Global warming crowd

[daniel49]

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[Todd33]

WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

Rain, could you use some reasonable scientific evidence to explain to us what caused that 250 year warming trend.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

Rain, could you use some reasonable scientific evidence to explain to us what caused that 250 year warming trend.

You're missing the point, and if I seem to have a lack of respect for your position, it's only because this is a pretty basic point that has been stated over and over again, yet you people persist on ignoring it.

Basis environmental science 101 says that the earth goes through natural warming and cooling trends over time. Since people lacked the ability to influence the environment in 1050 AD, that was obviously a natural trend brought on by any number of things. That does not prove anything at all about what's happening NOW. Just because warming and cooling trends naturally happen does not mean that they are ALWAYS natural, and scientists make a pretty good argument that not only is the planet currently warming, but human beings are at least partially at fault for it.

Obviously it's a lot more complicated than I made it sound, but until we can get past these basic arguments you guys are making, I don't see how we can have an even halfway reasonable discussion on the topic. As long as "well the globe has warmed up before, therefore human beings aren't going it now" is a reasonable argument for you guys, don't be surprised if your views don't get a lot of respect.

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

I never said the earth was not warming, but wait, so is mars (smacks forehead) and yes their is scientific evidence to prove that. The reason this crowd is so on the ball is because that may a ton of money off of it. Yes the earth is warmer, but it isn't as serious as they say.

Show me 1 UN report on climate that has the warming period of 1050 - 1300 AD in it. It will be titled "Global Cooling"

 

[Brovane]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

Reasonable Scientific support in a peer reviewed journal to be very skeptical of the Global Warming arguments. - Reasonable Scientific Support


Brovane

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

Reasonable Scientific support in a peer reviewed journal to be very skeptical of the Global Warming arguments. - Reasonable Scientific Support


Brovane

That report mentions Koto, which is fundementally flawed, thats all i have to say.

 

[dahunan]

Gee.. I guess the population and resource use hasn't changed in 250 years or SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS

I guess that we shouldn't waste time to see if there is anything we can do to try and change the trend.. right? Just accpet that ****** happens and buy better sunscreen

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Gee.. I guess the population and resource use hasn't changed in 250 years or SEVEN HUNDRED YEARS

I guess that we shouldn't waste time to see if there is anything we can do to try and change the trend.. right? Just accpet that ****** happens and buy better sunscreen

Thats not what i'm saying at all. lol

I am all for trying to clear our air, i just think it is being tackled on partly false reasons. GH gas could assist a natural cycle i'm not arguing that either. I'm just saying that what i believe (yes i know i'm not a scientist) is that polution is affecting a natural cycle of the earth and solar activity to make things worse in a minor way.

Look at all sides of an argument before you jump to a conclusion.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Obviously it's a lot more complicated than I made it sound, but until we can get past these basic arguments you guys are making, I don't see how we can have an even halfway reasonable discussion on the topic. As long as "well the globe has warmed up before, therefore human beings aren't going it now" is a reasonable argument for you guys, don't be surprised if your views don't get a lot of respect.

Rain, would admit that the GW crowd has their own ?basic argument? at which all discussions must start? That argument of course is that global warming IS man made and any other view must be destroyed.

One thing that shows how bad the current discussion is the fact that any one trying to claim GW is not man made is driven out of the argument. Go read the thread I posted from the WSJ editorial by the MIT professor. Look at the number of posts that attack him for who he is, but totally ignore the merits of his arguments.

We can?t have a reasonable and honest debate as long as the GW crowd tries to tar and feather anyone who disagrees with them.
I think if we put GW on trial with the best scientific minds on both sides presenting their cases we?d end up with a hung jury. There is just not enough conclusive proof to show that GW is 100% man made, or that we are such a huge factor in it that all the fear and predictions of catastrophe are warranted.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r
That report mentions Koto, which is fundementally flawed, thats all i have to say.

ummm go read the report, it shows that GW is not 100% proven to be man made etc etc.

In essence it is anti-GW.

 

[Albatross]

using the flat earth analogy is for the ignorant

enjoy

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

YAGWT, funny to watch them swiftboating GW now!

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

not me man. My moneys on Manhatten submerging by 2010.
:laugh:

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I made this comment over in OT...

It's a silly bet. All the oddsmakers had to do was realize that the oceans have been rising for the last 10-20 thousand years at a fairly consistant rate. It's a suckers bet.

Hell, 20,000 years ago I could have walked from Maui to Molokai. Maui, Lana'i, Moloka'i and Kaho'olawe used to be one one big island. O NOES TEH GLOBUL WARMIN!!! HAX!

Why is it that a mechinism that has been in play for tens of thousands of years is sudenly a problem? And how did we just now become responsible for it?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I made this comment over in OT...

It's a silly bet. All the oddsmakers had to do was realize that the oceans have been rising for the last 10-20 thousand years at a fairly consistant rate. It's a suckers bet.

Hell, 20,000 years ago I could have walked from Maui to Molokai. Maui, Lana'i, Moloka'i and Kaho'olawe used to be one one big island. O NOES TEH GLOBUL WARMIN!!! HAX!

Why is it that a mechinism that has been in play for tens of thousands of years is sudenly a problem? And how did we just now become responsible for it?

Tens of thousands? More like hundreds of millions. We don't know sh!t about global temperature variance.

The CO2 / temperature charts Gore used are proof that CO2 follows after? A F T E R temperature rise by 800 years. Then on top of that there?s just as much evidence from charts that prove solar cycles match up with earth?s temperatures.

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I made this comment over in OT...

It's a silly bet. All the oddsmakers had to do was realize that the oceans have been rising for the last 10-20 thousand years at a fairly consistant rate. It's a suckers bet.

Hell, 20,000 years ago I could have walked from Maui to Molokai. Maui, Lana'i, Moloka'i and Kaho'olawe used to be one one big island. O NOES TEH GLOBUL WARMIN!!! HAX!

Why is it that a mechinism that has been in play for tens of thousands of years is sudenly a problem? And how did we just now become responsible for it?

Eh, ice age?

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Mardeth

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I made this comment over in OT...

It's a silly bet. All the oddsmakers had to do was realize that the oceans have been rising for the last 10-20 thousand years at a fairly consistant rate. It's a suckers bet.

Hell, 20,000 years ago I could have walked from Maui to Molokai. Maui, Lana'i, Moloka'i and Kaho'olawe used to be one one big island. O NOES TEH GLOBUL WARMIN!!! HAX!

Why is it that a mechinism that has been in play for tens of thousands of years is sudenly a problem? And how did we just now become responsible for it?

Eh, ice age?

Yeah, good movie wasn't it. What exactly are you saying though?

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

I never said the earth was not warming, but wait, so is mars (smacks forehead) and yes their is scientific evidence to prove that. The reason this crowd is so on the ball is because that may a ton of money off of it. Yes the earth is warmer, but it isn't as serious as they say.

Show me 1 UN report on climate that has the warming period of 1050 - 1300 AD in it. It will be titled "Global Cooling"

Jubus christ, please educate yourself. These threads are really stupid and wouldnt even be here if people educated themselves on the scientific evidence. The argument is political not scientific. The only reason you have an opinion is because your pundits on the radio tell you that you do. Now, go and read the real scientific evidence and if you understand it get back to this thread.

BTW, since you dont know, the folks that published that paper on mars said it would be stupid to make correlations with earth's climate.

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

I never said the earth was not warming, but wait, so is mars (smacks forehead) and yes their is scientific evidence to prove that. The reason this crowd is so on the ball is because that may a ton of money off of it. Yes the earth is warmer, but it isn't as serious as they say.

Show me 1 UN report on climate that has the warming period of 1050 - 1300 AD in it. It will be titled "Global Cooling"

Jubus christ, please educate yourself. These threads are really stupid and wouldnt even be here if people educated themselves on the scientific evidence. The argument is political not scientific. The only reason you have an opinion is because your pundits on the radio tell you that you do. Now, go and read the real scientific evidence and if you understand it get back to this thread.

BTW, since you dont know, the folks that published that paper on mars said it would be stupid to make correlations with earth's climate.

So your taking my God given right to have an opinion away from me, thanks ya wackjob. Its my opinion take it or leave it. But don't ****** insult me over it.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

And you wonder why people call you flat Earth types. If you want to stick your head in the sand, fine, but don't pretend you have some reasonable scientific support for your position, because you really don't.

I never said the earth was not warming, but wait, so is mars (smacks forehead) and yes their is scientific evidence to prove that. The reason this crowd is so on the ball is because that may a ton of money off of it. Yes the earth is warmer, but it isn't as serious as they say.

Show me 1 UN report on climate that has the warming period of 1050 - 1300 AD in it. It will be titled "Global Cooling"

Jubus christ, please educate yourself. These threads are really stupid and wouldnt even be here if people educated themselves on the scientific evidence. The argument is political not scientific. The only reason you have an opinion is because your pundits on the radio tell you that you do. Now, go and read the real scientific evidence and if you understand it get back to this thread.

BTW, since you dont know, the folks that published that paper on mars said it would be stupid to make correlations with earth's climate.

So your taking my God given right to have an opinion away from me, thanks ya wackjob. Its my opinion take it or leave it. But don't ****** insult me over it.

I have a problem with blatant, in-your-face ignorance. This makes you my problem. Now if youre just stupid (or mildly retarded) then i apologize.

Now, do you care to address ANY of my points? You are NOT qualified to chime in with your opinion. Your opinion is holistically invalid scientifically. If you want to talk science then talk. You spouting your pundits opinion is not science. Thank you, drive through.

edit: Not to be pedantic, but its you're not your. You're is a contraction of YOU and ARE. YOUR is possessive for you.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Todd33
WTF is a "Global warming crowd"? Do you work for Exxon or are you a flat Earth type?

No, its the "Hey the same thing happened from 1050 - 1300 AD, and look its happening again. But lets strike that from the record so we can make some money" crowd.

The temperature is significantly higher now than it was during the medieval warm period.

Originally posted by: k1pp3r
I never said the earth was not warming, but wait, so is mars (smacks forehead) and yes their is scientific evidence to prove that.

Irrelevant and meaningless.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The CO2 / temperature charts Gore used are proof that CO2 follows after? A F T E R temperature rise by 800 years.

The initial warming can best be explained by Milankovitch cycles. Also, CO2 and temperature rose simulatenously most of the time for these warming periods. Obviously CO2 is not the only cause of global warming however it can easily be a contributing factor.

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Then on top of that there?s just as much evidence from charts that prove solar cycles match up with earth?s temperatures.

Not really. Solar cycles can't even account for half of the current warming trend.

 

[BrownTown]

Hmmn, I've noticed another trend, the earth has gotten hotter after all of ya'll were born, maybe if we killed you people it would be better?