course the AEG is going to try to cover their @sses by paiting Rollo out to be the scapegoat. You see how the alternative (AEG actively searches for 'pushers' like Rollo) isn't so attractive for them?

- but then again, you keep yourself far more informed than I do, don't you apoppin?

Pot meet kettle. I don't even think Apoppin is a mole for ATI. If I was Vegas, I'd say 3:1 odds that you're an Nvidia mole, and maybe 8:1 odds for Apoppin the other way.

Btw, the house is betting even on Crusader being either a Green crusader, or recently released from a place with padded walls.

You are dead wrong (just like everyone else) about my being a nvidia mole. I'm just an enthusiast who likes and uses their hardware.

The only reason you see so many "so-called" pro-nvidia posts from me here is because I'm always responding to fanATic ant-nvidia propoganda. That's the one thing certain people here conveniently miss - the trouble is nearly always started by the fanatics- the nvidia supporters just mop the mess up.

Rgarding the AEG stuff, as I've said all you have to do is compare the posting histories of the AEG membership before and after they joined AEG. Also Rollo was the only trouble-maker out of all of them. That's fact. If you can prove otherwise please do so (you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breath awaiting your response).

 

[Ackmed]

I will agree and say that Chris Ray is a very good poster. While he leans towards NV, hes fair, just, and speaks the truth. He knows his stuff very well. He didnt used to be this way, around the time he got into AEG, he straightened up very well. While I still dislike anyone taking hardware for a certain way of posting, its hard to complain about him.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Nvidia is not some magically benificent company; they're a ruthless business and they want to make money just like ATI does.

QFT. Which highlights just how stupid the whole "green" and "red" team nonsense around here really is.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Didnt quote me? Then what do you call this?

i didnt directly quote you, i quoted the guy who said you were biased to the green team. he had one of your posts in his posts

As you can see, you did quote me. And as you can see, you too called me bias, and didnt post anything about crusaders post whatsoever. As I told kens, you're being hypocritial. But I guess its ok since its an NV fan.

call crusader biased to the red team and ill post the same thing. i dont see why you need me to call crusader biased.. but to make you happy

crusader is a nvidia fanatic

 

[Gstanfor]

Chrisray was never bent ackmed. If anything Chalnoth's posting style has matured somewhat (not lessened any bias he may or may not have) since joining AEG.

Pabster, there are degrees of ruthlesness and that's what I'm constantly pointing out here. nvidia learned the PR lessons very well with nv3x and the company is much better for it. ATi has yet to learn that lesson.

I often wonder if Crusader is a reincarnation of Rollo, watered down, personally, but I've no prooof that he is or isn't. He's probably a little over the top for my tastes (just like Rollo was).

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
You are dead wrong (just like everyone else) about my being a nvidia mole. I'm just an enthusiast who likes and uses their hardware.

And sells it:

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
And once again I have NO connection to nvidia whatsoever other than owning their cards myself and selling other people their cards as do millions of other retailers.

I'm not saying you're AEG, and I'm not saying you only sell Nvidia products, but from the way that you post I wouldn't be surprised. (You just seem like the type of person that would do that, that's all)

Don't you think that if everyone is comparing you to a banned member that goes by the nickname "Trollo" that that would be an indication to maybe alter a certain posting style or, better yet, point of view?

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
...the trouble is nearly always started by the fanatics- the nvidia supporters just mop the mess up.

:laugh:

Yeah, those Nvidia supporters cleaned Rollo up real good didn't th.......oh...wait a sec......

The point is, the bulk of your posts are in the context of:

[*] ATI's PR team sucks.

(If you ask me they all do but this is a market and companies have to compete in every way they can)

[*] AEG isn't bad even though they gave a high-end hardware to someone who just trolled on forums.

(I could care less if they are a focus group that is there for enthusiasts, but the fact that they actually rewarded someone for banning other members who were questioning the truth and starting flame wars with high-end Nvidia graphic cards just goes to show what they support)

[*] Nvidia will never have to make another DX10 card because as long as it meats the DX10 specifications, it will do fine.

[*] I'm an angel that clears up the forums from the evil Red flames that sATIn tries to start and leaves a trace of my own Green herbs of healing.

Even those who prefer Nvidia over ATI have noted your irrational bias.

But hey, you'll probably attempt to give me a history lesson, Nvidia corporate analysis, or another "appopin started it" routine.

I know you probably won't like reading this post, but it is just my pure honest opinion that I'm sure others will somewhat agree--or perhaps disagree--with. You are capable of making sense when you attempt to step back and look at the whole picture though:

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I often wonder if Crusader is a reincarnation of Rollo, watered down, personally, but I've no prooof that he is or isn't. He's probably a little over the top for my tastes (just like Rollo was).

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
As you can see, you did quote me. And as you can see, you too called me bias...

You have called yourself biased.

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I am biased. I have said many times that I am.

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I buy and use far more PC hardware than you do...I could say that you are not, because of the very little hardware you own and use comapred to me.

What does that have to do with anything? I would trust what xtknight says about certain monitors and I bet he hasn't owned half of the things that he gives advice for.

Originally posted by: keysplayer2003
You on the other hand try to be as subtle as possible and stay under the radar with the "little digs". I like to single those guys out. You're one of them. And at least crusader has some sort of personality. You on the other hand, are a bit more robotic if you don't mind me saying so.

While I understand what you're saying, I don't think Ackmed was wrong for saying that it just seems "interesting" for right now. I agree that nothing is really "amazing" until we see some results, benches, scores, and actual prices.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Come on guys. Stick to G80 stuff. This AEG, bias etc stuff is WAY off topic.