Geforce3 what now??

JH68

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I have the leadtek geforce3 i was think on upgrading it. I was think about going to ati b/c i feel nvidia has dropped the ball. This is what i have in my computer. Rig

So what are some ideas???
 

JH68

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I will be spending around $200. I play C&C generals, warcraft3, and sim city4.
 

Mingon

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Get a faster CPU - maybe memory, your geforce 3 is still good enough for the games you play. Alternatively wait for nv40 / r420 and see what they perform like + they will further drive down costs.
 

Blastman

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Gigacube makes a ? ?Ultimate Extreme Version??of the 9600pro. It comes with 2.5ns Samsungs and is clocked 400/365 DDR --- quite a bit faster than the normal 9600 pro?s 400/300. With the fast memory it will probably outrun a 9600XT.

The Gigacube runs about $180 ? see...

komusa

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VIAN

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I think your graphics card is fine for now, but i heard that you need a lot of RAM and a Quick CPU for those games like C&C and simcity
 

LeoMael

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Whoa! A 2.53GHz P4 is considered slow? Isn't that still fast enough to play those games? It's only been a year hasn't it?
 

bunnyfubbles

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CPU is plenty fast and so is the ram, old school RDRAM might be unpopular but it never was a slouch, was king of the P4 until dual channel DDR came into play. CPU speed is plenty fast, especially for an older chipset and ram. doubling the ram to 1GB might be good as well but then again it might not be wise to invest in RDRAM at all, 512MB should definately be enough for almost anygame, I think of it as the standard now these days although it certianly never hurts to be a step ahead.

I think the rest of the rig is fine and that the GeForce 3 is most definately the most influential bottleneck in the rig. A new graphics card could definately breath new life into games, but before you bite you really need to ask youself, "do I need this upgrade?" I say this because I compete online in games, and I usually don't need a new video card until I think my peformance might not be up to part or at least waning in light of other players and only if my frames could be a little smoother I could possibly be better and regain advantage I once had earlier on. That or I get new games that just run bad on my current rig, which is far more rare than the previous reason. I've gone from a 64MB retail 8500 on a desktop to a 128MB mobile 9600 and the difference is night and day. Not only does the 9600 allow me to play all of my previous games at 1600x1200, it runs them faster at that resolution than my 8500 could on a lower resolution such as 1280x1024 or 1024x768. That and I can play newer games smoother and actually can consider messing with AA and AF. Certainly is nice for a refresh but I could still more than survive on my 8500 if I needed to, and there are few new games that I'm actually interested in that my 8500 can't handle reasonably.
 

Waltar

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Originally posted by: Blastman
Gigacube makes a ? ?Ultimate Extreme Version??of the 9600pro. It comes with 2.5ns Samsungs and is clocked 400/365 DDR --- quite a bit faster than the normal 9600 pro?s 400/300. With the fast memory it will probably outrun a 9600XT.

The Gigacube runs about $180 ? see...

komusa

dvcentury

For $20 bucks more you could get a 9600tx. Or the 5600ultra rev 2, which beats the 9600 pro in most benchmarks. Seems like a dumb move.

Right now the GF3 is fine if you don't mind 1024 with everything on medium depending on the game. I'd personally wait another month for the 9600tx and 5700 ultra.
 

CJP

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I just went from a Leadtek Ti500 Geforce 3 to a Radeon 9800 np on my P4 1.8ghz system and I'm pretty pleased with it. Good performance for the cost I think.
 

BudAshes

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Id say go hit up the forsale forum you can probably find a 9700 pro for between 210 and 230. The 9700 pro is really just one awesome card.
 

Mingon

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I still say upgrade the cpu, a geforce 3 is not much slower than a 9600 in most dx8 games and the newer card are due in 4 months. Dont forget you can eb@y your current cpu and still have money left over and a nice boost in speed.
 

JH68

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Well i did upgrade to a full gig of memory now, but i still think i want to upgrade my geforce3. I was think about the asus 9600xt. Any thoughts? Is my 2.53 CPU not powerful enough to last me awhile?
 

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Originally posted by: Mingon
I still say upgrade the cpu.......

Are we kidding or sth anyway????:Q
Is this platform ready to ditch and the GF3 "enough for it"?? Okay the games he plays are not heavy even for a P4@1,5Ghz or a GF3Ti200 but this greatly differs from consulting people to upgrade from 2.5Ghz just because the new P4s are out....:|
Upgrading anything makes sense only when you need to.....
 

EarthwormJim

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Makes absolutely no sense to upgrade his cpu, a 2.53 p4 is plenty fast and will probobly be good enough even a year and a half from now. Don't waste your time with a 9600 pro or xt, go with a 9800np. They can be had for around $230 at Best Buy (if you can find one not sold out) or $250 at Circuit City.
 

FFactory0x

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Originally posted by: Mingon
Get a faster CPU - maybe memory, your geforce 3 is still good enough for the games you play. Alternatively wait for nv40 / r420 and see what they perform like + they will further drive down costs.


Faster CPU????????????? He has a 2.5ghz p4!
 

modedepe

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Originally posted by: JH68
Well i did upgrade to a full gig of memory now, but i still think i want to upgrade my geforce3. I was think about the asus 9600xt. Any thoughts? Is my 2.53 CPU not powerful enough to last me awhile?

Your cpu is fine. I don't know what the deal is with some of these people saying to upgrade it. Even if you were going to upgrade, to make a noticeable difference you'd want to get an athlon64 or top of the line p4. You can get a fx5900 for $200 after rebate at best buy or for $220 at newegg. That would be an excellent upgrade. Also a 9700 would be excellent. Both of those cost just a little more than a 9600xt but should give much more performance.
 

Nohr

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I'd recommend spending a little extra and getting a FX 5900 non-ultra. A 9700 Pro or a 9800 non-pro would also be excellent. Any of the three would blow the 9600 series out of the water.
 

Lonyo

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An FX5900 would not be an excellent upgrade compared to a 9800non-pro (if you can find one) or even a 9700Pro.
This is because, in the 3 games specified, the ATi cards are better than the nVidia cards, hence when looking at equally priced 9800np and 5900nu (they're equally priced in the UK at least), the sensible option woul dbe the 9800 as it will be faster in the games the poster wants to play than the 5900nu.
All 3 would blow a 9600 out of the water, but the Radeon cards are the better option.

SC4k And again
Warcraft 3
C&C Generals And again

I would suggest upgrading to a 9800non-pro if you can find one, the next best option would probably be a 9700 card. Although you can draw your own conclusions from the performance results.
 

nRollo

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Get a faster CPU - maybe memory, your geforce 3 is still good enough for the games you play. Alternatively wait for nv40 / r420 and see what they perform like + they will further drive down costs.

Good advice there


He could add about 3fps by going to faster CPU, or 20fps by going to a FX5900 or 9700np. Makes sense to me!
 

Mingon

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He could add about 3fps by going to faster CPU, or 20fps by going to a FX5900 or 9700np. Makes sense to me!

Read what I said properly
for the games he plays his card is fast enough, in directx 8 games it is as quick as a 9600pro. He would gain far more upgrading his cpu and ram, and not just through gaming. A p4 3.06 would make a nice addition to his rig and leave him sufficient cash from the sale of his current cpu ($100+) to put towards a newer generation card early 2004.
 

JH68

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The reason i thought the asus 9600xt would be a good choice is b/c of the features (hardware monitoring, video in/out, dual output) it has plus free half life 2. I would like the asus 9800xt but its rather high. Do any of the 9800's non or pro have the same features has the xt's? How long would the xt last me if i got it?
 

nRollo

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He would gain far more upgrading his cpu and ram, and not just through gaming. A p4 3.06 would make a nice addition to his rig and leave him sufficient cash from the sale of his current cpu ($100+) to put towards a newer generation card early 2004.
LOL Just what would he gain going from a 2.53 to a 3.06 Mingon?


Here's a REAL performance gain Mingon
Let's see: if we can assume a GF4 Ti4200 is at least as fast as the GF3 he currently has, he would go from running UT2003 at 10X7 4X8X at 24fps to running it at 106fps with a $200 FX5900.
Same story without the 4X8X
102fps with the GF4 Ti4200 to 176 with the FX5900. (and note both of these benches are on a XP2700+, pretty similar to his P4 2.53)

BUT WAIT! Let's follow Mingon's WISE advice and see what gains are to be had from going up half a Gigahertz on a P4!

Wowee!
Gee Mingon, all the way from 188fps to 212fps! I see what you mean about that being a "nice addition" for gaming, that 10% bump would really help.

Face it Mingon. Your advice is just bad. He's nowhere near as cpu limited as he is video card limited, and what you are NOT mentioning about that "$100 he'll have left from the sale of his 2.53" is that he'll have to add $165 to it (most of the $200 he wanted to spend) to get a P4 3.06 with a a fan. So he'd be out most of his $200, have a hopelessly outdated and feeble vid card, and for what? I bet you can't even notice the difference at most thing between a 2.53 and a 3.06 without benching it. The differences my advice would give him would be the difference in being able to play games or not.

Why don't you show us different, or apologize to this guy for almost totally screwing him?
 
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