[gamegpu] Dragon Age Inquisition performance

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bystander36

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Yea, like I said, it does eventually go away. Edit: I was seeing it pretty much every time I transition to a new area (fast travel). I first noticed it yesterday when they were having server problems as well, but I dont see how that would cause this effect. In response to the other poster who responded, I have only a HD7770, so 1gb of vram. I have 8 gb of system ram, and the game uses more than most I have seen, but only up to maybe 60% ram usage, so I dont think I am running out of system ram, vram could be a problem though for sure. All in all, I expected Frostbyte to be more optimized, but I guess it is better than most of the ubisoft recent releases. I also cant get mantle to work with my card. The options screen says only DX11 is available. Dont think I downloaded the latest beta drivers though.

I have an OC'ed i7 920 with 6Gb of system ram, and 680 SLI with 2Gb of VRAM. I've had what you experience 2 or 3 times so far, up to level 14.

Are you using Mantle or DX11? I wonder if one has a bigger issue or not. It may also just be a memory leak on the GPU side.
 
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I have an OC'ed i7 920 with 6Gb of system ram, and 680 SLI with 2Gb of VRAM. I've had what you experience 2 or 3 times so far, up to level 14.

Are you using Mantle or DX11? I wonder if one has a bigger issue or not. It may also just be a memory leak on the GPU side.

Mantle if greyed out, says I have to run DX11.
 

Bateluer

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Is this driver stable? I am reluctant to use beta drivers.

Its been stable for me. I only use Beta drivers when specifically required to, and it does increase performance a bit under DAI. Mantle, with my i5 4670, actually downgrades performance though. Depends what CPU you have, I think, whether you'll see any benefit from Mantle.
 

escrow4

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Mantle is a CPU crutch. If you are lucky enough to have FX use it. For a modern i5/i7 you don't need it.
 
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Its been stable for me. I only use Beta drivers when specifically required to, and it does increase performance a bit under DAI. Mantle, with my i5 4670, actually downgrades performance though. Depends what CPU you have, I think, whether you'll see any benefit from Mantle.

I just tried it. Seems to decrease the cpu usage a bit in the game, but is really buggy. Sometimes game wont load, sometimes wont close out and I have to do it manyally with taskmaster.
 

Magic Carpet

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Amazing value from 290/290x. Had they consumed less power, I could recommend them to anybody.
 

bryanW1995

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Have you got it installed on a HDD? I've got mine hard linked to my SSD so loading times are soo much quicker. Don't think I could bear playing it on a HDD. That would at least explain the black screens.

Ha, I finally gave up on hdd's completely with my last rig. If it doesn't fit on my 2x256gb m4's in RAID 0 then that means it's time for more ssd's.

I still remember reading all those years ago when Anand wrote that an hdd rig feels broken after you use an ssd for too long. That's so true for me that I took my x25m g2 to work last year, I was tired of the interminable wait engendered by hdd usage.

No surprises really as that's been the case for 2+ years now.

3+ months old themes continue:

- Kepler performance is falling off (280X/7970Ghz > 680/770, 290/290X > 780 and 780Ti is barely up there with a 290X). Considering how expensive 770/780/780Ti were vs. 280X/290/290X, this underlines how paying extra for those NV cards ended up providing no tangible performance in modern games coming out now. That's why I keep advocating buying a card with 80-85% of the top-end and just upgrading more often as the extra 15-20% performance at the top amounts to little in 1-2 years.

- 980 continues to perform at the top but given its $550 price vs. $300 for 290X and $250 for an after-market 290, the performance advantage is honestly very underwhelming (the only bright spot is the low power usage of the 980). 980 is one of the most overpriced NV cards in years on the price/performance metric, far worse than 480 was vs. 5870, 580 was vs. 6970 or 780Ti was vs. 290X. 780Ti was 7-15% faster for $150 more, but 980 is $250 more for 20% more and with some after-market 980's priced at $580-600, you are asked to pay nearly double for 20% more performance. 980 SLI performance in multi-monitor and 4K is also not convincingly better for nearly double the price. D: If 980 was an AMD card, it would be reaped apart to shreds. Reminds me of all those "7970 undelivered threads" 3 years ago but 7970 vs. 580 really puts 980 in a very bad light against the 290X, minus the same backlash of course....figures.

- 980's lead over 970 is very consistent in the latest games, suggesting 970 is clearly TMU and/or shader performance bottlenecked (both of those are cut by 20% from the 980).

It's really shocking to see that in the last 3 months Kepler performance took a major dive, probably because the driver team is now focused on optimizing for GM204 but given how few people out of the overall market own GM204 vs 2+ year old Kepler cards, this seems short-sighted on NV's part to stop focusing on Kepler this early. There is no way we should have a 780TI performing similar to 290X but that's exactly what's happening. Not only that but 780TI is having trouble outperforming the 970 and 780 is often barely keeping up or beating a 280X/7970Ghz.

Overall we have 280X/290/290X performing very well vs. NV's MUCH more expensive cards in 9 big games this quarter: DAI, CIV BE, FC4, The Evil Within, COD : AW, Vanishing of Ethan Carter, Alien Isolation, Ryse Son of Rome and Shadow of Mordor. The only notable stand-outs for NV are Lords of the Fallen and Unity.

It's possible the rumours of Fiji 380X competing with 980 and Bermuda XT R9 390/390X going against GM200 parts might be true because 980's lead over 290X in newer games is decreasing.

This is ironic, as it seemed to me that in years past NV had the superior driver support. And AMD used to have the perf/watt advantage, too...how times change.
 
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Lepton87

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Do you guys think that NV will improve the performance in this game in a new patch? I think NV's whole line-up performs poorly in this game, 980 is on par with the 290X in some tests and in other it's performance advantage is in the single digit range so to it seems those cards are for all intents and purposes matched in this game. Some people say that Kepler does under-perform than other NV's cards but it doesn't seem so to me.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/images/perfrel_2560.gif

The relative performance between kepler cards and maxwell cards hardly changes. They perform similarly in relation to each other. I don't see anything that would stand out.
980 is on par with 290X, 12% faster than 780ti, 23% faster than 780 and 76% faster than 680, while 780 is 43% faster then 680 at 2560. While on TPU over tests the results are as fallows 980 5% faster than 780Ti, 29% faster than 780, 51% faster than 770. It seems that GK104 fares comparatively the worse while GK110 is slower than Maxwell than on average but the margin isn't all that great. 290X matches 980
 

Red Hawk

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Nice to see these performance numbers; aside from the cutscene hitching glitch, the game seems much more optimized and detailed than Dragon Age 2 was. The graphics card in my sig busted back in May when I was in a car accident on my way back from school (miraculously, the mobo, memory, and CPU survived) and I've been making do with my old 5770. This game's finally going to force me to upgrade back, good thing Black Friday's right around the corner. The R9-270X seems like a good choice.
 

alcoholbob

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Gaming on an Acer B326HK I got for $699 on newegg during Black Friday.

With Fade Touched Textures, Ultra all settings, Post Processing AA off, AA Off, and just regular SSAO I'm getting 38-45 fps on average at 3840x2160. This is on a GTX 980 @ 1442MHz. This is pretty much the same kind of performance you get on BF4.

I imagine if you have a GTX 980 that can run up to 1.6GHz you could hit 45-50 fps average.
 

skipsneeky2

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Those 720p numbers on the cpu test wow, i game at 768p and if a 980 is barely pulling 82fps with a i7 2600k which is nearly as fast as my 3770 then i fear what my 770 is gonna be doing.

Are they using some major form of AA that is tanking frame rates?
 

Kallogan

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i game on a 750M at 768p which was pretty fine till that last batch of games : ACU, FC4 and DA:I

Now it hurts.
 
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i game on a 750M at 768p which was pretty fine till that last batch of games : ACU, FC4 and DA:I

Now it hurts.

I was pretty satisfied with the lowly HD 7770 in my desktop also, but I am feeling its weakness in DA:I. I think a big part of it is the lack of vram. Honestly, the graphics are very good, but certainly don't seem exceptional for the performance demands. I thought Frostbyte would scale better with lower end hardware. Certainly those who were crying for games to demand d better hardware are being answered. Whether the game play and graphics are proportionately improved however seems highly debatable. And mantle gives no improvement at all in my system.

That said, I do like the game a lot, just disappointed in the performance a bit.
 

bystander36

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Those 720p numbers on the cpu test wow, i game at 768p and if a 980 is barely pulling 82fps with a i7 2600k which is nearly as fast as my 3770 then i fear what my 770 is gonna be doing.

Are they using some major form of AA that is tanking frame rates?

I don't think you understand the point of that test. That test is not to see what your GPU can do. That test is not about the 980. They drop the resolution so that the GPU is not under load, and the CPU is the limiting factor. You likely won't see a bit of difference at 768p and the 770 may do the exact same, though it is hard to say, as it wasn't tested on a 770 at that res.
 

skipsneeky2

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I don't think you understand the point of that test. That test is not to see what your GPU can do. That test is not about the 980. They drop the resolution so that the GPU is not under load, and the CPU is the limiting factor. You likely won't see a bit of difference at 768p and the 770 may do the exact same, though it is hard to say, as it wasn't tested on a 770 at that res.

Was looking at what the 2600k was doing min/max fps wise,looking at what the 980 did at 1080p and suddenly at 720p. The 980 is bottlenecked by a 2600k after only 28fps additional frames are gained in the minimum department at 720p.

Safe to assume a 770 could deliver a additional 28fps at 720p as well at least?If so i could be sitting in the ballpark of 59 minimum give or take a few frames.

Pretty much hate the reviews pretty much locking out 720/900/1050p numbers,only a up to date gpu review may include some numbers for slower gpus with this title as they cater most times to lower resolutions.

Guess every gtx750 ti owner mind as well buckle in while your useful reviews tell you a average of 22fps is all your getting buddy at 1080p......they will be dropping their resolution and well for the moment who knows their fps right?
 

bystander36

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Yeah, it is hard to know what you'll get with resolutions below 1080p. They don't test those res's anymore.
 
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