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Weird choice of baseline CPU and even weird is that the baseline score is 2500.
i7-12700 does hardly 2000 in GB5 with the fastest DDR5.
Or it could look like this:If you had written that 10 years ago you could substitute 80% get by with 1 core just fine, 19% 2 cores and 1% 4 cores. People are buying/using what the market is selling, but for the average person who hardly ever runs anything other than a browser - accessing their email in it, opening PDFs or word docs in it, etc. - 1 core would still be plenty if they still sold single core PCs with one of Intel or AMD's current high end cores with decent cache and clock speed. The needs of that average person haven't changed in 10 years, and the performance requirement to run Windows haven't either. Browsers are more heavyweight but that's mainly reflected in how much RAM they use rather than how much they load the CPU.
People are spoiled nowadays, and when they open up task manager think every active thread needs its own core or they will be bogged down lol
So what consumer workload do you claim that to be?Or it could look like this:
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Newer Games like Cyberpunk run terrible on 4 cores 8 thread Cpu, 6 cores 12 thread have Become minimum nowadays. Even in Site like Steams more than 50% of Gamers use 6 core or more.Normal people do not need 16 cores. Period.
Only the enthusiasts, such people who you may found on a forum like this one, may find use for such a larger number of cores.
If you take all the people on the planet who own a computer - laptop or a pc:
Normal people benefit from increasing performance per core, and they need just a few of powerful cores.
- 80% could get by with 4 cores just fine
- 19% could require for what they do on the computer 8 cores, but they could survive with 4 cores as well, occasionally feeling restricted
- 1% could require for what they do on the computer more than 8 cores, but they could survive with 8 cores as well, occasionally feeling restricted
All those chips with large number of cores which are now available on the consumer platforms will be on average massively underutilised.
Those few enthused consumers are lucky that they can purchase such powerful CPUs on the cheapest consumer platform.
Trying to apply a mindset of a miniscule sliver of all computer users to everybody is foolish.
Don't you know? People buy high-core count CPUs to run the #1 application in the world: Cinebench.So what consumer workload do you claim that to be?
Fully agree with your other handOn the other hand, I do think a benchmark should show a full potential of hardware, and let users form their own preferences. Trying to influence it via opaque scoring system feels shady.
I can't wait for the latest issue of Car and Driver where they rank the world's fastest cars. I hear it's a 10 way tie, they all got up to 75 on the interstate and obviously no one needs to be breaking the speed limit or anything.
Ehhh.. Honestly I think my joking backhanded analogy is more accurate than that, but there's not really a good car analogy that I can think of that really applies. If you really wanted to compare it to hauling, it'd be like saying one company has 8 of it's best trucks and 16 smaller trucks, while another company has 96 fast trucks all of the same design. If you just need a single load hauled, how fast can you get it from point A to point B?Flat out speed is essentially what Geekbench ST is measuring. MT is measuring something more akin to towing capacity, where some people might whine about wanting to see numbers for "what's the heaviest load I can tow over level ground". Even though in the real world people are towing stuff up (and down!) mountains, in rain or ice, in 110F or -40F, etc. and the numbers they would arrive it for max towing capacity are far lower than the idealized numbers that would be reported by Geekbench 5 MT equivalent for towing capacity.
The GB5 MT test for towing would probably be something like tying together trailers loaded with scrap iron and towing them down an airport runway. Look this F350 can tow 200,000 lbs, yay! And after people criticize it as unrealistic someone would claim that test approximates their real world use of towing a few trailers full of soybeans down a flat farm road to the grain elevator.
So why is it that some people in this thread insist that Yelp should provide regular people with content for factory logistics? Somehow the "average Joe truck analogy" quickly derailed into a fleet management spreadsheet simulation.The factory farm that has 10000 tons of soybeans to bring to the terminal can fill a couple runs of even the second company's fleet of 96 super B's, and doesn't give a *beep* about Yelp reviews.
I disagree. There are a lot going on even a commoner's desktop these days, be that Windows or Mac. A single-core CPU will get bogged down simply downloading a game installer. Athlon X2 and Pentium D came out 20 years ago. We are way past the single-core era.If you had written that 10 years ago you could substitute 80% get by with 1 core just fine, 19% 2 cores and 1% 4 cores. People are buying/using what the market is selling, but for the average person who hardly ever runs anything other than a browser - accessing their email in it, opening PDFs or word docs in it, etc. - 1 core would still be plenty if they still sold single core PCs with one of Intel or AMD's current high end cores with decent cache and clock speed. The needs of that average person haven't changed in 10 years, and the performance requirement to run Windows haven't either. Browsers are more heavyweight but that's mainly reflected in how much RAM they use rather than how much they load the CPU.
People are spoiled nowadays, and when they open up task manager think every active thread needs its own core or they will be bogged down lol
I disagree. There are a lot going on even a commoner's desktop these days, be that Windows or Mac. A single-core CPU will get bogged down simply downloading a game installer. Athlon X2 and Pentium D came out 20 years ago. We are way past the single-core era.
A Zen 4/Raptor P core/ M2 P cores are very powerful. Even a single one these is fine for installing games and web browsing.We are talking about Windows after all. Just like running Windows on an HDD is sheer torture in terms of waiting for everything to load before you can use your PC without lag, it is possible that getting to the CPU idle state after boot with a single core may take way longer than anyone is prepared to wait. May check it out on my 12700K this weekend.
we had Pentium G3258 dual core unlocked Cpu during haswell era, some Games couldnt be installed because it had only 2 thread. Far Cry 4 is one of those games which need minimum 4 thread, unless you patch installer.A Zen 4/Raptor P core/ M2 P cores are very powerful. Even a single one these is fine for installing games and web browsing.
Windows is good these days unlike the XP/Vista era.
Ι used a 2/4 CPU (G6900 or something? Don't remember) while I was waiting for RMA, I can't say it was dreadful, but it was a pretty mediocre experience. Your everyday user can definitely feel the difference with an actual 4c CPU even for normal everyday tasks like browsing excel word and the likes. Over 4c diminishing returns start kicking in for those simple tasks.LOL at one modern core still being enough for most users. Windows update alone will crush your dream. Try it and report back, you will be disappoint.
And does GB 6 MT scale well up to 4 cores and then starts showing diminishing return? Honest question, I have yet to analyze scaling of GB 6Over 4c diminishing returns start kicking in for those simple tasks.
"Work fine". Even back in the day the change from 1 to 2 threads was significant. I'd say the change in basic responsiveness is best compared to the switch from HDD to SSDIt's possible Win7 can work fine with 1C/1T.
Yeah, I guess with a single thread, the majority of the CPU time is wasted doing context switches to shuffle between all the process threads. Very little actual work gets done by the poor CPU.Even back in the day the change from 1 to 2 threads was significant.