Goddamn 7800GT/X

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xtknight

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Oblivion looks like it will make me try and find a board that doesn't make me gag with how bad the IQ is,

STALKER: Oblivion Lost? I'm looking forward to that game too if it ever comes out. It reminds me of Duke Nukem Forever.
 

Drakkon

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went from a ati 9600 to a xfx 7800GT....its blowin my mind how much better games play and i hardly ever play games
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Anand doesn't even bother to bench the high end boards with that low of a setting most of the time anymore. 1600x1200 is the minimum. Think what you will, I am certainly not alone.

First, you do realize you are being called a troll now.. and for good reason kinda too ben..

You certainly have a POV on many, many things that leave you in an extreme minority..
sometimes I think you like to argue more than anything else?

But regardless, on your comment.. you are missing the point.. the world is much bigger than you and Anand.. and AT is a enthusiast site.
If he benchs at 16x12 minimum, which isnt always true BTW unless the cards merit that res to show their prowess.. it is regardless, still, a high resolution.

He does that to not waste our time with games that are setup for less powerful cards, and benching on them with brand new cutting edge shtick.. not because Anand feels that "this is a real mans low res".

If you dont believe me, Ask Anand! We'll see who's right.

I bet he wouldnt call 16x12 "low res", and I am sure the reason for starting a given benchmark at 16x12+ is due to the fact thats where the differences started to show.
 

Originally posted by: Frackal
Come on, 1600x1200 is lower high end for enthusiasts and high end for anyone else

Define enthusiasts. Its not for low hardcore gamers.

*edit* I hope you arent trying to reel me in .

 

jiffylube1024

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Hey, look, another CRT flamewar starring everyone's favourite CRT pimp BenSkywalker .

Resolution isn't everything to everyone; I'm much happier with my 2005fpw than any CRT I've owned in the past. Guess what Ben? Not everyone running 2001fp's/2005fpw's are dumbasses who haven't yet 'seen the light' of a high res CRT, so just deal with it. May the force be with you .
 

DidlySquat

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: n7
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Originally posted by: kmmatney
My complaint is that they cost so much!

Mine too. I want them to be $100!!!!


No.

I want them to be $50

Well while we are wishing for things, ill take an entire system of my choosing for free, and i would like to jump back in time and undo something (cough Prom) that i screwed up on

-Kevin


I would also like to see 7600 for free, and throw in a Mercedes S500 as a free gift
 

BenSkywalker

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2. 1900 X 1200 is a widescreen resolution and should not be used as a median of the 4:3 resolutions you mentioned.

19x12 also happens to be the resolution of the 2405 which is a display that does benefit from the higher levels of performance that the 7800 series offers. Imagine that- there was a point to using that over 19x14.

I am not sure if any CRT's are able to handle 2048 X 1536 @ 85Hz or higher

The FP2141SB-BK and the 2070SB-BK both handle 2048x1536 over 85Hz(unfortunately vid cards top out @85Hz running that res).

Have to keep in mind that many gamers also use 800 X 600 at times

If they are buying 7800s to do it then they are morons at best. That is the point of this thread is it not?

STALKER: Oblivion Lost?

Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Not holding my breath for Stalker though I am keeping an eye out for it.

What do you mean by calling DOD-S subpar Benskywalker?

Outdated play mechanics. The FPS genre needs some improvements in the core gameplay elements, either that or they need to hit much higher levels of existing mechanics for it to remain interesting moving forward.

You certainly have a POV on many, many things that leave you in an extreme minority..

You tell me all about the great performance benefits of a 7800 series running 1024x768- is that not the point of this thread? Is this thread not about the 7800? Why is that people can't simply follow the links I provided and see that I am stating a point of fact- nothing to do with my persepctive or how I see things. The benches speak for themselves.

But regardless, on your comment.. you are missing the point.. the world is much bigger than you and Anand..

And in these other people's worlds does the 7800 run out of steam at such low resolutions in the games the poster was talking about? Because in the world I live in they are CPU limited with a 7800 as I demonstrated by posting benches.

If he benchs at 16x12 minimum, which isnt always true BTW unless the cards merit that res to show their prowess..

WHICH IS THE TOPIC AT HAND

Can you read the thread title? We are talking about the 7800 series and those boards certainly qualify for the exact discussion I am partaking in.

He does that to not waste our time with games that are setup for less powerful cards, and benching on them with brand new cutting edge shtick.. not because Anand feels that "this is a real mans low res".

When did this thread swap around to being about something other then the 7800 series? I missed it, in fact I just double checked the title and it still states that it is about the 7800 parts.

I bet he wouldnt call 16x12 "low res", and I am sure the reason for starting a given benchmark at 16x12+ is due to the fact thats where the differences started to show.

THAT IS THE POINT!!

Are you capable of analytical thought? When I say that the 7800 is bad for low resolutions do you somehow not understand that the statement is made in an explicitly clear context? Is this somehow too vague for the posters here to understand? Is spelling things out to the letter not good enough for the comprehension skills on this forum?

Resolution isn't everything to everyone; I'm much happier with my 2005fpw than any CRT I've owned in the past. Guess what Ben? Not everyone running 2001fp's/2005fpw's are dumbasses who haven't yet 'seen the light' of a high res CRT, so just deal with it.

Guess what jiffy- Dell makes this panel called the 2405 and Apple has this cinema display that is 30"; neither of those displays are low res and- wait for it- they are LCDs. Take of your blinders. The Apple 30 is higher res then any consumer CRT I have ever seen.

And Ben, my 21" Sony CRT e540 doesn't hold anything against this LCD.

If people would notice nigh everyone who is talking about the big LCD advantage comes from Trinitron tubes. Coincidence?
 

imported_Rampage

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Nice try ben.

The thread may be titled "God Damn 7800GTX" but you stated that 1600x1200 is a "low resolution".. your futile attempts to tie that into the thread title are blatantly a way you are trying to weasle your way out of your statement on 1600x1200.



Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
You have a very low resolution slow monitor and you are expecting what....? You think that drivers are going to speed up your processor or make your display any good for high end gaming? That isn't going to happen.

You said nothing about any GTX connection. You said 1680x1050 is "very low resolution".

You said nothing about 1600x1200 being "low res" because its "low res" to the 7800GTX.

Pathetic you cant admit you are simply wrong.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Nice try ben.

The thread may be titled "God Damn 7800GTX" but you stated that 1600x1200 is a "low resolution".. your futile attempts to tie that into the thread title are blatantly a way you are trying to weasle your way out of your statement on 1600x1200.

Normal mid-range cards 16x12 is relatively high res. However, on Multi GPU setups or on systems with 7800GT(X) (and possibly R5xx series) it is not considered a high resolution.

/Thread

-Kevin
 

xtknight

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CRTs may be theoeretically superior but I just prefer the "feeling" of an LCD. I'd actually be a lot more comfortable if it didn't have any semblance of motion blur though. The resolution doesn't bother me, nor do the "technically inferior" colors on my TN 6-bit panel. It's not that bad, and I'm sure there are better LCDs than mine out by now. I thought I'd never ever go to LCD, but it was my choice to do so and my eyes haven't regretted it. That BenQ 4ms. TN LCD would fix the motion blur issue for me.

Low is a relative term. 1680x1050 is not low compared to 1024x768, which I'll bet you half a trillion is the max for most average gamers. Two of my friends have to play 800x600 at medium for BF2. (Yeah, I know, AT forum does not consist of average gamers.) It is however low to a Apple Cinema Display or the capability of dual-link DVI circuitry which the 7800GTX implements.

LCDs are technically capable of a lot more resolution than CRTs are in the same space. There's 15.4" LCDs that can do 1900x1200. But right now they're only available in notebooks, which really f****** blows if you ask me.

Oh wait, we're talking about the 7800GTX, not CRT vs LCD. Sorry.
Wait, what was this thread about anyway?
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Nice try ben.

The thread may be titled "God Damn 7800GTX" but you stated that 1600x1200 is a "low resolution".. your futile attempts to tie that into the thread title are blatantly a way you are trying to weasle your way out of your statement on 1600x1200.

Normal mid-range cards 16x12 is relatively high res. However, on Multi GPU setups or on systems with 7800GT(X) (and possibly R5xx series) it is not considered a high resolution.

/Thread

-Kevin

I dont disagree with you, but thats no defense for Bens comments.

He clearly stated that 1680x1050 is a low resolution, with no connection to any specific video card.
 

Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Nice try ben.

The thread may be titled "God Damn 7800GTX" but you stated that 1600x1200 is a "low resolution".. your futile attempts to tie that into the thread title are blatantly a way you are trying to weasle your way out of your statement on 1600x1200.

Normal mid-range cards 16x12 is relatively high res. However, on Multi GPU setups or on systems with 7800GT(X) (and possibly R5xx series) it is not considered a high resolution.

/Thread

-Kevin

I dont disagree with you, but thats no defense for Bens comments.

He clearly stated that 1680x1050 is a low resolution, with no connection to any specific video card.

Oh give me a break. You knew exactly what video cards he is referring to :roll:

Stop making problems for everyone.

-Kevin
 

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: southpawuni
Nice try ben.

The thread may be titled "God Damn 7800GTX" but you stated that 1600x1200 is a "low resolution".. your futile attempts to tie that into the thread title are blatantly a way you are trying to weasle your way out of your statement on 1600x1200.

Normal mid-range cards 16x12 is relatively high res. However, on Multi GPU setups or on systems with 7800GT(X) (and possibly R5xx series) it is not considered a high resolution.

/Thread

-Kevin

I dont disagree with you, but thats no defense for Bens comments.

He clearly stated that 1680x1050 is a low resolution, with no connection to any specific video card.

Oh give me a break. You knew exactly what video cards he is referring to :roll:

Stop making problems for everyone.

-Kevin

I think its obvious who is making problems. Ben came out of no where and took this thread in a different direction.
 

Most of his info, not about crts, is from him reading reviews and such. He doesnt have a x800xl or 7800gt. He hasnt played day of defeat source or call of duty2 and he doesnt have a decent gaming rig. He may know about crts and thats great but that is not what this thread is about.
 

imported_Rampage

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Oh give me a break. You knew exactly what video cards he is referring to :roll:

Stop making problems for everyone.

-Kevin

No actually it isnt obvious. I'm not going to argue with you about this, reread the thread and see if he is saying 1600x1200 is low res for GTX, or simply low res.
He took the thread in another direction, then crafted a way to back out of it when it was clear his claim was ludicrous.

The guy is merely looking for any way to bash LCDs. Why else would someone say
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
You have a very low resolution slow monitor and you are expecting what....?

Thats clearly directed at 1600x1200/1680x1050 limited monitors.
It has nothing to do with the GTX.
 
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