Gaming mouse

beginner99

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I'm pretty noob on this subject. I play a few games also only. (played sc1 for ages online but always wit a standard mouse). Currently I play sc2 but last couple weeks iswitched to BC2. Will probably also play other fps in the future.

Anyway i read about high dpi, mouse weight ands so forth, what is the difference?
Also "acceleration" etc. No idea what it exactly means or "lift off distance).

As metnioend i currently play BC2 with a chep standard logitech mouse. (it's a rather small one and I don't have big hands).

No need for macros but most have that functionallity anyway. (I bought a keyboard with macro function but actually never use it).

Laser or infrared?
 

kamikazekyle

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Infrared/optical mice tend to have lower DPI than laser mice, but also provide much smoother movement and more precise movements. A higher DPI setting means you can move your mouse a shorter distance while still moving the cursor the same distance on the screen. Simply and broadly put, if you move your mouse 5 inches to get your cursor from one end of the screen to the other at 500 DPI, at 1000 DPI you only have to move your mouse 2.5 inches to do the same thing. The downside in this is a loss in precision and/or smoothness, depending on the mouse.

Lift off distance is the distance it takes until the optical/laser sensor stops registering movement. A low distance means you have to lift your mouse less when repositioning the mouse on your mousepad.

Acceleration lets you retain finer movements while moving the mouse slow, but the faster you move the mouse the pointer will ramp up its movement speed. Most gamers prefer to leave acceleration off as it can kick in unpredictably in games, and doesn't always provide the expected smooth acceleration in mouse speed. Your mileage may vary, and it's preference dependent.

1. Type of grip (palm or claw). Do you rest your whole hand on the mouse, or do you "claw" the mouse, moving it mostly with your fingertips?

2. How many buttons would you like?

3. Do you like your mouse heavy or light (most palmers prefer heavy, while claws usually go light).

4. What is your sensitivity setting in Windows? Or, do you prefer to move the mouse a little to move the cursor X distance, or do you prefer to move the mouse a lot to move the cursor the same distance?

5. Do you lift the mouse off the mousepad to reposition it? If so, do you like/dislike this?

6. Budget?

7. Extra gizmos (rubberized surface, adjustable tactile force, etc).

8. Gaming on other's systems where you can't install drivers?

8. Wired/wireless? You'll get better results probably with wired, especially if you go high DPI (> 2000).

Depending on your answers, you can go several routes. The Logitech MX518 and now the EC1/2 from Zowie are very good infrared/optical palm-style mice and operate without drivers. Both can change the DPI setting on the fly without drivers, and both run around the same $35-$40 price point while the EC1 and 2 are on sale at newegg. The EC series steps from 500/1000/2000 DPI while the MX518 caps out at 1800 DPI.

Infrared/optical claw grips would probably be suited with an Abyssus from Razer, or maybe a DiamondBack (if I got my line right). Both use the 3.5 generation sensor and have smooth tracking.

Laser mouse wise, you have more options and all are high DPI. There's the Steelseries Xai which is very popular with claw gamers due to light weight. From Logitech, there's the G9x and the G500. The G9x tends to be much more customizable and leans a bit to a claw grip and has adjustable weight, while the 500 leans to a palm grip. Razer just came out with the Spectre and Tron mice, both of which are lightweight lasers. The Imperator is one of Razer's preferred claw style laser mice, and the Mamba is a favored wired/wireless palmer.

There's also the Naos 3200 and 5000 which I've seen some praise on. The 3200 caps at 3200 dpi (laser). The 5000 caps at 5000 DPI, has adjustable weights, and also includes some additional software configuration and profile storage.

If you do gaming on the road with a laptop, the Orochi is hard to beat. Wired or wireless, up to 2000 DPI when connected via bluetooth, and not *too* heavy with batteries. Definite claw style mouse though. It'll probably hurt your hand if you use your entire palm.

Since most FPS games nowadays are fairly CQB-styled, you'd probably want a lighter weight mouse with on-the-fly sensitivity/DPI adjustment. Also, you have smaller hands, so I'd say the EC2 (palm or claw)/Abyssus (claw) if you want optical, or the G9x (claw or palm)/G500 (palm)/Imperator(palm), or maybe one of the newer Razer laser mice (I haven't tired them or read up on them yet). I tend to prefer the Logitech drivers over the Razer ones, and Logitechs have tended to fare better over time than all my Razers.

*Personally*, I tend to be a hybrid claw/palm twicher, though I find 2000 DPI the cap at what I'd like to run at (depending on the mouse). I was using an Orochi, but got in an EC2 last night. I'm finding myself to prefer the optical EC2 as the grip fits smaller hands, lets me do my hybrid grip, and has an excellently smooth track and tactile button feel. Running the same DPI as the Orochi, I find it tracks better and feels much smoother in cursor movements, though the "feeling" bit could just be placebo.

The thing is, a mouse is quite a personal preference, perhaps moreso than a keyboard. Your best bet is to try to find a store that has a selection in stock that can give you a good grip test to see what's most comfortable in your hand. If ordering online, you might want to try to order from a website with a good return policy lest you wind up with restocking fees or a collection of unused mice (like me ). Many top competitive gamers still use Intellimouse Explorers (1.1 and 3.0), and those are really, really basic mice.
 

beginner99

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wow. thanks for your detailed answer. see below for answers/remarks:

Infrared/optical mice tend to have lower DPI than laser mice, but also provide much smoother movement and more precise movements. ... The downside in this is a loss in precision and/or smoothness, depending on the mouse.

I would say then smoothness is more important. Biggest issue currently is in BC2 in tanks. Just to slow when turning the guns.

Lift off distance is the distance it takes until the optical/laser sensor stops registering movement. A low distance means you have to lift your mouse less when repositioning the mouse on your mousepad.

I don't even have a pad, just the table. But don't really know if I ever pick it up at all.

1. Type of grip (palm or claw). Do you rest your whole hand on the mouse, or do you "claw" the mouse, moving it mostly with your fingertips?

probably claw. The weight is more om my wrist.

2. How many buttons would you like?

standard 2 button with mousewheel woudl be enough, not important.

3. Do you like your mouse heavy or light (most palmers prefer heavy, while claws usually go light).

light I guess, current one seems to be very light

4. What is your sensitivity setting in Windows? Or, do you prefer to move the mouse a little to move the cursor X distance, or do you prefer to move the mouse a lot to move the cursor the same distance?

Have it on 7th position in win 7 mouse menu. I think it's the default, can't remember adjusting it.

5. Do you lift the mouse off the mousepad to reposition it? If so, do you like/dislike this?

I think I do sometimes at least when browsing but I'm not sure when gaming. will try to pay attention next time.

6. Budget?

not a big issue but sure don't spend more than double digit.

7. Extra gizmos (rubberized surface, adjustable tactile force, etc).

easy to clean glide pads

8. Gaming on other's systems where you can't install drivers?
9. Wired/wireless? You'll get better results probably with wired, especially if you go high DPI (> 2000).
no and wired is fine


Never seen a shop in which you could try out mice. newegg is not an option sadly.

I could get a ec2 for 64.- or abyssus for about 54.-
 

kamikazekyle

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Yea, I've always found it hard finding a place that actually carries "gaming" mice in person. Just the usual Office Depot type stores. We used to have a CompUSA where you could try out the gaming gear in person, but they closed shop when CompUSA went belly up. Shame, cause that's one of the few local places you could buy actual computer parts without having to wait for shipping.

Given your preferences, I'd say you'd probably want to stick with a high DPI optical (visual or infrared), claw oriented, and lightweight. The Abyssus pretty much fits that bill. The EC2 could also work -- though it's more of a palm oriented mouse, I find it's small enough to claw as well. With the Abyssus you also get additional software drivers and customization software to set up macros or do independent X/Y axis sensitivity adjustments. Both the EC2 and the Abyssus have teflon feet as far as I know, so that'll be smooth.

I've found that unless you're going to be pushing insane DPI, a laser usually isn't as nice tracking as an optical. Opticals are also more forgiving on the mousing surface, usually, than most lasers.

Oh, and I'd suggest picking up a mousepad. Not only will it save your desk from damage, but it can help mice track better. A cheap cloth pad will work surprisingly well.

Keep an eye on the thread in case someone else has ideas. I'm just spouting out some mice I've tried and/or heard experiences with. There's oodles out there
 

beginner99

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If anyone cares, I went with the deathadder refresh. The back/forward buttons can be handy when browsing plus I do sometimes have trouble with my hands I thought a dedicated right-hand mouse might help a bit.

All in all it feels more accurate and now after a week of vaccation and back at work I have trouble dealing with a similar cheap laser mouse as I previously had at home. I think it helps a little in an fps, but the rest like 95% are other factors, eg. skill, aspect ratio and resolution might also have an impact.
 

whitesammy

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any razer series would work or logitech. a lot of people would recommend the g700.

wireless and wired doesn't matter but try to get the new lens phillips fish eye lens. good DPI. you wont need more than 5600DPI @ all.

claw if you have small hands. palm if you have big hands. just gets some time to used to. i cant wait for ratz 9
 

Fastx

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kamikazekyle
Thanks for this info I was thinking about the G9 but the Mionix NAS 5000 really looks interesting and reviews on the web look good. Newegg has it for $67.00 shipped with code I am tempted to get this one.

Anyone here have the Mionix 5000 and how do you like compared to your previous gaming mice?
 

UpstartXT

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I have gone out searching for a lot of mice in terms of gaming, I just always come back to the MX518 by logitech. The shape has been around for a long time, but that's because it just fits like a glove, and reading reviews and user ratings, that's true for a lot of people, not just me.

They upgraded the internals from the original, and I still believe this is the best mouse you can get. Not knocking anyone's recommendation, this is just me giving a +1 to a mx518 recommendation.

My mouse:
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/devices/4259

My surface:
http://shop.steelseries.com/us/index.php/surfaces-us/steelseries-qck-heavy.html

I've played a lot of stuff competitively, mostly recently BC2 which someone mentioned.


Note about MX518, you NEED to install Logitech setpoint software in order for this mouse to be accurate. DO NOT skip it thinking it's useless bloatware.
 

bunnyfubbles

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MX518 has solid sensor performance but is stuck with angle snapping / prediction which is where the sensor will try and help you draw straighter lines even if you don't want it to.

However the software is definitely not necessary unless you're unhappy with the default settings.

Last I knew, the MX518 didn't have official support for polling rate increase either, although that's definitely a lot of marketing hype and far from the most important part of a mouse.

Unfortunately its design is, IMO, starting to show its age. Logitech keeps producing and selling it because its so popular because of its very popular shape and solid performance, but they've done little if anything to modernize it.

A newer sensor that has configurable prediction (default off), 1000Hz polling, and upgradable firmware would be a huge improvement and likely put it a step ahead of the DeathAdder for sure.
 
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Carver_inc

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I have the Razer Imperator and I love it. I play wide variety of games WoW, Fallout series, MassEffect, Star Craft II. I came from an old wireless logitech, but so far I've been very impressed.
 

mrblotto

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Gotta say I love the MX518. I usually play BC2, L4Dx, and some other FPS's. It fits my hand nicely, and I still have/use the 2 I purchased about 3 years ago.
 

oynaz

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I use a Steelseries Ikari laser both at work and at home. Great mouse.
 
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