Gigabyte 8IK1100 & SATA boot

scottsh

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I'm having no luck getting my new 8IK1100 to boot from my SATA (non-raid) if I have any other HD in the system. I also can't seem to find a way to set that the SATA should be the boot ctrl in the BIOS. Any ideas?

If I have my 2 IDE disks in system (both on my primary IDE, with my 2 CDROMs on my secondary IDE) plus the SATA drive that I'd like to boot to, the system always tries to boot to IDE - despite the fact that neither IDE drive is bootable.

I was able to install WinXP to the SATA drive and boot it by disabling the IDE drives, but of course this isn't what I want .

No setting in the BIOS appears to allow you to set it for SATA boot - setting the boot order to SCSI doesn't work despite the suggestion that it should on the Gigabyte web site.

Any thoughts, hints, etc would be helpful.

Oh and one hint for the group - my Kingston HyperX PC3200 memory (KHX3200K2/1G) would constantly BSOD the system when left to the defaults. I got XP to boot and install by clocking down to 333MHz, but of course I didn't buy the memory that. So, I finally tweaked up the DIMM voltage by 0.1v and now the memory is running fine at 400MHz (although I admit I have yet to run any long-term perf tests yet.)
 

jebey

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Same issue on an GA8KNXP-if you set the ICH5R to non-raid mode.You're not able to boot from an attached sata hdd.Only setting manually to remmapping the sata ports to standard ide1 or ide2 port or enable the ICH5R raid-mode-and that's not what I want. And with remapping, you loose one of your atapi or ide devices.Not realy a fix only a workaround.Also the latest beta for 8KNXP (F6k) is not fixing the problem.No problem running this configuration without remapping, on an Intel D865PERLK and an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe.So there must be something wrong with GBT BIOS...
 

scottsh

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I also tried an MSI Neo2 FIS2R and it had no problems booting from SATA with IDE drives and my SCSI drive in the system. I sent the issue in to Gigabyte - hopefully they'll understand that it is a bug and get us a fix. The fact that the 8IK1100 hasn't had a BIOS update since April would seem to indicate that one is due.

Unfortunately, the MSI I had had a problem where the BIOS became corrupted and I decided to go with gigabyte and its dual bios instead when newegg.com inexplicably decided to stop carrying the Neo2 in between the time I bought it and the time I sent it back (total of about 4 days - grrr.)
 

scottsh

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More data - Gigabyte sent me bios F7a and unfortunately that did not fix the problem.

Also, I had massive problems when I set my SATA drive as secondary IDE (my regular IDE hard disks are on primary) and then setting the boot order to HDD-2 (which would indicate my SATA drive as secondary master.) I got lots of read errors from the IDE disks and finally Windows thought the drives had failed. I physically put the drives on IDE secondary and booted off of SATA in IDE primary and now all the drives are working fine (well, except that my 2 CDROM drives can't be accessed at all in this configuration.)

I'm thinking there is some problem with the chipset programming when SATA is set to secondary that causes trouble.
 

Psyclone

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I have the 8KNXP with a cd-rw on primary master and a sata on channel 0, which appears to be the silicon image controller, in non raid config. Not knowing exactly how the BIOS should be set for the drive config, I set the BIOS to manual, non-raid for this controller, I then set the boot device to HDD-0.

Windows XP preinstall setup was able to see and partition the SATA drive fine but would not boot from it. The only way I could get the HDD to boot with the BIOS set to manual for the SATA controller was to remap the SATA port to the IDE Port. This configuration caused my cd-rw to not be seen by BIOS, which was bad. How I solved the problem was to set the sata controller to auto and it all booted/recognized just fine.
 

scottsh

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I think a major challenge here is all the different setting and options available. Some ease-of-use enhancements to the BIOS would be nice (a SATA-x option in the boot order options would be a great start.) Seems to me they just keep adding on more and more to existing BIOS rather than start fresh, but I the economics probably dictate this.

In any event, let me describe what I have and what I know does and doesn't work for me.

First, I have an 81K1100 - this board only has 2 SATA ports and 2 IDE controllers (all from the ICH5.) The SATA ports can be setup as RAID0 or RAID1 - again an ICH5 feature - but turning this on requires you to use a custom boot device driver in WinXP.

I'm now running a BETA BIOS revision F7a, however I don't notice any feature difference between this and the released F6 BIOS in the area of disk controller setup.

There are several features here that all interact. Besides the standard settings for configuring the IDE controllers, we have the setup of the SATA ports. They can be configured to be just straight SATA or can be setup to mimic an IDE controller and port. Doing so prevents that controller from being used - if you have SATA-0 setup as IDE Primary Master you can't use the Primary IDE controller at all (even the slave port.) You can set this mimic mode manually, or leave the SATA setting to AUTO - this will cause the BIOS to set it to mimic whatever IDE controller you don't have devices on automatically. I admit I'm not sure why this feature is needed - I can't see any reason for you to want the SATA drive to show up as IDE.

You also have the ability to turn on or off the SATA RAID support. With the support OFF, apparently the controller acts like an IDE controller (this a guess - anybody know for sure?) With the support ON, the controller is an ICH5-RAID controller and requires a customer driver for Windows to work properly (in RAID configuration, you can't see the controller in Windows without the driver, and you need that driver to boot off this controller.) This is the same behavior you'd get if you used a high-end RAID controller like an HP SmartArray in your system.

Another BIOS features controls the boot order. You get to set the order the system uses to try to boot the system - on this mobo you have the option to set 3 things it should look through and the order to do so. Seems simple enough, except that the list of options here is huge - each IDE hard disk port is available (HDD-0 through HDD-3), there are 5 options for different USB devices, boot to LAN, ZIP drives, and the ubiquitous CDROM and floppy. Whew! Oh, and another setting marked simply SCSI. This is an interesting one because selecting this one doesn't in fact specify exactly which SCSI controller to boot from (after all you could have several SCSI controllers.) Instead, there is another BIOS setting marked 'RAID/SCSI boot controller' that allows you to specify which over your various SCSI/RAID controllers should be booted when you select SCSI in the boor order setting. It is this setting that you must configure correctly when you want to boot off of the ICH5's SATA RAID controller. This is not obvious - especially if you have IDE drives in the same system.

OK, so given this lengthy discussion of features, here is what I believe does and does not work with the current BIOS on the 81K1100. I have 2 IDE HD (both on the Primary controller), 2 IDE CD-ROMs (both on the secondary controllers), 1 Adaptec Ultra SCSI controller with 1 drive, and 1 SATA drive. Because I only have 1 SATA drive I'm disabling SATA RAID and have no intention of using it.

I would like to boot from the SATA drive (being the fastest, I'd like to use it for the OS.) This is not possible at the moment due to a BIOS bug with my configuration.

With all the devices in the system and the BIOS settings set correctly (that is boot order set to SCSI, and SCSI/RAID controller order set to SATA) the system insists on booting from the Adaptec controller.

I then removed the Adaptec controller (I can get the data off it from another system and live without it really.) That leaves me with 2 IDE HD, 2 IDE CD-ROMs, and the SATA drive.

Unfortunately, the system still won't boot from the SATA drive. The SCSI/RAID controller order setting won't even show that you have a SATA controller in this mode (which ultimately probably shows the real bug.) No boot order setting will allow you to boot from the SATA drive.

I then disabled my IDE HD - this then allowed the system to boot from the SATA drive. Great - but I'd sure like access to my disks.

I then disabled my IDE CD-ROMs, set the boot order to HDD-2 and the SATA drive to mimic IDE Secondary Master. This boots, however the Primary IDE disks are hosed - you can sort of access them but you get major drive errors and I/O problems. I'm convinced the current BIOS isn't programming I/O right.

I then moved my IDE HD to the Secondary IDE controller, set the boot order to HDD-0 and the SATA drive to mimic IDE Primary Master. This boots and I can access my IDE HD. Great! Now I'd like my CD-ROMs back .

I'm hoping that this saves somebody else some headaches and if anybody sees another option or choice I've missed I've happy to give it a try!
 

AbRASiON

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Scott

I understand your pain so much dude I REALLY do this is nothing short of a SCANDLE and few people have come across it.

I can only assume you, like me have gone out and bought a 10,000 rpm raptor and got 2 nice big "data" drives to keep on the PATA controller right - since you've had them a while....? (well that's how it is for me)

I'm in exactly the same boat and it's REALLY ANNOYING - I had the Epox 8rga+ and .. yeah I couldn't figure it out at all.
It's very very disapointing, I think someone needs to hassle gigabyte about this - but it could be something to do with COMPUTERS in general or pc's and how they have been designed for the past 20 years, I'm sure it has something to do with that? shrug.

Either way if you find out anything, please please update this thread!

let me know

(also) - Scott
 
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