gaming on an lcd

[rakeshmp]

ive been thinking about getting an lcd screen for a while now, mainly for the decrease in footprint. the question is, how do they perform in terms of gaming? with response rates down to 12ms or so, how do they compare to crt monitors?

 

[phray]

my dell 2001fp is absolutely beautiful in games. i can honestly not see any difference between it and my trusty old samsung 19" CRT. my 3 year old samsung lcd (v754), however, isn't really suited for gaming. its got way too much ghosting.

 

[Mik3y]

as long as their quality, a good 25ms response lcd is fine for games. even better would be a 16, 12, or even a 10ms response lcd.

 

[rakeshmp]

right, ive heard about that 2001fp. however, i am not sure if i need 21" or so of monitor. its also expensive in the low $700s. i was hoping that gaming performance would increase the smaller the monitor. for that reason as well as price, i think i was looking at maybe 17" or 18" monitors.

 

[rakeshmp]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
as long as their quality, a good 25ms response lcd is fine for games. even better would be a 16, 12, or even a 10ms response lcd.

even for fps gaming and watching dvds?

 

[So]

I switched from a 19" CRT to a 17" 16ms response LCD and am quite happy. No problem w/ ghosting in games.

 

[phray]

Originally posted by: rakeshmp
...however, i am not sure if i need 21" or so of monitor...

understood. i don't NEED a 20.1" monitor, but damn its nice.

 

[Trey22]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
as long as their quality, a good 25ms response lcd is fine for games. even better would be a 16, 12, or even a 10ms response lcd.

Are you kidding? 25ms? Ridiculous... with the amount of people that report ghosting on 25ms panels, you need to go with 16 or 12. Even supposed glass ceiling LCD's, like the Samsun 213T, have ghosting issues. The Dell LCD, being a 16ms panel, IMO, is the best LCD available for gaming, as long as the screen door effect is not apparent or you aren't bothered by it.

 

[gameboyzz]

I have an Envision EN8100e 18.1 lcd (23ms) and I dont experience any ghosting.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: Trey22

Originally posted by: Mik3y
as long as their quality, a good 25ms response lcd is fine for games. even better would be a 16, 12, or even a 10ms response lcd.

Are you kidding? 25ms? Ridiculous... with the amount of people that report ghosting on 25ms panels, you need to go with 16 or 12. Even supposed glass ceiling LCD's, like the Samsun 213T, have ghosting issues. The Dell LCD, being a 16ms panel, IMO, is the best LCD available for gaming, as long as the screen door effect is not apparent or you aren't bothered by it.

no i'm not kidding. its fine for gaming, but i never said it'd be bad. like i also said, a 16 or 12ms one is even better. just because a screen ghosts a bit doesnt mean its horrible or unplayable. also, dell's dont make lcds. they contract it with another company to build it for them with their brand slapped onto them, just like viewsonic.

 

[JackHawksmoor]

I just got a Dell 1901, and from my brief experience with it, ghosting is VERY minimal. Not an issue for me. My Samsung Syncmaster 191T+ is worse-ghosting can be very noticeable, although games are still playable. Both have supposedly the same 25ms response time.

 

[Mik3y]

samsung's new 243T is 25ms also, but its a much newer and higher quality panel. in the reviews, it says ghosting is very minimal also, which is something i dont have a problem with.

 

[Todd33]

I just picked up a 16ms 19" yesterday, Doom 3 looks fine. I'm not even sure what ghosting looks like other than in theory, so it must not be noticable.

 

[desertfox04]

Remember, LCD's don't like to have their resolutions changed. If you have a favorite resolution and it happens to be the LCD's optimal resolution, then go ahead. But if you play lots of different games and each needs to be run at different resolutions, well, you might just need to deal with the smaller area when you downsize the resolution.

I remember somone asking if their Geforce 2 mx 400 could support their LCD's resolution of 1280X1024 playing Doom III.

 

[beatle]

If you change resolutions from the native (say, the Dell 2001FP's 1600x1200) you'll still get exact, sharp images if you use a resolution that's half of the native resolution. This means if you play games in 800x600, you won't get the fuzziness associated with a panel not in its native resolution.

 

[Lokan]

I have a Sony 17" 16ms LCD and I play FPS games religeously. I experience no ghosting what so ever and that's on games like Call of Duty, HL (+mods), Doom III, and even strategy games (Generals, Age of whatever ;D). I've even played the MMORPGs with this and still have yet to see ghosting. I will never go back to CRT. My wife uses a 17" NEC 16ms and has never experienced Ghosting either, but then again, she only plays EQ every once in awhile.

Either way, the Anandtech forums once told me 16ms or lower and you'll be fine. I took that advice and wasn't let down, so I can only extend the same advice to you. Good luck! Oh, and another benefit to LCDs, they use less power and create MUCH less heat =D

 

[domsq]

I am also the proud owner of a 16ms 17" LCD flat panel, and I play games like NFSU, Quake 3, UT2004 and the like and experience next to no ghosting. The funny thing is that my screen is pretty unknown make (CMV), but is far from being junk.

Also, I find that my screen actually handles scaling to lower resolutions pretty well. The reason for this is probably due to my screen being connected up via DVI and also that I use the 'Display adapter scaling' option under my nVidia drivers.

Also, as Lokan pointed out, LCD's use less energy. My old 19" CRT used to use 160W in full operation, and 5W in sleep mode. My LCD uses but 45W in operation, and 3W in sleep mode.

 

[imported_powdahound]

If you have to run a graphically intensive game on and LCD and you can't go to the LCD's full native resolution just run the game in windowed mode. Sure, it'll be smaller, but you won't get the bad stretching of everything.

 

[Delorian]

I have a samsung 151v that I got as a gift, which appears to have a bad PR rating but I love it. the colors are much better than a CRT, the screen is also much brighter. I haven't noticed any ghosting, if there has been any, I haven't noticed. Only thing I can say that a CRT beats it in is speed in switching resolutions, usually takes about 2 seconds on my LCD vs. about 1/2 second on my old CRT.

CRT = cheaper, no "ghosting", bulky

LCD = expensive, nicer color &amp; brightness, space-saver, low power (<25W max)

I've played ut2k4, farcry, halo, doom3 alpha, CnC Generals and various others. All play fine on my lcd, and are easier on my eyes!

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: Trey22

Originally posted by: Mik3y
as long as their quality, a good 25ms response lcd is fine for games. even better would be a 16, 12, or even a 10ms response lcd.

Are you kidding? 25ms? Ridiculous... with the amount of people that report ghosting on 25ms panels, you need to go with 16 or 12. Even supposed glass ceiling LCD's, like the Samsun 213T, have ghosting issues. The Dell LCD, being a 16ms panel, IMO, is the best LCD available for gaming, as long as the screen door effect is not apparent or you aren't bothered by it.

I disagree with this guy. I have a samsung SyncMaster 191t+ monitor, with response time of 25ms, and playing Doom 3 on here rocks. I have not noticed any ghosting with it. Before I purchased the monitor, I thought there would be ghosting because of the 25ms response time. But I rarely game now a days so I didnt care. However, when I tested out Doom 3 on here, it ran fine with no ghosting.

So now I agree with the guy that said the good brand 25ms can be fine with games, however before trying out a game, from the research I did, I would not have believed that until I saw it myself.

 

[Mem]

I`m using a Samsung 191T for gaming and I find its pretty good,crispness at native resolution is awesome compared to a CRT,ghosting is not really a problem for me even with the 25ms rating that my LCD has.

The latest generation of fast 12ms-16ms LCDs gaming should be even more enjoyable,like all things it really is a personal thing,scaling is also pretty good,the pros of a LCD outweigh the cons IMHO.
Btw I use DVI mode which is a must to get the best out of your LCD if your LCD has DVI support.


I`ve 21" CRT as well, but prefer to use my LCD even for non-native resolutions.

 

[rakeshmp]

so, what are recommendations on 17" or 18" monitors for gaming?

 

[Lokan]

I bought my Sony SDM-HX73 last christmas for $650 and it was worth every penny. Bright colors, flawless display, zero dead pixels, fast resolution switching, multiple inputs, and even built in speakers (though I can't comment on their quality). One benefit that I like is the DVI support, looks nicer, AND when it drops to lower resolution, the screen immediately centers to best fit, which is great when working in DOS prompt.

However, the NEC 17" monitor on the market that's also a 16ms is great and can be had for roughly $100 cheaper. These were big-box store prices and 8 months old now. I've not had to price them so they may have dropped in price.

Hope this helps!

 

[FreshFish]

Samsung Syncmaster 712N. 17", 12ms response, fairly cheap at ~400. I have had it for about a month, played Doom3 and UT2k4 on it and I love it!

 

[rakeshmp]

whats the difference between the 710n and the 710t?