GeForce 2 Ti

Soumaxeridis

Junior Member
Dec 17, 2001
11
0
0
Has anyone seen a benchmark of the new Hercules 3D Prophet II Titanium?
It is a very interesting card with a much more interesting price. Not all of us can afford a GeForce 3!

This card runs at 250/250 which is much faster than the default Nvidia 250/200 setting. It's even faster than the Geforce 2 Ultra that runs at 250/220. Considering the importance of memory speed in current video cards it must make quite a difference!
So why isn't there a benchmark and a comparison with other GeForce 2 Ti cards?
Comments are welcome
 

Rand

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
11,071
1
81
I'm not sure if I've seen any benchmarks of it, but I have quite a bit of first hand experience with hercules GF2 Ti card.
First I should correct a few things though, it runs at 250/200 by default which is exactly the same as nVidia's specifications for the GF2 Ti chipset.
It does however use 4ns DDR SDRAM which in theory is rated for 250MHz DDR operation, so while theoretically it should be able to clock to 250/250 it does not default as said speed.

The GF2 Ultra's default clockspeed is 250/230.
As you said, the GF2 core is primarily memory bandwidth limited so every last bit of bandwidth can have a significant impact upon performance.

My comments upon Hercules card in particular: It's well built and should be quite reliable but that's to be expected from the well reputed Gullemot/Hercules. It comes stock with TV-Out which may be useful to some. It has decent though not great GPU cooling, and comes with ramsinks which should potentially aid in memory overclocking, as stated above it also has 4ns DDR SDRAM which in theory should aid in overclocking considerably.


One slight downfall to the card is that the 2D image quality is somewhat disappointing. While it's not terribly bad, it does fall prey to nVidia's somewhat poor reputation in that regard. Still, the 2D is more then adequate unless your looking to run at resolutions of 1280x1024 or above in which case you might be better off passing on Hercules card.

The largest downfall to the card IMHO is that despite the 4ns DDR SDRAM used which should in theory allow it to be an excellent overclocker, the GF2 TI from Hercules seems to be among the worst overclocking Ti's. Be it that their not supplying enough voltage to the RAM or they've simply chosen some rather sub-par 4ns RAM I can't say.... but having tested 3 GF2 Ti's from Hercules, even the best of them managed a somewhat disppointing 230MHz memory clock. My experiences seem to be the common trend, as the vast majority of posters on Hercules own message board have expressed significant disappointment with the card as despite it's 4ns RAM very few boards seem able to clock to even 230MHz memory clock.

Given that the board is priced slightly higher then most other GF2 Ti's, I find it hard to recommend if your looking for a Ti that will overclock well.
There are a few other boards that have displayed consistently better overclocking resoluts for a lower or competitive price so I'd personally pass on Hercules model.
 

rogue1979

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2001
3,062
0
0
I got the Gainward Geforce2 Ti500 for $136 at newegg. It has VIVO and came with 4ns and Ram sinks. Currently running 275/522 with stock cooling. I found a French site that showed a comparison with this card at 270/520 and a Geforce 3 Ti200 at stock speed. The Geforce2 Ti was slightly ahead. While this is an excellent card and is very fast, now that newegg has the PNY Geforce3 Ti200 with 4ns Ram for $168 it might be worth the spending the extra $32. Because with the Geforce 3 Ti200 overclocked at 220/520 the Geforce2 Ti gets left behind in the dust.
 

Rand

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
11,071
1
81


<< I found a French site that showed a comparison with this card at 270/520 and a Geforce 3 Ti200 at stock speed. The Geforce2 Ti was slightly ahead. >>



By any chance do you have a link to that review?
The majority of the reviews I've seen of Gainward's GF2 Ti/500 put it a ways below the stock GF3 Ti200 in most instances even when the GF2 Ti is heavily overclocked.

FWIW, PixelView also has a GF2 Ti with 4ns DDR SDRAM which seems to be an excellent overclocker, though beyond that I'm not terribly familiar with PixelView's products so i'd be slightly hesitant to recommend it.
Gainward of course has their GF2 Ti/500 with 4ns DDR SDRAM which is an excellent overclocker. The also have their GF2 Ti/450 which is in fact a card that I just ordered a day ago. It comes wth 4.5ns DDR SDRAM, and from the reviews I've seen overclocks almost as well as Gainwards's Ti/500 model.
The Gainward GF2 Ti/450 is available for under $100 US without TV-Out, and for about $110-115 with TV-Out.
 

rogue1979

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2001
3,062
0
0
I have been searching google for the French site, some obscure untitled link and I can't find it yet, but I am still looking. I have another thread about the Gainward Pro 450. I modded the resistors to a Quadro2 Pro, flashed the bios to a Nvidia reference bios for the Quadro 2 and overclocked to 220/467. Default 3Dmark 2001 was 4900 pts. Great bang for the buck.
 

oldfart

Lifer
Dec 2, 1999
10,207
0
0
I had a Herc GF2 Pro and it had the worst 2D quality I have ever seen bar none. It was just a blurry mess. I would be leery of any Herc GF2 product after seeing that one.
 

Soumaxeridis

Junior Member
Dec 17, 2001
11
0
0
I am concerned about 2D quality, I have a 19' monitor and I use a 1280x960 resolution.

Is there any difference in 2D quality between different card brands?
Does anybody know which card is better at 2D quality?

Is Geforce 3 Ti better than Geforce 2 Ti at 2D quality?
 

Rand

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
11,071
1
81


<< I am concerned about 2D quality, I have a 19' monitor and I use a 1280x960 resolution.

Is there any difference in 2D quality between different card brands?
Does anybody know which card is better at 2D quality?

Is Geforce 3 Ti better than Geforce 2 Ti at 2D quality?
>>




There can be a huge difference in 2D between different brands of cards.
The GF3 Ti isnt inherently any better in terms of 2D then the GF2 is. There are GF3 cards with very decent 2D, and some with terrible 2D.... just as it's been with the GF2.

Elsa, VisionTek, and Gainward all offer excellent 2D. With Gainward marginally edging out Elsa and VisionTek.
LeadTek is also reasonably good, but not quite up to par with the above.

Gainward's 2D is IMHO roughly equal to that of ATi's Radeon, and very slightly inferior to the 3dfx V3/4/5. Matrox is still the king of 2D of course, but then they've long held that position.
If your running at 1280x960 then any of the LeadTek, VisionTek, Elsa, Gainward should be good enough.
 

rogue1979

Diamond Member
Mar 14, 2001
3,062
0
0
Rand, that's a pretty accurate description on the overall 2D quality of various video cards, I agree completely. I would either choose the Gainward 450 for $102 shipped at newegg, or the PNY Geforce3 Ti 200 for $168. The 2D on both is good, but the Gainward is the best. I guess for $136 you could get the Gainward Geforce2 Ti 500, but that's $34 more for 10-15% increase.
 

bunnyfubbles

Lifer
Sep 3, 2001
12,248
3
0


<< Sumthin' ain't right here >>

You got that right, the link you posted is comparing apples to apples. That isn't a Gainward GeForce 2 Ti they are comparing to a GeForce 3, that is Gainward's GeForce 3 Ti 200 (called Ti 450 by Gainward...). It show's Gainward's board outperforming the other Ti 200 and the original GeForce 3 when the Gainward Ti 450 is overclocked, and it isn't overclocked near what you have your GF2 Ti clocked at.

Gainward's GeForce2 Ti/500 is most likely the fastest GF2 in mass production today, but that doesn't mean it can touch a GeForce 3 Ti 200. In newer games and/or in higher resolutions and/or FSAA enabled and/or with a fast CPU backing up the video board, a GF3 Ti 200 could easily put down a heavily overclocked GF2 Ti. Now if the CPU isn't incredibly fast and you run your games in lower resolutoins and do not care for FSAA, then the Gainward GF2 Ti 500 may be an awesome board, especially for the great 2D quality and VIVO. It's lower price (compared to GF3 Ti 200s...) is also not a bad thing
 

MrPabulum

Platinum Member
Jul 24, 2000
2,356
0
0
I'm running a Gainward Geforce 2Ti 450 w/ TV-Out at a resolution of 1280X1024, and the 2D quality is on par with the Radeon. From my experience, Asus also has good 2D filtering. Not as good as Gainward's, but nice nevertheless.
 

sitka

Senior member
Dec 29, 2000
895
0
0
Just to add a little to the GF2 Ti pot. Just ordered THIS.
It comes in various configs. And ebay had a 32meg version probably without TV or DVI-I but the price was good for a friend.
It just seems ~$80 shipped for a near Ultra 32mb is too good to pass up. Time will tell though if it is junk.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |