[gamegpu] Far Cry 4 performance

[raghu78]

And then, according to you, if AMD cards do well in a TWIMPBT title, it is because Nvidia is "holding back performance to sell more Maxwell cards".

I know you like to think you're so much better than him, but you're not. Your logic is just as bad.

sorry if an AMD card (R9 290X) beats a higher performance card (GTX 780 Ti) in a Nvidia TWIMTBP title while the slightly slower Maxwell card GTX 970 ( i mean slower vs GTX 780 Ti) also beats GTX 780 Ti then I will question Nvidia's tactics.

Care to speculate rather than this meta commentary?

well said.

 

[96Firebird]

Care to speculate rather than this meta commentary?

I don't speculate about things I have no idea about.

I wish others here would follow that rule.

 

[monstercameron]

I don't speculate about things I have no idea about.

I wish others here would follow that rule.

Well it is obvious no one cares about your philosophy, so quit the holier than thou attitude.


Infraction issued for personal attack.

-Rvenger

 

[Ryanrenesis]

Obvious AMD fanboys are obvious. Might as well put your AMD GPUs in your sig because we all know you're rocking one. Don't be jealous of Nvidia's impossible >100% SLI scaling that AMD can never achieve


Infraction issued for trolling other members.

-Rvenger

 

[raghu78]

Well it is obvious no one cares about your philosophy, so quit the holier than thou attitude.

yeah :thumbsup:

 

[Rvenger]

Stop the arguing, now.

-Moderator Rvenger

 

[raghu78]

gamegpu charts updated with MSAA 4x (Ultra +). GTX 980 is dominant at 1080p with MSAA beating GTX 780 Ti by close to 30% and GTX 970 by almost 20%. At 1080p R9 290 and R9 290X performance is not good. R9 280X performance is much better beating out GTX 770. The gap between R9 280X and R9 290X is less than 20%. AMD needs to improve R9 290 series MSAA performance.

 

[wilds]

Haven't been experiencing any performance issues on my hardware; but I do notice poor brightness/color quality.

In the Color options to control Brightness, Contrast, and Gamma, how are you guys changing it around? Seems like I can't find a good balance where blacks seem too washed out or the sunlight seems too dim. Not a huge issue, using the default color settings for now.

 

[96Firebird]

Haven't been experiencing any performance issues on my hardware; but I do notice poor brightness/color quality.

In the Color options to control Brightness, Contrast, and Gamma, how are you guys changing it around? Seems like I can't find a good balance where blacks seem too washed out or the sunlight seems too dim. Not a huge issue, using the default color settings for now.

Version 1.3.0? Version number is in the lower left-hand corner on the main menu.

 

[wilds]

It has to be the latest version as I let it download and install overnight. I barely have any play time so I'll see if IQ improves when I get farther in, but I just feel like brightness and gamma are off a little. When I get home later I'll try finding some better scenery to find a good balance.

Looking at OP with the two in-game screenshots show kind of what I'm seeing. The 'NVIDIA' slide seems go have richer lighting.

I'll install this game on my MPB with its GT 650m and see how lighting and IQ compares to low settings on the r9 290.

 

[RussianSensation]

gamegpu charts updated with MSAA 4x (Ultra +). GTX 980 is dominant at 1080p with MSAA beating GTX 780 Ti by close to 30% and GTX 970 by almost 20%. At 1080p R9 290 and R9 290X performance is not good. R9 280X performance is much better beating out GTX 770. The gap between R9 280X and R9 290X is less than 20%. AMD needs to improve R9 290 series MSAA performance.

Oh man, yet another game where NV seems to have completely forgotten to optimize for Kepler architecture vs. Maxwell. 970 > 780Ti and 280X is just 5 fps slower than 780 at 1080P. Ridiculous. I would be sooo pissed if I had purchased the 780 at $650 and 780Ti at $700 at launch. Jeez, the 970 is as fast as a 690.

Without MSAA, with God Rays, 980 gets 30 fps at 1600P:

This means with God Rays and MSAA, this game will have major performance issues at 1440/1600P besides 780Ti SLI/970 SLI/980 SLI.

The performance hit with MSAA in this game is > 2X at 4K. :sneaky:

At this pace of PC game optimization, 2x GM200/390X will be paperweights for 2016-2017 PC games at 4K.

I don't know what's happening to PC gaming lately, with FC3.5+ requiring insane GPU power with maxed out settings, Unity running like garbage and DAI plagued with DRM. :twisted: I really want to ditch my 7.5 years old Westy for 32-37" 4K but I really don't have the budget for Quad-flagship GPUs every 2 years. I guess MSAA is going the way of the dinosaurs at this pace. With 2x the performance hit, it's not going to be even remotely feasible to use it at 4K.

 

[Erenhardt]

I guess MSAA is going the way of the dinosaurs at this pace. With 2x the performance hit, it's not going to be even remotely feasible to use it at 4K.

They may be doing this to promote MFAA. I wouldn't be too surprised to see MFAA vs MSAA performance comparison reviews popping up. /ConspiracyTheory

Also, the recent kepler performance is a low blow at your own consumer base...

There are not many reviews of FC4 it seems. Do reviewers boycott ubi after their recent bad releases, or is it ubisoft not spreading review copies in fear of the bad perception from last releases making its mark on FC4 reviews?

 

[toyota]

They may be doing this to promote MFAA. I wouldn't be too surprised to see MFAA vs MSAA performance comparison reviews popping up. /ConspiracyTheory

Also, the recent kepler performance is a low blow at your own consumer base...

There are not many reviews of FC4 it seems. Do reviewers boycott ubi after their recent bad releases, or is it ubisoft not spreading review copies in fear of the bad perception from last releases making its mark on FC4 reviews?

there are plenty of reviews including the usual places like gamespot.

 

[f1sherman]

MFAA vs MSAA conspiracy is pretty much stupid, because MFAA requires MSAA

 

[Erenhardt]

there are plenty of reviews including the usual places like gamespot.

Oh, I didn't mean the actual game reviews, but rather performance tests

 

[RussianSensation]

They may be doing this to promote MFAA. I wouldn't be too surprised to see MFAA vs MSAA performance comparison reviews popping up. /ConspiracyTheory

Also, the recent kepler performance is a low blow at your own consumer base...

It's ridiculous. When I got my 7970s, 670 cost the same. Now 280X is wiping the floor with a 670 by 25-30% in a lot of games. But nevermind that, the 780Ti was $700 1 year ago and now it performs like a $300 card. It's almost like NV is creating forced obsolescence aka Apple with its iOS upgrades. The extra $150 premium of 770 4GB over $300 280X amounted to nothing.

There are not many reviews of FC4 it seems. Do reviewers boycott ubi after their recent bad releases, or is it ubisoft not spreading review copies in fear of the bad perception from last releases making its mark on FC4 reviews?

Ya, they won't send you free game keys for the PC version. After Unity bombed with reviewers, Ubisoft changed the entire way they will work with PC game reviewers moving forward. Therefore you won't see that many PC reviews. Console reviews are treated differently.
http://www.vgchartz.com/article/252...ers-following-assassins-creed-unity-backlash/

 

[Abwx]

MFAA vs MSAA conspiracy is pretty much stupid, because MFAA requires MSAA

Not at all, it need FXAA enabled but there will be no MSAA, according to Hardware.fr Nvidia is in favour of reviewer comparing Gforce with MFAA to Radeons with MSAA 4X in reviews...

A clear view, if we can say so, in this article, use translators.

http://www.hardware.fr/focus/104/mfaa-nouveau-mode-antialiasing-geforce.html

 

[f1sherman]

Not at all, it need FXAA enabled but there will be no MSAA, according to Hardware.fr Nvidia is in favour of reviewer comparing Gforce with MFAA to Radeons with MSAA 4X in reviews...

A clear view, if we can say so, in this article, use translators.

http://www.hardware.fr/focus/104/mfaa-nouveau-mode-antialiasing-geforce.html

I used translator and found no evidence of either of your claims

This is all I found on the matter:

Basically, the MFAA can be seen as a mixture of MSAA, FXAA of of Temporal AA with a small dose of Accumulation Buffer fire 3Dfx.

 

[tential]

I don't know what's happening to PC gaming lately, with FC3.5+ requiring insane GPU power with maxed out settings, Unity running like garbage and DAI plagued with DRM. :twisted: I really want to ditch my 7.5 years old Westy for 32-37" 4K but I really don't have the budget for Quad-flagship GPUs every 2 years. I guess MSAA is going the way of the dinosaurs at this pace. With 2x the performance hit, it's not going to be even remotely feasible to use it at 4K.

To be fair, FC4 actually looks GOOD with maxed out settings.

That LOOKS like it should take insane GPU power to hit and the image correlates to it.
If you took our the character model, you could almost say that's a real life photo.

DAI with DRM? Well, PC gamers do pirate lets be real.
A quick search for Far Cry 4 shows around 50,000 people CURRENTLY downloading the game on thepiratebay. That doesn't count those who will torrent it later or those who already completed and aren't seeding. Few people are having issues related to Dragon Age Inqusition's DRM so really that's just a complaint gamers have because they hate DRM, not because it's affecting their play. For the record, Dragon Age Inqusition doesn't hav ea PC download on thepiratebay so it's working.

For the 4K gaming part I agree. I got back into PC gaming because CPUs were holding up well and older GPUs were holding up quite well. Especially since we're on 28nm for awhile so it wasn't like we could see colossal jumps in GPU performance anyway.

That said, the second 80 inch HDTV 4K hits below $3k, I'll pick it up to replace my 70 inch HDTV. The GPU part I'll worry about later but 4K is the future for gaming and right now my 80 inch projection screen for 1080p cuts it, but I know 4K would look gorgeous. I want it!

 

[oobydoobydoo]

wow video cards are serious business on this forum, but why all the anger>? We are all here because we like games/tech right?

 

[Abwx]

I used translator and found no evidence of either of your claims

This is all I found on the matter:

The mixture he s talking is about the theorical principle, it s not a mixture on the GPU management window...

On the picture he display there s thoses options :

No AA or with FXAA

+ MSAA 2x or (MFAA 2xA or MFAA 2xB)

+ MSAA 4x or MFAA 2T Emulated (MFAA 2xA + 2xB)

If the MFAA option is activated then when MSAA 2x or 4x is activated MFAA will be used instead, and not additionaly, according to the reviewer.

 

[f1sherman]

so where is this MFAA "need FXAA enabled but there will be no MSAA based"

and "Nvidia is in favour of reviewer comparing Gforce with MFAA to Radeons with MSAA 4X in reviews..."

coming from?

 

[RussianSensation]

To be fair, FC4 actually looks GOOD with maxed out settings.

That LOOKS like it should take insane GPU power to hit and the image correlates to it.
If you took our the character model, you could almost say that's a real life photo.

The foilage, rocks, mountains, shadows, grass all look last/current gen to me (FC3+) not next gen. Witcher 3 blows it away and Witcher 3 is a 3rd person open world game (that in theory should never look as good as a next gen FPS title). Did you actually zoom in on the picture you linked to me? The performance hit of 2X with MSAA is in no way justifiable either.

 

[tential]

I didn't zoom in no but I looked at it again on not my projector and I can see what you mean kind of.
The Witcher 3 certainly looks better, but it's also not out yet. Those screens could be taken in "Uber Mode" of The Witcher 3 that takes a 3 cards to run for all we know. Not really fair to compare it to The Witcher 3.

Maybe it looks so good after seeing shots of AC Unity lol...

 

[Abwx]

so where is this MFAA "need FXAA enabled but there will be no MSAA based"

It is clear that MSAA is not enabled when there s MFAA, indeed he state it explicitly.

Si l'option MFAA est active dans les pilotes, dès qu'un de ces types de MSAA est sélectionné dans les jeux compatibles, il est remplacé par la version correspondante du MFAA.

"If MFAA option is active in the driver, once one of thoses MSAA types are selected, it is replaced by the MFAA corresponding version."

and "Nvidia is in favour of reviewer comparing Gforce with MFAA to Radeons with MSAA 4X in reviews..."

coming from?

He s a renewed rewiewer and is in permanent contact with both AMD and Nvidia and he s not known to throw sentences randomly.

The reason for Nvidia supporting such a comparison is obvious as he state that MFAA is less compute heavy, at the expense of image quality..