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ntdz

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Can you imagine the hell the kid would go through in school with gay parents?

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dornick
I think the best family unit consists of a mother and father, not two of one of those.

Maybe some "thinking" should be kept to themselves :roll:

Like Most of yours
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Can you imagine the hell the kid would go through in school with gay parents?

not really.

I went to grammer school with a girl who was being raised by her biological dad and his boyfriend... can't remember anyone ever making fun of her for it.

it's this whole thing called being tolerant I guess all the liberal commie parents in my town found the time to raise their kids well
 

dornick

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Originally posted by: dornick
I think the best family unit consists of a mother and father, not two of one of those.

Does any one disagree with this? While I don't think gay parents would be the best situation, I admit it would be a lot better than many other options out there. I'd imagine it's be somwhat similar to single parenting.

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
A few years ago they did an episode of 20/20 about kids being raised by gay parents. All the kids turned out normal and none of them were gay. I think the one boy raised by lesbian parents was actually really good with women.

What else could 20/20 conclude? I don't think homosexuality is as clear cut as people would like to believe. I think you can be somewhat influenced into a homosexual lifestyle. Not to say you can't be somewhat pre-disposed to it.
 

Emultra

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Being against gay people adopting and being for banning them from doing so are not the same.

The former without the latter is simply against it, on irrational or rational grounds.

The latter is a fascist.
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Emultra
Being against gay people adopting and being for banning them from doing so are not the same.

The former without the latter is simply against it, on irrational or rational grounds.

The latter is a fascist.

A very important distinction you just made there. Personally, I don't have any problem with the former. People disagree on things all the time, and this is not a problem until they start forcing their way on others. While the latter I dislike very such, as they are trying to impose their will on others.
 

Cerb

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Why not?
Why are people there for adoption? Oh yeah, they don't have EITHER a father or a mother. Having two of either and needing to seek the other elsewhere would certainly beat being shuffled around.

As far as the sexual stigma, there is no evidence to indicate that being raised by homosexuals has any effect on the child's sexuality.
 

cruiser1338

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Being in school, and having lesbian or gay parents is asking people to make fun of you, beat you up, because you come raised differently. I think that when gays raise a kid, it is missing an element (either a patriarch or a matriarch). Yes one of the members of the gay couple may be more amnnish or womannish than the other, but that is no substitute for a real man or woman.

Wrong in the extreme. They can't have them naturally, so they shouldn't be allowed to at all.
 

Emultra

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JackStorm: yes, exactly.


cruiser1338: you are asking the government to impose a will upon other individuals, thereby violating their right to life. If one individual donates his sperm, or gives a child up for adoption to another individual, you may not interfere with their consentual agreement.

You are grasping for straws when you say that because someone might be bullied, he should be the one to pay. When in fact, the bullies should pay. Surrendering to oppressors - even small ones on the schoolyard - is a bad thing.

You argument stating that they should not be allowed to have children because they cannot concieve them naturally has five fundamental flaws, and the refutations are as following:

1. They have the right to form consentual agreements with other people who can grant them the possibility of having children.

2. They will be able to concieve their own children in a future not far away. This may not by any means be prohibited.

3. You are suggesting that people - individuals - are acting only by the mercy and permission of the state, which is not true. People are to be free to do that which violates no rights, and only that which does so is to be prohibited.

4. There is also an error in suggesting that that which is not "natural" (an arbitrary term) should not only be disliked by outright banned with the threat of batons and jail cells behind it.

5. It is in the nature of humans to overcome natural limitations. Flying across continents, playing games with Koreans and Californians while residing in Sweden, heck, even curing illnesses and delivering otherwise doomed babies into this world would have been unthinkable - and indeed unnatural to the highest degree - in past times.

Now, because of these things and millions more, we are better off.

Furthermore, without the government, people would still have the right to freedom. That right does not come as clemency from the government, and if it violates that right it is better that the government be undone. For it is the undying duty of any legitimate state worth its name, to protect rights, not to trample on them. In the case that this happens, it is like an originally and initially nurturing parent gone bad and abusive: it is time to revolt.
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Emultra
People are to be free to do that which violates no rights, and only that which does so is to be prohibited.

Furthermore, without the government, people would still have the right to freedom. That right does not come as clemency from the government, and if the government violates that right it is better that the government be undone.

This is something I strongly agree with, I couldn't have said it better myself. Nice to see there are still people around who think this way.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: cruiser1338
Being in school, and having lesbian or gay parents is asking people to make fun of you, beat you up, because you come raised differently. I think that when gays raise a kid, it is missing an element (either a patriarch or a matriarch). Yes one of the members of the gay couple may be more amnnish or womannish than the other, but that is no substitute for a real man or woman.

Wrong in the extreme. They can't have them naturally, so they shouldn't be allowed to at all.


what about single parent families?
 

Emultra

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Thank you.

I always get frustrated when someone takes so lightly on fascist ideas. "Ban this!" and "ban that!" as if we were all slaves and living under some Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin world, and that it's alright!

There needs to be a much wider and renewed understanding and adherence to the individual rights and what they really mean.

I've never been to the US, but your founding fathers really meant what they said.
 

bozack

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being young these days is hard enough, last thing they need is something else to be ridiculed in school about....

While I don't think being raised in a homosexual houshold will advance homosexuality in the children themselves, but it will make them more accepting of it...and I am still of the mind that while homosexuality should be accepted it shouldn't be something promoted and or openly encouraged.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Kalmah
Allowing gays to adopt children would turn it into a diesease. Those children would pick up the traits from there 'parents'.. possibly turning the kids gay.

How long did it take you to crawl out from under that huge rock you have been hiding beneath? Uh, gay adoptions have been going on for years. You have some proof to your allegations?

*crickets*
 

Deptacon

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Originally posted by: dornick
I think the best family unit consists of a mother and father, not two of one of those.

yeah this is true, but its better than crappy foster homes etc....

this one is tough for me, becuase I don't really agree with gay marriage ( but i do agree with being able to share benefits etc, like a leagal partnership of some sort)

I will agree to gay adoption....with the following stipualtion

the ENTIRE adotpion system is overhauled, and more money and effort is put into checking o nthe children, and looking into the social backround of the households...

the program needs more oversite. more lead time before the family is givin the ok, like at least a year or 2 into the adoption.

but tis stil ltough for me, its gonna be hard for a kid to grow up around that. being mad efun of at school ad stuff, that leads to a lot fo bad things for a kid in ju ior high and high school. so, iagree, but with MUCH caution.
 

Deptacon

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dornick
I think the best family unit consists of a mother and father, not two of one of those.

Maybe some "thinking" should be kept to themselves :roll:


sometimes i wish yours would be kept to yourself too. your opinions arent the only ones that want to be expressed.
 

kogase

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Concerned about the children... because they will be ridiculed in school? Okay. You should send my dad to jail for driving me to school with long hair and a t-shirt with a naked woman on it. Took me a while to live that one down. Or when he gave me a haircut that ended up looking like one of the Three Stooges. I heard about that one for a while. What the hell is this? Kids may be made fun of, but if they are worth a damn, their peers will get bored of that after a while. I grew up with only my dad, and around many of his gay friends. I'm neither seriously defficient in any way nor gay.

Edit: It should be neither/nor.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: kogase
Concerned about the children... because they will be ridiculed in school? Okay. You should send my dad to jail for driving me to school with long hair and a t-shirt with a naked woman on it. Took me a while to live that one down. Or when he gave me a haircut that ended up looking like one of the Three Stooges. I heard about that one for a while. What the hell is this? Kids may be made fun of, but if they are worth a damn, their peers will get bored of that after a while. I grew up with only my dad, and around many of his gay friends. I'm neither seriously defficient in any way or gay.


yeah, im still wondering what the logic is if a child "should have a mother and father" if one looks at single parent homes (especially where the single parent bit is out of human control)
i can understand the argument that "it would be best to have mother and father" but i cant understand the "two parents of the same gender? no kids for you, buddy"
i also agree with the above suggested "overhaul" of our abortion system. but at the same time, you dont want people checking on the kid for their entire childhood.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Emultra
Neither marriage nor adoption is any business of the state.


You are perhaps morally right about the former... but completely wrong about the latter.
 

Emultra

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I am not wrong. The only legitimate purpose of the state is to protect the individual rights.
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: Emultra
I am not wrong. The only legitimate purpose of the state is to protect the individual rights.

Except the state is the only one who can take responsibility for thousands of children with no parents or other guardians. They are therefore also responsible for seeing these children off to prospective guardians.

The state, therefore, decides whether you are fit to adopt a child. You can argue as to whether or not the state should exclude gay parents, but you can't argue that the state has no business in the matter.

Edit: Exclusion.
 

azazyel

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The whole "being made fun of at school" argument is ridiculous. A kid will get far more crap for having a funny name then the sexual orientation of their parents.

Also, does it matter to the anti people that more and more dad's are staying at home while mommy works? I mean what kind of message is that sending to the kids!
 

mordantmonkey

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No kids won't get made fun of for having gay parents. Your kids will be too busy making fun of the ones that act "gay".
 
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