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Kaido

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Made the jump to the Quest 3!

Nearly 10 years now since my original HTC Vive! We just crossed 100 pages on this thread, as well as over half a million views! I still like VR for gaming, but mostly use it for exercise these days, but only because there just aren't a lot of new games out all the time:


Starter kit & exercise game recommendations here:


 
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Pimax Crystal Super with optional 8K Micro-OLED:


They're calling it Reina-level! $1,787 to $2,187!!






 

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I used to fly a lot in DCS. I currently use a quest pro and was dabbling with the idea of ordering a pimax crystal super but I still don't trust that company. Just monitoring their discord they really haven't improved in customer service over the years.

Last I heard there is a US company that if you buy from them they deal with all your support issues. The guy in the video above this post has interviewed him before I just can't recall the name of the company.
 
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but I still don't trust that company. Just monitoring their discord they really haven't improved in customer service over the years.
Yeah, it was a stupid Pimax headset that caused my RX 580 to destroy my mobo's PCIe lanes.

vr-expert.com is the company you were referring to?
 
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What happened there? Was that on GPU USB-C direct?
I plugged the headset using USB-A (I think two of them) and HDMI. Was checking out the Pitool VR demo and looking around and marvelling at how real it looked. It was working fine and it looked like I was soon going to experience Alyx VR. With Pitool running, I clicked Microsoft Edge. Suddenly the RX 580 goes berserk with fans screaming like a banshee and the PC freezes. I restart it and no video output. Used the iGPU to check and the RX 580 wasn't showing in Device Manager anymore. Moved it to the last slot on the mobo and it kinda booted but Windows was totally sluggish. Checked another older card for video output and it also had serious issues.

At the time, I thought maybe the RX 580 had died. It had been stress tested in Furmark before and never had that problem. I went to sell it to some pawnshop and prayed his mobo wouldn't blow up like mine. The damn card worked fine there but I let them have it for $62 coz I was traumatized and didn't want it ruining some other mobo of mine. Of course, two or three months later, GPU prices went through the roof. In short, there was something wrong with Pitool that made the card pull too much current through the PCIe slots and burned them.
 
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Meta Quest 3S Xbox Edition leaked ahead of announcement:


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More details:


Summary:

1. Special-color Meta Quest 3S with an Xbox controller & 3 months of Xbox Game Pass Ultimate for $400 USD (fair price for a black HMD + official controller)

2. "It's not 3d but it's like playing on a 200" HD monitor." So 2D view with no head tracking on a big virtual screen. Gimmicky tbh. Can already do this on existing Quests FYI. Options are a 26-foot virtual display & a "pass-through view that turns an Xbox game into an augmented reality object that sits in the real-world environment around you." So this is merely a portable TV. Can curve or flatten the virtual display.

3. Cheaper Quest 3S makes game text hard to read & inferior quality to the Quest 3. Reviewers had some bitrate & visual issues.

Functionality:

1. Limited to streaming and games that already support Play Anywhere:

Using the Xbox app on Quest, players can instantly access hundreds of games directly with Xbox Cloud Gaming (Beta), including South of Midnight, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered, Avowed, and more as part of their Xbox Game Pass Ultimate membership. Game Pass Ultimate members can also stream select cloud-playable games they own, even if they are not included with Game Pass Ultimate. You can find the full list with over 100 supported titles in the Stream Your Own Game collection here.

And don’t forget, with your Game Pass Ultimate membership, players also have access to stream and play supported Game Pass titles across different devices. With features like cross-play and cross-progression support, your progress seamlessly follows you, no matter which device you choose to play on. Start a game on your Meta Quest 3S Xbox Edition, pick up where you left off on your console, and continue the adventure with Xbox on PC without ever losing your achievements or saved data. No matter where you play, your games, progress, and achievements travel with you, ensuring a truly connected and flexible gaming experience

2. "This is the same Achilles’ heel that impacts the upcoming Xbox Ally ROG PC gaming handheld. It’s a custom Windows experience designed to feel like playing on an Xbox, but it can’t play existing Xbox-only releases. Lots of big games like Cyberpunk 2077, Elden Ring, and Assassin’s Creed Shadows don’t support Play Anywhere, meaning you still need to purchase the game twice." Clunky!

3. Same Meta app that is already available, which lets you stream games from Xbox Cloud Gaming. This requires an Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription ($20/mo)

Notes:

1. Can just download Xbox app for your existing Quest & use a BYO Xbox controller

2. Can use the Meta 3 HDMI Link & a video capture card

3. Can use Virtual Desktop & the Xbox PC app, I suppose

Sounds mid:

1. Reviews all had minor issues & complained bout the performance and quality

2. No 3D, it's just a virtual flatscreen. Bonus is the portability & AR pass-through feature. Will have to ry on my Q3!

3. Not all games supported in the current setup. 100+ support games list here. "Play hundreds of cloud playable games plus select games you own, even titles not included with Xbox Game Pass. Cloud playable games not included with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate are sold separately."

The Xbox app on Quest lets you access Xbox Cloud Gaming, which is available as part of the Xbox Game Pass Ultimate subscription. Game Pass Ultimate members can also stream select cloud-playable games they own, even if they are not included with Game Pass Ultimate (there are over 100 supported titles in the Stream Your Own Game collection).

Thoughts:

1. Money grab, but may be useful in some cases.

2. Sony PSVR2 is the same price..and actually 3D

3. It's weird that you can't stream from your Xbox because you can DIY directly using SideQuest using the Xbox APK to sign in with your Gamertag: (albeit at 720p)

 
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2. "It's not 3d but it's like playing on a 200" HD monitor." So 2D view with no head tracking on a big virtual screen. Gimmicky tbh. Can already do this on existing Quests FYI. Options are a 26-foot virtual display & a "pass-through view that turns an Xbox game into an augmented reality object that sits in the real-world environment around you." So this is merely a portable TV. Can curve or flatten the virtual display.
DOA product. They must really think that their customers are stupid. No wonder their console isn't as successful.
 

Kaido

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DOA product. They must really think that their customers are stupid. No wonder their console isn't as successful.

I mean:

1. Cool black color

2. Reasonable price if buying new

3. Gives you a portable big screen for Game Pass games & purchased Play Anywhere games

It's not terrible, just...disappointing. They SHOULD have at least launched it with full Xbox streaming! Right now, it's really just a turnkey portable Xbox cloud streaming headset TV, which is kind of cool, but really just a marketing gimmick.
 
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marketing gimmick.
PS5 players will look at it with scorn and disdain since it doesn't offer proper VR. This isn't going to compel the average person to drop almost a grand on a new Xbox. Existing Xbox users will probably go "meh", especially those with already large screens. Only use case I can see is people living in dorms and limited spaces who can't have big screens. At least they will be happy I guess.
 

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PS5 players will look at it with scorn and disdain since it doesn't offer proper VR. This isn't going to compel the average person to drop almost a grand on a new Xbox. Existing Xbox users will probably go "meh", especially those with already large screens. Only use case I can see is people living in dorms and limited spaces who can't have big screens. At least they will be happy I guess.

Hence the "extremely limited quantity & when they're gone, they're gone" advertising lol
 
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Found the company that is supposed to work with Pimax and handle everything on the US side. It's called ingeniousvr. Currently they are only supporting the normal Crystal until they can get enough supply out for the crystal super and then I imagine they will be selling that too.

If I was in the market for a crystal I would probably buy through them to avoid having to deal with Pimax directly.
 
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Kaido

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Quest 3 VR mini-review:

* Happy with 512gb for $500 (still wish it had a MicroSD card slot! 2TB for $200)
* Way better clarity than the Quest 1 & 2, including text. The VR videos are sooo much better. I watched Everest VR: The Movie Experience & it was breathtaking! I had to sit down a couple times lol.
* The audio surprised me the most! Fantastic audio & amazing spatial audio! I won't be using third-party buds! 3.5mm is available aftermarket via USB-C if you need one.
* Much better stock strap, although I invested in a BOBOVR S3 Pro (adjustable strap + fan + hot-swap battery, as it's primarily for exercise)
* Finger tracking has vastly improved!
* Quite good color camera pass-through (video makes everything look like it was rendered in AI lol, I dunno how much I'll use it)

This feels like what the product "should" be...nicely mature! FWIW this guy reviews upcoming VR games:

 
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Quest 3 VR mini-review:

* Happy with 512gb for $500 (still wish it had a MicroSD card slot! 2TB for $200)
* Way better clarity than the Quest 1 & 2, including text. The VR videos are sooo much better. I watched X & it was breathtaking! I had to sit down a couple times lol.
* The audio surprised me the most! Fantastic audio & amazing spatial audio! I won't be using third-party buds! 3.5mm is available aftermarket via USB-C if you need one.
* Much better stock strap, although I invested in a BOBOVR S3 Pro (adjustable strap + fan + hot-swap battery, as it's primarily for exercise)
* Finger tracking has vastly improved!
* Quite good color camera pass-through (video makes everything look like it was rendered in AI lol, I dunno how much I'll use it)

This feels like what the product "should" be...nicely mature! FWIW this guy reviews upcoming VR games:


Watched Everest VR: The Movie Experience on the Quest 3 (note that this is different from the Everest VR game experience). This is a beautiful 2019 release by Jonathan Griffith:



Available for free streaming on Meta Quest TV:


Or you can save each of the 3 episodes into your library:




Notes:

1. Turn your HMD brightness up to max

2. Recommend sitting in a swiveling chair so you can look around the whole time to really get the whole experience. I started off standing & almost fell over a few times lol. Just fantastic on the Quest 3!

Interviews:






8K Everest 360 Virtual Reality film, 3 years in the making! Just under 30 minutes long & worth every minute! The trailer doesn't do it justice:


Browser-spinnable 3D trailer: (up to 4K)


 
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Kaido

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The hand-tracking capabilities on the Quest 3 are really outstanding! There are some SUPER fun games available:

 

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Maestro just dropped the CompleteEdition! $35 for the pack (search for Maestro to find the package deal), which includes Maestro, Secret Sorcery, Duel of the Fates, and Doom Bound:


Conduct with unparalleled precision using Quest hand‑tracking. Master 30 musical pieces across 7 breathtaking venues, featuring iconic themes from Harry Potter, Star Wars, Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings. Customize your experience with 7 complete cosmetic sets, then step onto the podium and embody the music, every gesture resonates.


Maestro track list:

The Ride Of The Valkyries – Wagner
Carmina Burana – Orff
Danse Macabre – Saint Saens
From The New World – Dvorak
Messa Da Requiem – Verdi
The Dance Of The Knights – Prokofiev
The Rite Of Spring – Stravinsky
Night On A Bald Mountain – Mussorgsky
Caravan – Ellington
Whiplash – Levy
Sing Sing Sing – Prima
The 5th Symphony – Beethoven
Swan Lake – Tchaikovsky
Figaro’s Wedding – Mozart
The Hebrides – Mendelssohn

Duel of the Fates track list:

John Williams — Duel of the Fates (From Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace).

Secret Sorcery track list:

Orff — Carmina Burana
Mozart — Figaro’s Wedding
Saint Saens — Danse Macabre
Wagner — Ride of the Valkyries
Dvorak — From The New World
Mussorgsky — Night on a Bald Mountain
Stravinsky - The Rite Of Spring
Tchaikovsky — Swan Lake
Beethoven — The Symphony No.5
Verdi - Messa da Requiem
Mendelssohn - The Hebrides
Prokofiev — The Dance of the Knights
Prima — Sing Sing Sing
Ellington — Caravan
Goodman — Whiplash
Williams — Hedwig’s Theme (From Harry Potter)
Dukas — The Sorcerer’s Apprentice (From Fantasia)
Grieg — In the Hall of the Mountain King
Berlioz — La symphonie fantastique
De Falla — El Amor Br

Doom Bound track list:

Djawadi — Main Theme (From Game Of Thrones)
Shore — The Bridge of Khazad Dum (From The Lord Of The Rings)
Offenbach — Orpheus in the Underworld
Shostakovich — Symphony n°10
Liszt - Totentanz
Orff — Carmina Burana
Mozart — Figaro’s Wedding
Saint Saens — Danse Macabre
Wagner — Ride of the Valkyries
Dvorak — From The New World
Mussorgsky — Night on a Bald Mountain
Stravinsky - The Rite Of Spring
Tchaikovsky — Swan Lake
Beethoven — The Symphony No.5
Verdi - Messa da Requiem
Mendelssohn - The Hebrides
Prokofiev — The Dance of the Knights
Prima — Sing Sing Sing
Ellington — Caravan
Goodman — Whiplash
Vivaldi — Winter
 
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