G92 launch this month!

[non duality]

Crysis.....for Ati?!!!

 

[Bateluer]

Hopefully we'll see some decent DX10 midrange cards out soon then.

 

[MarcVenice]

I don't quite get it, the 8800gt WILL be slower then the 8800gts, right? And the 2900pro is allready as fast or faster then the 8800gts 320mb, right? So what is the 2950pro going to be? Something between 2900pro and 2900xt?

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
And the 2900pro is allready as fast or faster then the 8800gts 320mb, right?

No, not right. 8800GTS 320 MB and 640MB editions outperforms the 2900 pro and XT models despite the pro and xt having a larger memory bandwidth and more shader operations(which could change what the 8800GTS 320 revision comes out)

To give an idea here's THG charts 8800GTS vs 2900xt
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...7&model2=707&chart=318

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
And the 2900pro is allready as fast or faster then the 8800gts 320mb, right?

No, not right. 8800GTS 320 MB and 640MB editions outperforms the 2900 pro and XT models despite the pro and xt having a larger memory bandwidth and more shader operations(which could change what the 8800GTS 320 revision comes out)

To give an idea here's THG charts 8800GTS vs 2900xt
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...7&model2=707&chart=318

I find this review to be quite a bit better than a chart at Tom's.

HIS Radeon HD 2900 PRO 512MB Early Test

 

[MarcVenice]

Indeed, I saw the same review of the 2900pro vs the 8800gts 320mb, and it seems to outperform or at least be on equal footing with the 8800gts 320mb. The 2900xt has been outperforming the 8800gts 640mb as well in several games. It get's better and better with new driver releases from ATI. I'm no fanboy of either though, I'd just like to know what to tell people to buy depending on their need/budget. And I'd like to know what to buy myself

 

[MarcVenice]

Bleh, I got an error so I reposted, but now I doubleposted, excuse me.

 

[praesto]

By no means does a 800gts 320mb match a 2900pro. At least not if you apply higher resolutions. 512mb wins.

The real question is: Will the 2950pro be able to beat a 2900pro, the 2900pros overclockability taken into consideration? If not, then for gods sake, swarm the 2900pro on stocks!

 

[alcoholbob]

The problem with the G92 launch is that Nvidia is basically pawning off year-old hardware as new products (read: time for some jacked up street prices since it's a new product).

And while the pricing is "relatively" nice, it's basically a $200 investment for half a year before DX10 games become entirely unplayable. At that point it basically becomes a paper weight.

The real question for us with old school DX9 cards (i.e, the guys with 7800 series cards or equivalent ATI) is, is it worth it to spend, assuming street prices and not launch prices, ~$230 (256mb) - ~$275 (512mb) come November for such a card just to make DX10 games "somewhat playable" for a few months while we wait for something that can actually handle the games that are available at launch? Hard to say.

I'm tempted but at the same time I'm not so tempted to spend $200 (I spent $220 on my 7800GT almost 2 years ago) for a 6 month rental.

 

[kknd1967]

it is interesting how one can make such conclusion, with the fact being Like THIS and This

yeah, 320M suffers at high res. Yet there is a question what game and how high. Don't forget new drivers fixed at least a few problems associated with 320M version at some "mid-high" resolutions.

I know all in a sudden, AA is argued by some to be useless, since 2900XT's launch maybe?

Originally posted by: praesto
By no means does a 800gts 320mb match a 2900pro. At least not if you apply higher resolutions. 512mb wins.

The real question is: Will the 2950pro be able to beat a 2900pro, the 2900pros overclockability taken into consideration? If not, then for gods sake, swarm the 2900pro on stocks!

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
And the 2900pro is allready as fast or faster then the 8800gts 320mb, right?

No, not right. 8800GTS 320 MB and 640MB editions outperforms the 2900 pro and XT models despite the pro and xt having a larger memory bandwidth and more shader operations(which could change what the 8800GTS 320 revision comes out)

To give an idea here's THG charts 8800GTS vs 2900xt
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...7&model2=707&chart=318

I find this review to be quite a bit better than a chart at Tom's.

HIS Radeon HD 2900 PRO 512MB Early Test

If only I heard of "Palit" as a brand.
I think this review is better than the one you linked.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/review/463/1

Sure it proves me somewhat wrong, Indeed the 2900 Pro is faster in some games/benchmarks than the 8800GTS 320 MB edition. However in my opinion it can go either way but I still believe the 8800GTS 640Mb edition is faster than both however.

 

[Avalon]

I'm personally waiting for the 2950Pro. Should be nearly the same performance as a 2900XT/8800GTS640, which should give it a notable edge over the 8800GT. There's always the problem of it getting delayed, though.

On the positive side, it's good to see Nvidia is finally filling up the $200-$299 gap, although if you look hard enough, you can get an 8800GTS 320MB for $250AR every once in a while.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
And the 2900pro is allready as fast or faster then the 8800gts 320mb, right?

No, not right. 8800GTS 320 MB and 640MB editions outperforms the 2900 pro and XT models despite the pro and xt having a larger memory bandwidth and more shader operations(which could change what the 8800GTS 320 revision comes out)

To give an idea here's THG charts 8800GTS vs 2900xt
http://www23.tomshardware.com/...7&model2=707&chart=318

I find this review to be quite a bit better than a chart at Tom's.

HIS Radeon HD 2900 PRO 512MB Early Test

I agree. Tom's site is the pits. Especially after selling their company off. It's more commercial than anything.

Best way to make sure is not goto 1 source but look at variety of source to see what the real conclusion is for yourself.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: kknd1967
it is interesting how one can make such conclusion, with the fact being Like THIS and This

yeah, 320M suffers at high res. Yet there is a question what game and how high. Don't forget new drivers fixed at least a few problems associated with 320M version at some "mid-high" resolutions.

I know all in a sudden, AA is argued by some to be useless, since 2900XT's launch maybe?

Originally posted by: praesto
By no means does a 800gts 320mb match a 2900pro. At least not if you apply higher resolutions. 512mb wins.

The real question is: Will the 2950pro be able to beat a 2900pro, the 2900pros overclockability taken into consideration? If not, then for gods sake, swarm the 2900pro on stocks!

So 2+ year old which you can play on both cards currently with smooth frame rates is going to sway you? I for one see games like bioshock, crysis and the upcoming COD4 to sway me. Not to mention all the recently released games in each genre.

Fact is you are shooting yourself in the foot if you buy anything less than 512 meg card for current games especially if you want to add AA.

 

[AzN]

These midrange cards are good for the budget conscious like myself even though it's not the best. Bringing the price down to $200 mark is a good thing.

 

[CrystalBay]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Yes they are^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Skott]

The way I look at it is that a person needs a 8800GTS 640 or better. Anything less is just gonna be a letdown. So at least a 8800GTS 640 to play it safe. The downside is not everyone can afford the price. Hopefully ATI can release something spectacular soon to help force nVidia's prices down. I dont see anything on the horizon though unfortunately. :frown:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Skott
The way I look at it is that a person needs a 8800GTS 640 or better. Anything less is just gonna be a letdown. So at least a 8800GTS 640 to play it safe. The downside is not everyone can afford the price. Hopefully ATI can release something spectacular soon to help force nVidia's prices down. I dont see anything on the horizon though unfortunately. :frown:

the 320 GTS isn't that far behind the 640MB performance-wise ... and the 2900pro might sit in-between the 320 and the 640

evidently the 2950p will replace the 2900p with similar [or better!?!] performance ... so that IS "something"

a step in the right direction ... but IF you need something NOW .... that is relatively "budget" ... the 2900p/320GTS fill that role

or you can wait ... and wait .. and maybe wait some more

 

[kknd1967]

Things get more and more messy. This link says the new 8800GTS will also be based on G92, which means all the current 8800GTS will be phased out. Make sense though.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: kknd1967
Things get more and more messy. This link says the new 8800GTS will also be based on G92, which means all the current 8800GTS will be phased out. Make sense though.

If this is true, then why in the hell don't they just name it "8850GTS" or "8900GTS"?

 

[ayabe]

I want to see two RV670's in CF, if they can get the price down to ~$200-220 and it whips the snot out of a GTX, this is what I am getting.

 

[DSF]

Originally posted by: kknd1967
Things get more and more messy. This link says the new 8800GTS will also be based on G92, which means all the current 8800GTS will be phased out. Make sense though.

The information in there doesn't jive with the other information we have.

Other sources are reporting the new GTS as having 640MB RAM and 112 stream processors. Your link shows 512MB RAM and 128 stream processors. Also I believe they're saying it's still on the old process, not 65nm.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but the information is in conflict with other things we've seen.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: DSF

Originally posted by: kknd1967
Things get more and more messy. This link says the new 8800GTS will also be based on G92, which means all the current 8800GTS will be phased out. Make sense though.

The information in there doesn't jive with the other information we have.

Other sources are reporting the new GTS as having 640MB RAM and 112 stream processors. Your link shows 512MB RAM and 128 stream processors. Also I believe they're saying it's still on the old process, not 65nm.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but the information is in conflict with other things we've seen.

But according to Dailytech today the 8800GT will have 112 stream processors. It would be pointless to have a GTS at 90nm and also 112 stream processors. They would just discontinue it. But if that link is correct it seems there won't be much need for the GTX anymore if they both have 128 SP's, unless someone really wants the extra memory. I hope it is correct though as a 65nm GTS would likely be clocked higher as well, and for $350 would be a good deal.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9180

 

[aiya24]

here's what i think will happen:

G92 w/128SPs will replace current GTX/Ultra
G92 w/112Sps will replace current GTS320/640

this plan is just like G70 to G71 (7800 to 7900). 7800GT only had 20pixel shaders while the 7800GTX had 24, then 7900GT got 24 but was limited to pcb design/voltage and 7900GTX just had higher clocks. eventually nvidia released 20pixel shader 7900GS = 7800GT. so that means nvidia will eventually release a G92 based GS with the same performance as G80 GTS.

just my thoughts.

 

[SniperDaws]

I now wish id of bought the 8800GTS 320mb version back when they were 1st released but everyone said dont bother with up and coming games the 320mb wont cut it, well its still cutting it now after 2 fricking years, congrats to all you 320mb owners who have had the best deal with a graphics card for years........im peeved although my OC'ed Quad is really helping me out when playing World in Conflict at 1680x1050 at medium settings.