GAS PRICES REALLY SUX

[harobikes333]

... they make more when its 3 bucks a gallon:\

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The pisser is that Exxon and the rest will post record profits this quarter:disgust:

How can they be posting profits if they are not arbitrarily raising prices and simply passing along the increase in crude :roll:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: SampSon
No matter how much some of you want to argue against it, suburban sprawl IS A PROBLEM.
The most efficient way to build is up, not out. Americans simply don't want to live that way, so they pay the price.

Gas is around $3/gallon for regular here, with a price fluxuation of around $.10/gallon.

I drive more miles than the vast majority of people on this forum. When I'm out in the field I drive around 300 miles a day, for work of course. Only a portion of this mileage is reimbursed by my associate, the rest I write off on taxes. Sure I'm spending more than I ever have on fuel, but I'm also making more than I ever have at my chosen profession. It's a calculated trade off, everyone makes them on a daily basis. For most of America this gas trade off has been calculated and the decision has been made to pay more for gas. Instead of actually lifting a finger to try and change something (aka, a lifestyle), people just bitch about it.

Why is sprawl "A PROBLEM?" Sure, it's more "efficient" to build up and not out, but since when is efficiency a goal of the average human's life? Many, many people value the benefits of suburban and rural living over those of living in a giant sardine can.

Like you said, the trade-off has been decided by many.

 

[exdeath]

<vengeful rant>
Figures, I unwillingly humble myself driving a slow car for like 7 years with everyone having faster sportier cars, then I get my 03 Cobra and everyone else is trading in their sports cars for hybrids.

Guess there won't be much competition for my '03 Cobra this summer with everyone driving their Honda's and Scions *snicker*

Mmmm supercharged V8 "blubblublubblubblubblubb"

Not that 25 mpg on the highway is even that bad for ~700 RWHP :evil: I'll be able to keep my foot out of it more and hit that mark more often now with all these weak little cars around me as I idle past them.

I don't have a car payment, so I could care less about gas prices At $5 a gal I'd still be paying less a month for gas than what most people pay for their car payment... and they still need gas...
</vengeful rant>

 

[Robor]

700 RWHP and 25 MPG? Not gonna happen.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: chr6
ive seen people spending half their paycheck on gas alone, it really bites

Calling shens on that. If not, those people are idiots! It's not that much higher which means they were spending an insane amount before.

well, he says he's still in school which means these people are most likely part timers and making minimum wage or around it. under those circumstances, its easy to see how they can be spending half their paychecks on gas.

its 2.85-2.89 here for 87.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
it went up this week - 3.09 where I live. I think they jumped because of the speculation of attack on Saudi Oil.

Since they like to jack the prices when they speculate, it makes me want to attack the owners of the oil.... I think the whole oil industry is corrupt.

 

[iversonyin]

I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: chr6
im using my bicycle more and more, and luckily all the groceries are within a mile, and work is by bike too.

but i fear when im all done with school and my job is 30+ miles away, and then gas becomes an issue. ive seen people spending half their paycheck on gas alone, it really bites

wow, i have a gas guzzling dodge ram 1500 V8 pickup. i drive about 50 miles a day, fill up once a week (more if i have service calls thru the week, but i get mileage). i usually pay about 72 bucks a week on gas, i cant imagine that being half my paycheck. i see gas as a necessary evil to my lifestyle. i dont really bitch about the prices, but i do keep track of when it seems frivolous on gas companies part. lately it all seems frivolous. consumption is probably down (a guess) and i know there hasnt been any huge changes in the manufacturing process, so what made the price go up? it still costs the same to make and distribute, and the supplies are still there. they are raising the prices based on their own whim, and its getting out of control. that isnt really a bitch, i pay the price anyway, knownign im not going to load my 3 kids onto a bus and ride 3 hours every morning to get them to school and then me to work. i also wont load them up for a 11 mile bike ride to school. itsw part of my expenses, and will be until i win the lotto and buy my own gas franchise (ya right.)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
it went up this week - 3.09 where I live. I think they jumped because of the speculation of attack on Saudi Oil.

Since they like to jack the prices when they speculate, it makes me want to attack the owners of the oil.... I think the whole oil industry is corrupt.

I say it's crime.

If this was going on in the food industry (also a "commodity" as the so called oil supporters like to point out) there would be Congressional hearings of high crimes.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Robor
700 RWHP and 25 MPG? Not gonna happen.

Sure it can if you stay out of boost and use 5th and 6th gears on the freeway at 1500 RPM or less. Good mileage on one end and maximum performance on the other end is a hallmark of a small displacement (4.6L in this case) forced induction engine. I have a twenty mile drive to work at 6am, 80% of it is 55+ mph with no stops and hardly any traffic. Thats with a supercharger that is always running, it's even more true with turbo.

Peak acceleration power and cruising MPGs are mutually exclusive in any car; it's all about driving habits. A Prius isn't going to get over 30 mpg either if you treat it as if you only have two settings: 'foot off the gas' or 'to the floor'. Just because you have potential power on tap doesn't mean you have to use it 24/7.

Hence what I said:

"I'll be able to keep my foot out of it more and hit that mark more often now"

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MustISO

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The pisser is that Exxon and the rest will post record profits this quarter:disgust:

I don't know if they were record profits but they have all posted profits so far. Up from last year.

Gas is $3.03 here (or it was last night). I keep reading about inventories being higher than last year but gas is still going up. I guess the Govt. gave up the whole investigation into the price gauging.

I for one am not going out unless I have to. Travel to work and that's it. Maybe once a week to a restaurant. It certainly won't help anything but I'd love to see more people driving less.

P.S.
I hate BS like this:
work closer
live closer
work longer fewer days a week
telecommute
ride a scooter
bike
carpool

Not always an option for people. Some people could do maybe one of those things.

And when people bring up other countries. They pay what they pay, we pay what we pay, our gas has increased in price quite rapidly over a few years. I'm sure those countries would love it if gas prices went up 100% in a few years.

What's BS about this? I've never understood why people live 30+ miles away from where they work and why people who drive in to work and work with people who do the same commute never think about sharing the driving a few days a week. Or why people don't try commuting by bike, it's great exercise and it eliminates the need for driving to the gym after work to get in some exercise.

i am one of those who lives 30 miles from work and ill tell you why. because the job i was offered is 30 miles from home and i took it. the houses in a 10 mile radius from my office are 300K and i will not be house poor.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
My point is that there are viable alternatives. People just seem to dismiss them all to easily for some reason. Maybe when gas prices hit $4/gallon or $5/gallon they'll start to really look at the choices they make instead of just bitching about it.

QFT.

It is sad that it will take $4 and $5 per gallon PLUS gas prices before Americans begin to change their ways.

humm wow you must speak for everyone. funny where i live i dont have bus service unless you call hijacking a cow bus service. i live in the country and love it. not everybody lives in a urban environment or didnt you know that.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: iversonyin
I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.

why? do you like paying more for your food?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: iversonyin
I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.

why? do you like paying more for your food?

Hes either an all out hippie, or is pissed off that everyone drives something faster than his Geo.

Lets clear something else up while we are at it:

More power does not automatically mean less efficient. I wish people would stop equating the two.

6.0L engine making 500 HP while a 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. Someone driving a Prius will gasp at 500 HP and assume that its less efficient, yet its making the same horsepower per liter of fuel consumed. Twice the displacement, twice the energy, twice the power output, but thats it. Twice the fuel, but its putting out twice the power and there is someone willing to pay twice the price for gas for that power, so why should someone else care? Do these same people bitch and whine about 3.0 Ghz quad core CPUs and 8800GTX SLI being power hungry and inefficient even though they themselves choose not to buy them? Those people might be consuming excessive power and making it cost prohibitive for the people with K6's to run their PCs! :roll: Until you are paying my gas and electric bill, stop bitching about what I have.

"Inefficient gas guzzler" would mean that 6.0L engine is only making 255 HP while the 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. But again, an engine with twice the displacement making twice the power using twice the gas = same efficiency. The emissions are just as clean as a 1.0L engine too.

So all you hippies be honest when you talk about 'gas guzzlers' its not that you want people to have more EFFICIENT cars or cleaner cars, you just want them to have WEAKER cars period. Might as well argue that people with quad core CPUs and 65" TVs are inefficient as well because having twice the cores consumes twice the power.

Once again it's all about envy and 'omg someone else has more than me and I can't afford to keep up with the Jones' so it should be banned so they can't have it either' :roll:

Again though... remember when you hear someone preaching about 'efficient' cars what they really mean is 'weaker' cars.

Now the weight issue... I have no idea why a truck with two seats has to weigh 8,000 lbs. I always thought MY car was heavy at 3,600 lbs but damn... seems every new car is over 4,000 lbs minimum now. I could add 12 TVs and 10 amps and speakers to my car and still not even come close to what some of these new cars weigh bare stock, so where are they hiding the lead bricks? Cheap materials would be my guess. Spare tire bracket 30 lbs, alternator bracket made of solid iron, 20 lbs, etc. I esp. love losers that stick 30" rims that weigh like 200 lbs a piece on their SUVs and think they are hard with their super mega powerful 290 HP V8s!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: iversonyin
I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.

why? do you like paying more for your food?

Hes either an all out hippie, or is pissed off that everyone drives something faster than his Geo.

Lets clear something else up while we are at it:

More power does not necessarily mean less efficient.

6.0L engine making 500 HP while a 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. Someone driving a Prius will gasp at 500 HP and assume that its less efficient, yet its making the same horsepower per liter of fuel consumed. Twice the displacement, twice the energy, twice the power output, but thats it. Twice the fuel, but its putting out twice the power and there is someone willing to pay twice the price for gas for that power, so why should someone else care? Do these same people bitch and whine about 3.0 Ghz quad core CPUs and 8800GTX SLI being power hungry and inefficient even though they themselves chose not to buy them? Those people might be consuming excessive power and making it cost prohibitive for the people with K6's to run their PCs! :roll:

"Inefficient gas guzzler" would mean that 6.0L engine is only making 255 HP while the 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. But again, an engine with twice the displacement making twice the power using twice the gas = same efficiency. The emissions are just as clean as a 1.0L engine too.

So all you hippies be honest when you talk about 'gas guzzlers' its not that you want people to have more EFFICIENT cars or cleaner cars, you just want them to have WEAKER cars period. Might as well argue that people with quad core CPUs and 65" TVs are inefficient as well because having twice the cores consumes twice the power.

Once again it's all about envy and 'omg someone else has more than me and I can't afford to keep up with the Jones' so it should be banned so they can't have it either' :roll:

Now the weight issue... I have no idea why a truck with two seats has to weigh 8,000 lbs. I always thought MY car was heavy at 3,600 lbs but damn... seems every new car is over 4,000 lbs minimum now. I could add 12 TVs and 10 amps and speakers to my car and still not even come close to what some of these new cars weigh bare stock, so where are they hiding the lead bricks?

I believe his point is those who made the choice to drive gas guzzlers are now paying more at the pump. I know my next car will definitely be something that gets high 20's or better in the city and high 30's or better on the highway.

BTW - 25 MPG is not anything to brag about and it's especially nothing when the city mileage is much much worse. What do you do with 700 HP anyway? I used to have a 70 Nova SS with a built small block (355). I picked up a beater Chevette to drive because the Nova's mileage sucked so bad.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: iversonyin
I love it. I want to see gas at $4-5 a gallon. I just love it.

why? do you like paying more for your food?

Hes either an all out hippie, or is pissed off that everyone drives something faster than his Geo.

Lets clear something else up while we are at it:

More power does not necessarily mean less efficient.

6.0L engine making 500 HP while a 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. Someone driving a Prius will gasp at 500 HP and assume that its less efficient, yet its making the same horsepower per liter of fuel consumed. Twice the displacement, twice the energy, twice the power output, but thats it. Twice the fuel, but its putting out twice the power and there is someone willing to pay twice the price for gas for that power, so why should someone else care? Do these same people bitch and whine about 3.0 Ghz quad core CPUs and 8800GTX SLI being power hungry and inefficient even though they themselves chose not to buy them? Those people might be consuming excessive power and making it cost prohibitive for the people with K6's to run their PCs! :roll:

"Inefficient gas guzzler" would mean that 6.0L engine is only making 255 HP while the 3.0L engine is making 250 HP. But again, an engine with twice the displacement making twice the power using twice the gas = same efficiency. The emissions are just as clean as a 1.0L engine too.

So all you hippies be honest when you talk about 'gas guzzlers' its not that you want people to have more EFFICIENT cars or cleaner cars, you just want them to have WEAKER cars period. Might as well argue that people with quad core CPUs and 65" TVs are inefficient as well because having twice the cores consumes twice the power.

Once again it's all about envy and 'omg someone else has more than me and I can't afford to keep up with the Jones' so it should be banned so they can't have it either' :roll:

Now the weight issue... I have no idea why a truck with two seats has to weigh 8,000 lbs. I always thought MY car was heavy at 3,600 lbs but damn... seems every new car is over 4,000 lbs minimum now. I could add 12 TVs and 10 amps and speakers to my car and still not even come close to what some of these new cars weigh bare stock, so where are they hiding the lead bricks?

I believe his point is those who made the choice to drive gas guzzlers are now paying more at the pump. I know my next car will definitely be something that gets high 20's or better in the city and high 30's or better on the highway.

BTW - 25 MPG is not anything to brag about and it's especially nothing when the city mileage is much much worse. What do you do with 700 HP anyway? I used to have a 70 Nova SS with a built small block (355). I picked up a beater Chevette to drive because the Nova's mileage sucked so bad.

I have a Camry that I drive when I don't want to pay for gas, or more often than not as the case may be, when I don't want to worry about my Cobra getting dinged or dirty (such as during the construction around my workplace streets). The Cobra is my fun car, and a hobby, that I drive when I'm tired of being picked on in the Camry, which is at least once a week. 80% of my daily drive is highway, and all the places I commute are no more than 2 major lights away from the freeway, so I don't concern myself with city mileage. I actual drive as little as possible simply because I'm lazy and don't like being around people, regardless of gas prices or mileage.

25MPG is nothing not brag about, you know that, I know that. But consider some seaweed and tofu eating liberal who might say that a 166 HP Honda Accord is automatically "more responsible" than a 500 HP Viper... the Viper gets 12 MPG while the Accord gets 26 MPG.

Now tell them you can have a car with 500+ HP that also gets similar mileage to the Accord at 25 MPG and suddenly it's not good enough for them, it's inefficient and irresponsible because it's not a 166 HP Accord doing it. Give them a Viper that gets 26 MPG like the Accord but still gets 500 HP and they won't be happy, they will say something like 'well then if the Viper only had 166 HP with that engine it could get 50 mpg!' Give them a Prius with the same 60 MPG but 400 HP and they will say 400 HP is too much, you should tune it down so you get 85 HP but 90 MPG! No. I want horsepower too. They don't just want efficiency, they just don't want anybody having more powerful cars than they think they should be allowed to have. Like I said, when you hear 'more efficient car' you might as well replace it with 'weaker car' because thats really what they want. They'd get rid of all cars period and have everyone walking around in earth friendly sandals made of seaweed if they could get away with it.

It's not about horsepower and gas mileage to those people, it's about someone else being able to have something better than them or something that is too aggressive for THEIR tastes, so they seek to make those things prohibitive to others to make themselves feel good. Another front in the pussification of America: "Vipers are mean and nasty and scary and I don't like them, so I hope gas prices go up so nobody can afford to have them, then I don't have to worry about them making my hair stand up in my rear view!" :roll: I can't wait until liberals propose banning testosterone.

They think high gas prices will punish people who have better cars than them, but really they forget that the people that can afford such cars to begin with, except for posers living beyond their means, don't really care about gas prices. I'll bitch that gas prices are higher than they should be for no reason other than oil cartels, oligopolies, corruption, and the BS that is "futures", but I'm not going to be driving a Geo Metro any time soon. I'm going to drive what I drive, but that doesn't mean I'm happy paying more for gas than I need to just because some asshole like Chavez says I should.

 

[Eos]

Talk about sticker shock today.

I left work Friday night and regular was $3.13 per gallon. Ick.

I come in this morning at 11:45 and it's 3.23. Double ick.

I leave for lunch 30 minutes ago, now it's $3.32.

Still looking for cars on the side of the road empty of fuel and huge lines at the pumps due to a shortage.

 

[SampSon]

Why is sprawl "A PROBLEM?" Sure, it's more "efficient" to build up and not out, but since when is efficiency a goal of the average human's life? Many, many people value the benefits of suburban and rural living over those of living in a giant sardine can.

Like you said, the trade-off has been decided by many.

Because the more sprawl you have the more infrastructure you need to support the sprawl. Infrastructure is very expensive and costs the citizenship as a whole a lot more money to support it, even if the vast majority of them never use it. Taxation systems are not designed to account for this and the majority of the population ends up footing the bill for thoes who feel the need to live 100 miles from civilization. Do a search and some reading on suburban sprawl and you'll understand what I mean.

 

[rml]

It hurts even more as my mechanic suggested me to start using premium gas on my old old van.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: sicko
I get 8 miles to a gallon in my audi, I spend about 200 bucks on gas every week.

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[Coldkilla]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Clocker
Anyone else feeling this pinch?

Did you do a search for "gas" before posting this?

Don't like it, drive less.

Geeze, some people... Dude has to drive to work. Thats like saying..."Old? Don't want to get old? Well, then don't get old"... I can't believe some people

 

[holden j caufield]

Originally posted by: fire400

Originally posted by: sicko
I get 8 miles to a gallon in my audi, I spend about 200 bucks on gas every week.

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is this serious. does audi make a hummer size car?

 

[sindows]

Originally posted by: holden j caufield

Originally posted by: fire400

Originally posted by: sicko
I get 8 miles to a gallon in my audi, I spend about 200 bucks on gas every week.

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is this serious. does audi make a hummer size car?

Well not quite hummer sized but they do make the Q7 which is pretty large. But that figure isn't too surprising especially if you have a heavy right foot. If you wring your engine up to 4-5k every time you accelerate, you'll easily see single digits. Worse if you live in a heavily congested city...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eos
Talk about sticker shock today.

I left work Friday night and regular was $3.13 per gallon. Ick.

I come in this morning at 11:45 and it's 3.23. Double ick.

I leave for lunch 30 minutes ago, now it's $3.32.

Still looking for cars on the side of the road empty of fuel and huge lines at the pumps due to a shortage.

You mean you haven't seen any gas stations out of gas yet???

That can't according to the resident experts the refineries can't keep up with demand and that is the reason for increase in prices so we have to have shortages everywhere.