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amrnuke

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- Aren't we all? I sometimes wonder who thinks my thoughts for me before barfing them into my brain for easy processing, like a mother bird to her chicks. I hope those folks take care of my reality.
I get where you're going with the train of thought, but we don't let pedophiles hang around schools just because they were sexually abused as children.

Some people are a danger to society, and need to be removed from all or part of it.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I get where you're going with the train of thought, but we don't let pedophiles hang around schools just because they were sexually abused as children.

Some people are a danger to society, and need to be removed from all or part of it.

Fair.

How do I know the Earth goes around the sun, instead of the other way around? I've never been off planet, I'm not a physicist so all those proofs and theorems mean nothing to me. I don't KNOW, I just believe what the authorities tell me to believe. I guess it just depends on who you see as an authoritative source of knowledge in your reality.
 

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Just wandering what was the immediate cause of her being shot? Large numbers of Trumpkin (illegally, I would presume) entered the building, only this one was shot. What was the specific reason why whoever shot her, shot her? I'm really not asking with any particular agenda - maybe she was doing something particularly threatening? But if so, what was it? Or maybe a cop or SS discharged their weapon accidentally?
 

Wreckem

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Just wandering what was the immediate cause of her being shot? Large numbers of Trumpkin (illegally, I would presume) entered the building, only this one was shot. What was the specific reason why whoever shot her, shot her? I'm really not asking with any particular agenda - maybe she was doing something particularly threatening? But if so, what was it? Or maybe a cop or SS discharged their weapon accidentally?

She breached the House Chamber and was essentially charging the police protecting the House chamber. House members where in the chamber when the shooting occurred. It was a good shoot. Others would have been shot too but they retreated. It was after the shooting that the police were able to get the house members evacuated from the chamber.
 

amrnuke

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Just wandering what was the immediate cause of her being shot? Large numbers of Trumpkin (illegally, I would presume) entered the building, only this one was shot. What was the specific reason why whoever shot her, shot her? I'm really not asking with any particular agenda - maybe she was doing something particularly threatening? But if so, what was it? Or maybe a cop or SS discharged their weapon accidentally?
She was climbing through a broken window into an area the officer was defending (keeping an area secure to allow evacuation of members of government), and reportedly the officer told her to stop, to leave, and she kept coming in, and he shot her.

There is video, which is graphic, of the event. I do not wish to post a link directly, but a generic search for footage of woman being shot inside the capitol building site:reddit.com on Google would probably find it.

She had reason to be stopped with lethal force.

Edit: If you want to see the circumstances of the whole thing, you can search something like woman shot dead by capitol police inside the capitol building site:youtube.com. Again, graphic and disturbing and again confirming her unfortunately stupid decision.
 

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She breached the House Chamber and was essentially charging the police protecting the House chamber. House members where in the chamber when the shooting occurred. It was a good shoot. Others would have been shot too but they retreated. It was after the shooting that the police were able to get the house members evacuated from the chamber.

So if they'd reached that part of the building in numbers, and not backed off, there might have been a lot more use of lethal force?

In part I'm wondering because it seems like a clue as to what the 'plan' was, insofar as they had a plan (maybe a subset of the rioters did?). Of course she might just have gotten over-hyped on the adrenaline and not known what she was trying to do. Though that would surprise me given she was a miltiary veteran.
 

Zorba

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Just wandering what was the immediate cause of her being shot? Large numbers of Trumpkin (illegally, I would presume) entered the building, only this one was shot. What was the specific reason why whoever shot her, shot her? I'm really not asking with any particular agenda - maybe she was doing something particularly threatening? But if so, what was it? Or maybe a cop or SS discharged their weapon accidentally?
Watch the videos, she was leading an attack on Nancy Pelosi's office while the Speaker was inside. The SS balls up and did what the capital police should've done.

She broke a window and was gaining entry into the office area while ignoring multiple orders to stop, she was shot to prevent her and the 100s behind her from taking the number #3 person in our government hostage. There is also a rumor Pence may have been in the office area at the time. If this wasn't a good shoot, literally nothing is.
 

amrnuke

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So if they'd reached that part of the building in numbers, and not backed off, there might have been a lot more use of lethal force?

In part I'm wondering because it seems like a clue as to what the 'plan' was, insofar as they had a plan (maybe a subset of the rioters did?). Of course she might just have gotten over-hyped on the adrenaline and not known what she was trying to do. Though that would surprise me given she was a miltiary veteran.
Exactly. She was a military veteran. She knew what she was doing. Many, including her, mentioned execution of legislators. So, I mean, you know what they wanted to do. I just don't think they planned on how to confront dozens of armed officers, which is pretty much how most of these shit-for-brains folks think, which is... barely.
 

amrnuke

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Fair.

How do I know the Earth goes around the sun, instead of the other way around? I've never been off planet, I'm not a physicist so all those proofs and theorems mean nothing to me. I don't KNOW, I just believe what the authorities tell me to believe. I guess it just depends on who you see as an authoritative source of knowledge in your reality.
The nice thing is that you don't just believe an authoritative source. You can prove that the earth goes around the sun, and that the solar system goes around the Milky Way by using a telescope, math, and time.

If someone is not willing to put in effort, that's on them. It doesn't make their "belief" correct.

Not to take this too far out there, but how is what people are doing with blind belief in Trump substantially any different from blind belief in God? There's less evidence for God than there is for Trump's claims of election fraud (at least there have been some ballots expunged for discrepancies and so forth), and yet most Americans believe in God. Should it really come as a surprise to us that blind belief is so common among Trump supporters?
 
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GodisanAtheist

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The nice thing is that you don't just believe an authoritative source. You can prove that the earth goes around the sun, and that the solar system goes around the Milky Way by using a telescope, math, and time.

If someone is not willing to put in effort, that's on them. It doesn't make their "belief" correct.

Not to take this too far out there, but how is what people are doing with blind belief in Trump substantially any different from blind belief in God? There's less evidence for God than there is for Trump's claims of election fraud (at least there have been some ballots expunged for discrepancies and so forth), and yet most Americans believe in God. Should it really come as a surprise to us that blind belief is so common among Trump supporters?

- Politics isn't Science, no matter how much Political Scientists wish it so. There is no testable hypothesis around metaphysical crap like "abortion bad" or "Big Government = Tyranny".

I guess my analogy doesn't really work for that reason.

In my defense I've been drinking pretty steadily since 4pm PST and haven't let up yet 7 hours later.
 

kt

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She was climbing through a broken window into an area the officer was defending (keeping an area secure to allow evacuation of members of government), and reportedly the officer told her to stop, to leave, and she kept coming in, and he shot her.

There is video, which is graphic, of the event. I do not wish to post a link directly, but a generic search for footage of woman being shot inside the capitol building site:reddit.com on Google would probably find it.

She had reason to be stopped with lethal force.

Edit: If you want to see the circumstances of the whole thing, you can search something like woman shot dead by capitol police inside the capitol building site:youtube.com. Again, graphic and disturbing and again confirming her unfortunately stupid decision.
Watching the video made me sad and mad at the same time. Had this group been BLM protesters, the police would've put a few more bullets in her for good measure. Instead they stopped and tried to save her in the middle of an insurrection. If you remember that video clip of the police pushing the 70+ year old protester to the ground and he was bleeding from his head, they didn't even take a moment to check on him.
 

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This yelp review of her business from April:

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The owner of this business, Ashlii, is a conspiracy theory dipshit who needs mental help. Steer clear of her and this business. There are plenty of other businesses you can find quality work from.
 
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Meghan54

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She breached the House Chamber and was essentially charging the police protecting the House chamber. House members where in the chamber when the shooting occurred. It was a good shoot. Others would have been shot too but they retreated. It was after the shooting that the police were able to get the house members evacuated from the chamber.


 
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Anyone else concerned a 14 year air force vet got suckered into this madness?

 
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Bitek

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My only shock is that this was the only one. How the F did this happen? This was the most obvious thing coming.

How many times now have we seen these extremists invade legislatures with no repercussions? The extremists plotting to kidnap and execute the MI gov? They stormed the WA gov mansion as well.

They are seditionists, terrorists and traitors to the Constitution looking to assassinate democratically elected officials. Good shoot if there ever was one.
 

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My only shock is that this was the only one. How the F did this happen? This was the most obvious thing coming.

How many times now have we seen these extremists invade legislatures with no repercussions? The extremists plotting to kidnap and execute the MI gov? They stormed the WA gov mansion as well.

They are seditionists, terrorists and traitors to the Constitution looking to assassinate democratically elected officials. Good shoot if there ever was one.


They're white, so that's why no repercussions. Pure and simple....and can be no other explanation. Look at the vast differences between the way the fed. govt. handled the BLM protests in D.C. vs. yesteday. The moment there was an inkling of protests by blacks, the Nat'l Guard was called out...en masse. Yesterday, Trump refused and it was only Pence that finally got the Guard called out...hours after it should have been. That and the Capitol Police seem to be mighty friendly and accommodating with these white rioters/terrorists vs. black protestors.

And we shall see how willing or unwilling those in power are going to be in tracking down those that tried to take over the Capitol. Seems simple enough....the Capitol runs its own cell network and those "patriots", or idiotic terrorists as educated persons refer to them, were waving cell phones around willy-nilly, recording anything and everything. Seems rather simple to see what phone was where.....
 

Bitek

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They're white, so that's why no repercussions. Pure and simple....and can be no other explanation. Look at the vast differences between the way the fed. govt. handled the BLM protests in D.C. vs. yesteday. The moment there was an inkling of protests by blacks, the Nat'l Guard was called out...en masse. Yesterday, Trump refused and it was only Pence that finally got the Guard called out...hours after it should have been. That and the Capitol Police seem to be mighty friendly and accommodating with these white rioters/terrorists vs. black protestors.

And we shall see how willing or unwilling those in power are going to be in tracking down those that tried to take over the Capitol. Seems simple enough....the Capitol runs its own cell network and those "patriots", or idiotic terrorists as educated persons refer to them, were waving cell phones around willy-nilly, recording anything and everything. Seems rather simple to see what phone was where.....

100%.

Posted in other thread there needs to be a massive investigation, mass arrests and consequences need to enforced.

They do this bc they know they can.

They are being held to account, and it goes so far as LEOs turning a blind eye (even conspiring with) this lawlessness and sedition.

No more fucking games or excuses for these wannabe Facebook play terrorists.
 

Zorba

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My only shock is that this was the only one. How the F did this happen? This was the most obvious thing coming.

How many times now have we seen these extremists invade legislatures with no repercussions? The extremists plotting to kidnap and execute the MI gov? They stormed the WA gov mansion as well.

They are seditionists, terrorists and traitors to the Constitution looking to assassinate democratically elected officials. Good shoot if there ever was one.
I can't think of any clearer example of white privilege nor the need for major police reform and clean up.
 

amrnuke

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- Politics isn't Science, no matter how much Political Scientists wish it so. There is no testable hypothesis around metaphysical crap like "abortion bad" or "Big Government = Tyranny".

I guess my analogy doesn't really work for that reason.

In my defense I've been drinking pretty steadily since 4pm PST and haven't let up yet 7 hours later.
Surely! When discussing whether a political platform supporting trickle-down economics works, it's fuzzy because there's evidence it does work - to enrich the wealthy - which is the goal of it in the first place. And so on with 2A, abortion, federalism, etc. Results of these political stances are fuzzy because there's little evidence either way.

However, when discussing whether there was widespread voter fraud, the claims are asserted without evidence, but there's ample evidence to reject them. That which is asserted without evidence can be rejected without reason. But even though that should be the case, the claims of fraud not only cannot be proven by facts or evidence, but have been tested by multiple parties and proven false -- is therefore rejected. It's no different than me claiming that an oak tree has green leaves in Texas, but blue leaves in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia. It is asserted without evidence, cannot be proven by facts or evidence, and has been tested by multiple parties and proven false.
 
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