Originally posted by: Brovane
Well here is more links to those peer-reviewed articles that are skeptical of Global Warming that people claim do not exist.
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Of course I love this qoute.
In a recent paper ?Will our ride into the greenhouse future be a
smooth one?? GSA Today (2007), Prof. Wallace Broecker, recipient of the
2006 Craaford Prize (Sweden) succinctly summarizes the present state of the
earth?s climate and climate models as follows:
?My lifetime study of Earth?s climate system has humbled me. I am
convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of this system.
Global climate change predictions are mostly mental masturbation in the
final analysis?
Brovane
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Brovane
Well here is more links to those peer-reviewed articles that are skeptical of Global Warming that people claim do not exist.
Text
Of course I love this qoute.
In a recent paper ?Will our ride into the greenhouse future be a
smooth one?? GSA Today (2007), Prof. Wallace Broecker, recipient of the
2006 Craaford Prize (Sweden) succinctly summarizes the present state of the
earth?s climate and climate models as follows:
?My lifetime study of Earth?s climate system has humbled me. I am
convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of this system.
Global climate change predictions are mostly mental masturbation in the
final analysis?
Brovane
Yeah, you'll forgive me if I don't take entirely seriously a paper that includes the phrase "mental masturbation". It's fine, and even humorous, if found on an internet message board. But when it comes to hard science, phrases like that are a dead giveaway that the author is more than a little biased. I read a fair amount of scientific papers (although mostly not in the climate field) and NONE of the good ones I've read include such childish insults as that.
Originally posted by: homercles337
edit: Not to be pedantic, but its you're not your. You're is a contraction of YOU and ARE. YOUR is possessive for you.
Originally posted by: Brovane
Well here is more links to those peer-reviewed articles that are skeptical of Global Warming that people claim do not exist.
Text
Of course I love this qoute.
In a recent paper ?Will our ride into the greenhouse future be a
smooth one?? GSA Today (2007), Prof. Wallace Broecker, recipient of the
2006 Craaford Prize (Sweden) succinctly summarizes the present state of the
earth?s climate and climate models as follows:
?My lifetime study of Earth?s climate system has humbled me. I am
convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of this system.
Global climate change predictions are mostly mental masturbation in the
final analysis?
Brovane
Khandekar and the "Friends of Science"
Listed as a member of the "Scientific Advisory Board" for a Calgary-based global warming skeptic organization called the "Friends of Science" (FOS). In a January 28, 2007 article in the Toronto Star, the President of the FOS admitted that about one-third of the funding for the FOS is provided by the oil industry. In an August, '06 Globe and Mail feature , the FOS was exposed as being funded in part by the oil and gas sector and hiding the fact that they were. According to the Globe and Mail, the oil industry money was funnelled through the Calgary Foundation charity, to the University of Calgary and then put into an education trust for the FOS.
Khandekar and the NRSP
Listed as an ?Allied Expert? for a Canadian group called the "Natural Resource Stewardship Project," (NRSP) a lobby organization that refuses to disclose it's funding sources. The NRSP is led by executive director Tom Harris and Dr. Tim Ball. An Oct. 16, 2006 CanWest Global news article on who funds the NRSP, it states that "a confidentiality agreement doesn't allow him [Tom Harris] to say whether energy companies are funding his group."
DeSmog recently uncovered information that two of the three Directors on the board of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project are senior executives of the High Park Advocacy Group, a Toronto based lobby firm that specializes in ?energy, environment and ethics.?
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Brovane
Well here is more links to those peer-reviewed articles that are skeptical of Global Warming that people claim do not exist.
Text
Of course I love this qoute.
In a recent paper ?Will our ride into the greenhouse future be a
smooth one?? GSA Today (2007), Prof. Wallace Broecker, recipient of the
2006 Craaford Prize (Sweden) succinctly summarizes the present state of the
earth?s climate and climate models as follows:
?My lifetime study of Earth?s climate system has humbled me. I am
convinced that we have greatly underestimated the complexity of this system.
Global climate change predictions are mostly mental masturbation in the
final analysis?
Brovane
Yeah, you'll forgive me if I don't take entirely seriously a paper that includes the phrase "mental masturbation". It's fine, and even humorous, if found on an internet message board. But when it comes to hard science, phrases like that are a dead giveaway that the author is more than a little biased. I read a fair amount of scientific papers (although mostly not in the climate field) and NONE of the good ones I've read include such childish insults as that.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The basic problem here is that climatology is a serious science and the average AM-hate-radio listening blowhard simply doesn't have the hard scientific knowledge to make any sort of intelligent commentary one way or another. And yet those same blowhards are all over this forum starting one ignorant thread after another. It's pure f**king comedy is what it is.
The flood in the bible was most likely the black sea filling in. We know that it was at one time a dry area and that there are the remnants of villages on its bottom.Originally posted by: Fox5
Two thoughts I have:
1. Shouldn't a statistical physicist be able to calculate how much an increased concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would affect temperature?
2. For all people who say global warming is a cyclical thing and happens anyway....well there was a flood in the bible, what if that's the natural result of the cycle? Should we not do whatever we can to try and stop it?
Originally posted by: k1pp3r
Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?
No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.
Originally posted by: IGBT
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Global warming labeled a 'scam'
By Al Webb
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 6, 2007
LONDON -- With a packet of claims that are almost certain to defy conventional wisdom, a television documentary to be aired in Britain this week condemns man-made global warming as a myth that has become "the biggest scam of modern times."
The program titled "The Great Global Warming Scandal" and set for screening by TV Channel 4 on Thursday dismisses claims that high levels of greenhouse gases generated by human activity causes climate change. Instead, the program suggests that the sun itself is the real culprit.
The documentary, directed by filmmaker Martin Durkin, is at odds with scientific opinion as outlined in a United Nations report in February, which blames mankind for global warming.
In his program, Mr. Durkin rejects the concept of man-made climate change, calling it "a lie ... the biggest scam of modern times."
The truth, he says, is that global warming "is a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry, created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists, supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding, and propped up by compliant politicians and the media."
Channel 4 says that the program features "an impressive roll-call of experts," including nine professors, who are experts in climatology, oceanography, meteorology, biogeography and paleoclimatology.
It also says the experts come from prestigious institutions such as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Pasteur Institute in Paris, the Danish National Space Center and universities and other schools in London, Ottawa, Jerusalem, Alabama, Virginia and Winnipeg, Canada.
"It's very rare that a film changes history," says Martin Durkin, "but I think this is a turning point, and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bunk," he says.
His program collides sharply with the premise outlined in former Vice President Al Gore's Oscar-winning documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," which presents a bleak picture of how a buildup in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide affects the global climate, with potentially disastrous consequences.
"Al Gore might have won an Oscar," says Mr. Durkin, in a preview of the documentary, "but the film is very misleading, and he has got the relationship between [carbon dioxide] and climate change the wrong way around."
One of the filmmaker's experts, paleontologist professor Ian Clark of the University of Ottawa, says that global warming could be caused by increased activity on the sun, such as massive eruptions, and that ice-core samples from Antarctica show that, in fact, warmer periods in Earth's history have come about 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels.
Mr. Clark's findings appear to contradict the work of other scientists, who have used similar ice-core samples to illustrate that raised levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have accompanied the various global warming periods.
So by dismissing those that dismiss the "global warming crowd," that's just another form of "sticking your head in the sand," IMO. Neither extreme is the answer, but only by having both vehement proponents, and rational skeptics can you ever hope to further research and dialog.
The whole "ZOMG! we're all gonna die" vs "You guys are nuts, everything is fine!" is pretty counterproductive.
Duhrrrrrr... Ya think? But thanks for inadvertantly pointing out that the Earth's climate varies wildly with or without man's influence.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled "It's all our fault" post.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: IGBT
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Global warming labeled a 'scam'
By Al Webb
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 6, 2007
LONDON -- With a packet of claims that are almost certain to defy conventional wisdom, a television documentary to be aired in Britain this week condemns man-made global warming as a myth that has become "the biggest scam of modern times."
The program titled "The Great Global Warming Scandal" and set for screening by TV Channel 4 on Thursday dismisses claims that high levels of greenhouse gases generated by human activity causes climate change. Instead, the program suggests that the sun itself is the real culprit.
The documentary, directed by filmmaker Martin Durkin, is at odds with scientific opinion as outlined in a United Nations report in February, which blames mankind for global warming.
In his program, Mr. Durkin rejects the concept of man-made climate change, calling it "a lie ... the biggest scam of modern times."
The truth, he says, is that global warming "is a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry, created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists, supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding, and propped up by compliant politicians and the media."
Channel 4 says that the program features "an impressive roll-call of experts," including nine professors, who are experts in climatology, oceanography, meteorology, biogeography and paleoclimatology.
It also says the experts come from prestigious institutions such as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Pasteur Institute in Paris, the Danish National Space Center and universities and other schools in London, Ottawa, Jerusalem, Alabama, Virginia and Winnipeg, Canada.
"It's very rare that a film changes history," says Martin Durkin, "but I think this is a turning point, and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bunk," he says.
His program collides sharply with the premise outlined in former Vice President Al Gore's Oscar-winning documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," which presents a bleak picture of how a buildup in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide affects the global climate, with potentially disastrous consequences.
"Al Gore might have won an Oscar," says Mr. Durkin, in a preview of the documentary, "but the film is very misleading, and he has got the relationship between [carbon dioxide] and climate change the wrong way around."
One of the filmmaker's experts, paleontologist professor Ian Clark of the University of Ottawa, says that global warming could be caused by increased activity on the sun, such as massive eruptions, and that ice-core samples from Antarctica show that, in fact, warmer periods in Earth's history have come about 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels.
Mr. Clark's findings appear to contradict the work of other scientists, who have used similar ice-core samples to illustrate that raised levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have accompanied the various global warming periods.
Debunked too many times to list.
Originally posted by: k1pp3r
Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?
No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: IGBT
Text
Global warming labeled a 'scam'
By Al Webb
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 6, 2007
LONDON -- With a packet of claims that are almost certain to defy conventional wisdom, a television documentary to be aired in Britain this week condemns man-made global warming as a myth that has become "the biggest scam of modern times."
The program titled "The Great Global Warming Scandal" and set for screening by TV Channel 4 on Thursday dismisses claims that high levels of greenhouse gases generated by human activity causes climate change. Instead, the program suggests that the sun itself is the real culprit.
The documentary, directed by filmmaker Martin Durkin, is at odds with scientific opinion as outlined in a United Nations report in February, which blames mankind for global warming.
In his program, Mr. Durkin rejects the concept of man-made climate change, calling it "a lie ... the biggest scam of modern times."
The truth, he says, is that global warming "is a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry, created by fanatically anti-industrial environmentalists, supported by scientists peddling scare stories to chase funding, and propped up by compliant politicians and the media."
Channel 4 says that the program features "an impressive roll-call of experts," including nine professors, who are experts in climatology, oceanography, meteorology, biogeography and paleoclimatology.
It also says the experts come from prestigious institutions such as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Pasteur Institute in Paris, the Danish National Space Center and universities and other schools in London, Ottawa, Jerusalem, Alabama, Virginia and Winnipeg, Canada.
"It's very rare that a film changes history," says Martin Durkin, "but I think this is a turning point, and in five years the idea that the greenhouse effect is the main reason behind global warming will be seen as total bunk," he says.
His program collides sharply with the premise outlined in former Vice President Al Gore's Oscar-winning documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," which presents a bleak picture of how a buildup in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide affects the global climate, with potentially disastrous consequences.
"Al Gore might have won an Oscar," says Mr. Durkin, in a preview of the documentary, "but the film is very misleading, and he has got the relationship between [carbon dioxide] and climate change the wrong way around."
One of the filmmaker's experts, paleontologist professor Ian Clark of the University of Ottawa, says that global warming could be caused by increased activity on the sun, such as massive eruptions, and that ice-core samples from Antarctica show that, in fact, warmer periods in Earth's history have come about 800 years before rises in carbon dioxide levels.
Mr. Clark's findings appear to contradict the work of other scientists, who have used similar ice-core samples to illustrate that raised levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere have accompanied the various global warming periods.
Debunked too many times to list.
..yes. The eco-alarmists are religious in their belief.