Geforce GTX 295 previews

[nosfe]

tgdaily actually(not that they're much better), the inq estimated the cost at 150$

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: nosfe
i dunno, when i've googled "manufacturing cost of the GT200 die" i've found an article mentioning 100-110$ cost/die(and a ton of other articles that linked to that one)

Yes its amazing what you'll find with all the Holiday Inn Express economics employed on various blogs and web forums. There were even some estimates pricing them as high as $200 each! At that price, buying a GTX 260 for $180 is like Nvidia paying you!

 

[nosfe]

well, to their defense, the yields inevitably improve over time so it's likely that the price/die was higher back then

 

[Keysplayr]

How about enough of what things cost the companies, and how about more of what it costs us, and what we get for that cost. I'm just getting a little weary of everyone talking about things that really don't concern computer hardware buyers as if to incorporate it into a discussion as if it matters. Look at the prices everyone. Look at what YOU would be paying. I honestly don't know who started this whole thing, but I would like to see it end here. Prices are very reasonable here all around. So please folks, stop gabbing away about things that really do not matter, at all. To us.

 

[rjc]

nm

 

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[Cookie Monster]

More detailed pics of the GTX295 both exterior and interior by PCGH. Its interesting to note the use of a NF200 chip and 2x NVIO chips.

pics from PCGH

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
More detailed pics of the GTX295 both exterior and interior by PCGH. Its interesting to note the use of a NF200 chip and 2x NVIO chips.

pics from PCGH

My own picture of the GTX295's cooling secret

My experiences with this beast have only been positive so far.

BTW- I'm under NDA till the launch, but I'll have benches at 25X16 then, with some comparison of QX9650 to i7.

 

[Grinja]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I won't even look at DX11 cards until after DX11 games rollout. The cards that release after the first round of dx11 games will be the ones I'll look at. It's like DX10. Cards came and no games, then games came out and performance was terrible. Took a bit to catch up. Maybe that won't happen this time with DX11, who knows. We'll see won't we? Of course we'll cross those bridges when we come to them.

Even though DX10 did not take off DX10 cards are still the best (if not only choice) for latest DX 9 games such as COD 4.

Edit: Okay 'latest' may not be accurate but you get the picture.

 

[chizow]

PCGH - 5 games with 8xAA Tested 4870x2 vs GTX 295

Confirms bandwidth and/or VRAM issues in 2 games for the GTX 295, as it falls off badly with 8xAA at 2560 in Crysis and Fallout 3. No major surprise as these titles are some of the most texture intensive around.

GTX 295 however wins by a similar margin over the 4870x2 in 3 other titles at 2560 with 8xAA - Far Cry 2, WaW and L4D.

Overall the 295 is still the faster card in this review I'd definitely look at overclocking the memory if interested in the 295 as bandwidth looks to be slowing it considerably.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Grinja

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I won't even look at DX11 cards until after DX11 games rollout. The cards that release after the first round of dx11 games will be the ones I'll look at. It's like DX10. Cards came and no games, then games came out and performance was terrible. Took a bit to catch up. Maybe that won't happen this time with DX11, who knows. We'll see won't we? Of course we'll cross those bridges when we come to them.

Even though DX10 did not take off DX10 cards are still the best (if not only choice) for latest DX 9 games such as COD 4.

Edit: Okay 'latest' may not be accurate but you get the picture.

The point is, I'm not buying first revision DX11 cards hoping to play non existent DX11 games. When the games come out the performance these cards give will be horrible. That's my assumption anyway.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: nRollo
My own picture of the GTX295's cooling secret

Exceptional accessory bundle. I'll take two! :thumbsup:

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: nRollo
My own picture of the GTX295's cooling secret

Exceptional accessory bundle. I'll take two! :thumbsup:

LOL...+2

 

[Hauk]

GTX 295 SLI tested @ 705Mhz (core), 1480Mhz (shader), 1250Mhz (memory). Their vantage score is nice, but that guy who posted GTX 280 Tri on water scored over 3K higher. I score around 30K with Tri 260's & i920 @ 3.7. They used beta drivers, and Physix may be disabled though. Seems they should score higher.

We'll no doubt see GTX 285 Tri-Sli vs. GTX 295 Sli posts soon. Depending on GTX 285 pricing, the platforms may be close in cost, TDP, etc. Clocks, memory interface, some other variables. Nice topic IMO

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
The point is, I'm not buying first revision DX11 cards hoping to play non existent DX11 games. When the games come out the performance these cards give will be horrible. That's my assumption anyway.

Actually, you may already own one since you have a GTX280.

DirectX 10, which was first released in 2006, required DX10-specific hardware, creating a clearly-defined split between it and DX9. "We created a discontinuity; that was deliberate," Satchell said during his address, but DX11 will be compatible with DX10 hardware.

"DX11 is totally compatible with DX10. There's not that 9/10 discontinuity we created before," he said.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-b..._index.php?story=19522

If this is true, DX10/DX10.1 cards will also be first gen DX11 hardware.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: chizow
PCGH - 5 games with 8xAA Tested 4870x2 vs GTX 295

Confirms bandwidth and/or VRAM issues in 2 games for the GTX 295, as it falls off badly with 8xAA at 2560 in Crysis and Fallout 3. No major surprise as these titles are some of the most texture intensive around.

GTX 295 however wins by a similar margin over the 4870x2 in 3 other titles at 2560 with 8xAA - Far Cry 2, WaW and L4D.

Overall the 295 is still the faster card in this review I'd definitely look at overclocking the memory if interested in the 295 as bandwidth looks to be slowing it considerably.

So maybe someone smarter than myself can explain how the GTX 295 is getting OVER twice the framerates of the GTX 280 in some cases. The GTX 295 being less powerful than two GTX 280s seems like it would be impossible to ever achieve twice the framerate, especially with SLI/Crossfires inherent overhead.

Seems like I remember some benchmarks of the 4870X2 doing the same thing when it first came out.

 

[JPB]

I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: JPB
I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

I suspect EVGA will be selling them as soon as NDA lifts. EVGA gets a big :thumbsup: for having fair step-up prices and excellent service. Superb company. I wish they made more stuff..

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: JPB
I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

I suspect EVGA will be selling them as soon as NDA lifts. EVGA gets a big :thumbsup: for having fair step-up prices and excellent service. Superb company. I wish they made more stuff..

They are a superb company, no doubts there. Probably the best nVidia partner. But the step-up feature really doesn't cost them much money and it probably doesn't save you money. Especially when you can normally find the exact same card from other E-Tailers lower than their MSRP. So when you step up, you pay shipping and MSRP for the next card and the difference of what you paid for your card is what you are charged. In many cases you would be better off selling your card to a friend at a very fair price right when a Hot Deals post is made to purchase the card you want. Everyone wins in that situations... Just my opinion on it. They are really a good company though.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: JPB
I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

I suspect EVGA will be selling them as soon as NDA lifts. EVGA gets a big :thumbsup: for having fair step-up prices and excellent service. Superb company. I wish they made more stuff..

They are a superb company, no doubts there. Probably the best nVidia partner. But the step-up feature really doesn't cost them much money and it probably doesn't save you money. Especially when you can normally find the exact same card from other E-Tailers lower than their MSRP. So when you step up, you pay shipping and MSRP for the next card and the difference of what you paid for your card is what you are charged. In many cases you would be better off selling your card to a friend at a very fair price right when a Hot Deals post is made to purchase the card you want. Everyone wins in that situations... Just my opinion on it. They are really a good company though.

Except that you get your full value that you paid for the original card towards the new card. Card prices can drop dramatically in 3 months, as well all have seen. It is alot better to get 100% of the purchase price towards your new card then have to sell it on ebay or FS/FT at current market value for your used card.

It doesnt always work, though, like you said. EVGA doesnt always move the MSRP, so if you can get a great deal at Newegg or somewhere else, the sell/buy method would work.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: JPB
I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

I suspect EVGA will be selling them as soon as NDA lifts. EVGA gets a big :thumbsup: for having fair step-up prices and excellent service. Superb company. I wish they made more stuff..

They are a superb company, no doubts there. Probably the best nVidia partner. But the step-up feature really doesn't cost them much money and it probably doesn't save you money. Especially when you can normally find the exact same card from other E-Tailers lower than their MSRP. So when you step up, you pay shipping and MSRP for the next card and the difference of what you paid for your card is what you are charged. In many cases you would be better off selling your card to a friend at a very fair price right when a Hot Deals post is made to purchase the card you want. Everyone wins in that situations... Just my opinion on it. They are really a good company though.

Except that you get your full value that you paid for the original card towards the new card. Card prices can drop dramatically in 3 months, as well all have seen. It is alot better to get 100% of the purchase price towards your new card then have to sell it on ebay or FS/FT at current market value for your used card.

It doesnt always work, though, like you said. EVGA doesnt always move the MSRP, so if you can get a great deal at Newegg or somewhere else, the sell/buy method would owrk.

Very true. I think it really pans out well for the end user when a new micro-architecture is released, since that really does drive the prices down immediately. For a side step upgrade from say, a 260GTX to a 260GTX 55nm I would probably skip the step-up method. All depends like you said...

 

[ArchAngel777]

On another note, the 295GTX looks like a promising card. Can't say I will ever get a Multi-GPU setup until they are more refined, but if I were to buy one, this would be it.

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: SteelSix

Originally posted by: JPB
I am wondering if the GTX295 will be released within the next 37 days. That is when my step-up runs out. But if not, I guess I would have to settle for a GTX260 Core 216 55nm.

But I would *much* rather have the GTX295.

I suspect EVGA will be selling them as soon as NDA lifts. EVGA gets a big :thumbsup: for having fair step-up prices and excellent service. Superb company. I wish they made more stuff..

They are a superb company, no doubts there. Probably the best nVidia partner. But the step-up feature really doesn't cost them much money and it probably doesn't save you money. Especially when you can normally find the exact same card from other E-Tailers lower than their MSRP. So when you step up, you pay shipping and MSRP for the next card and the difference of what you paid for your card is what you are charged. In many cases you would be better off selling your card to a friend at a very fair price right when a Hot Deals post is made to purchase the card you want. Everyone wins in that situations... Just my opinion on it. They are really a good company though.

Except that you get your full value that you paid for the original card towards the new card. Card prices can drop dramatically in 3 months, as well all have seen. It is alot better to get 100% of the purchase price towards your new card then have to sell it on ebay or FS/FT at current market value for your used card.

It doesnt always work, though, like you said. EVGA doesnt always move the MSRP, so if you can get a great deal at Newegg or somewhere else, the sell/buy method would owrk.

Very true. I think it really pans out well for the end user when a new micro-architecture is released, since that really does drive the prices down immediately. For a side step upgrade from say, a 260GTX to a 260GTX 55nm I would probably skip the step-up method. All depends like you said...

Yea it's pretty much a given you'll lose some money, be it ebay/paypal fees, step-up shipping fees, etc. Price to pay if you want the latest and greatest. I planned my upgrade path to 55nm, just wanted to play with 260's in tri for a while. You're right though, 55nm 260's wouldn't be a step-up. I was planning on a couple 285's but these 295's are looking better every day. I'd have to grab two though to make it worthwhile. Nothing like a little overkill.. :evil:

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: SteelSix
Yea it's pretty much a given you'll lose some money, be it ebay/paypal fees, step-up shipping fees, etc. Price to pay if you want the latest and greatest. I planned my upgrade path to 55nm, just wanted to play with 260's in tri for a while. You're right though, 55nm 260's wouldn't be a step-up. I was planning on a couple 285's but these 295's are looking better every day. I'd have to grab two though to make it worthwhile. Nothing like a little overkill.. :evil;

Yea tell me about it. My current video resolution does not do my rig justice. Now I have to go get a better monitor....the cycle continues. Its a sickness that I see in many other people on this forum

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: SteelSix
Yea it's pretty much a given you'll lose some money, be it ebay/paypal fees, step-up shipping fees, etc. Price to pay if you want the latest and greatest. I planned my upgrade path to 55nm, just wanted to play with 260's in tri for a while. You're right though, 55nm 260's wouldn't be a step-up. I was planning on a couple 285's but these 295's are looking better every day. I'd have to grab two though to make it worthwhile. Nothing like a little overkill.. :evil;

Yea tell me about it. My current video resolution does not do my rig justice. Now I have to go get a better monitor....the cycle continues. Its a sickness that I see in many other people on this forum

I ask myself, "when does it end?"

Self answers now, "it never ends.."