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amrnuke

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We just showed how weak our security is at one of the two most important building in the world. Next time they might have more than signs. They should've been met with far more force than they were. This has just emboldened them further.

*When they were outside I would've expected non-lethals, but many of those scenes from inside should've had deadly force used (although there should've never gotten that far). What would'v happened if the SS hadn't have shot this lady and 100 of them got in there when members were still there?
You assume the Capitol Police as a whole actually gave a damn. There are multiple videos and photos of CP shaking hands of protestors, talking and laughing with them, letting them walk out after vandalizing and looting and desecrating the American flag, taking down the American flag to fly Confederate flags or Trump flags. And CP just let them walk out. Took selfies with them.

Some of those that work forces...
 

Sunburn74

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What's sad here is the lack of critical thinking on such a large scale.

Did we really lose all those states, even after a recount, and even after having Republican Secretaries of State who are Trump supporters looking into it and finding no fraud?

No, it's reality that's wrong!
I think part of it is america is so polarized that you live in a place where everyone LOVES trump and you can't imagine him losing because all you see if people loving him and praising him and putting up lawn signs and etc. In my town everyone hates him (its like 90% democratic easily) and only when I travel out of it do I see what rural areas feel about him (i prefer to use the word feel over the word think). However if you don't travel you never know that there are people very different from you, sometimes way more than you can imagine.

I for example have zero friends who support trump. I have some older relatives that do but they live on the other side of the country. Again, geographic polarization creates silos.
 
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Captante

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We just showed how weak our security is at one of the two most important building in the world. Next time they might have more than signs. They should've been met with far more force than they were. This has just emboldened them further.

*When they were outside I would've expected non-lethals, but many of those scenes from inside should've had deadly force used (although there should've never gotten that far). What would'v happened if the SS hadn't have shot this lady and 100 of them got in there when members were still there?


You misunderstand ... the woman who died deserving it or not has no bearing on her death being a tragedy. (for me anyway)

I was shocked by the lack of security myself and I agree if this was BLM 100's could/would have died .... pretty sure heads will be rolling at some point.

Frankly it's a freaking miracle this wasn't 1000 times MORE ugly than it turned out.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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We just showed how weak our security is at one of the two most important building in the world. Next time they might have more than signs. They should've been met with far more force than they were. This has just emboldened them further.

*When they were outside I would've expected non-lethals, but many of those scenes from inside should've had deadly force used (although there should've never gotten that far). What would'v happened if the SS hadn't have shot this lady and 100 of them got in there when members were still there?

The Capitol Police let the brownshirts in.
 

SteveGrabowski

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You misunderstand ... the woman who died deserving it or not has no bearing on her death being a tragedy. (for me anyway)

I was shocked by the lack of security myself and I agree if this was BLM 100's could/would have died .... pretty sure heads will be rolling at some point.

There wasn't a lack of security. They let Trump's death cult in.
 
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MtnMan

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Who here didn't see this type of action from CULT-45 members? Trump was verbally stiring up trouble. I saw it coming and DC is a 7 hour drive for me but I posted questions about the likelihood of violence in DC on the 6th.

But apparently Capitol Police were surprised? Hmmmmm......
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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You assume the Capitol Police as a whole actually gave a damn. There are multiple videos and photos of CP shaking hands of protestors, talking and laughing with them, letting them walk out after vandalizing and looting and desecrating the American flag, taking down the American flag to fly Confederate flags or Trump flags. And CP just let them walk out. Took selfies with them.

Some of those that work forces...
No, I actively think they don't give a damn, which was my point. We pay 2000 cops to protect the capital building and apparently as long as you are white you could go in there with a pipebomb and AR15.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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You misunderstand ... the woman who died deserving it or not has no bearing on her death being a tragedy. (for me anyway)

I was shocked by the lack of security myself and I agree if this was BLM 100's could/would have died .... pretty sure heads will be rolling at some point.

Frankly it's a freaking miracle this wasn't 1000 times MORE ugly than it turned out.
Do you feel the 19 hijackers on 9/11 dying were a tragedy as well?

I do feel bad that she was lied to and dupped into believing crazy stuff, but she personally made the decision to carry out an attack on the #3 person in our government. The tragedy is the death of any thought of American Exceptionalism (really over the last year).
 

brycejones

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Including the 4 Capital Police officers watching her break into Pelosi's office?

This is the most justified police shooting I've ever seen. This person was actively attempting to overthrow our government, I hope she is enjoying hell.
I am not saying it wasn’t justified. I am more concerned about the actions taken by “leaders” in the country that radicalized her and set her on the path to this end. Trump and the people like Fox News show hosts who have made millions off of lying to people like her need to be held accountable.
 

amrnuke

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No, I actively think they don't give a damn, which was my point. We pay 2000 cops to protect the capital building and apparently as long as you are white you could go in there with a pipebomb and AR15.
Yep.

As an upper class white male from very conservative poor roots in southeastern Ohio, I actually hurt inside watching how police handled this versus how they treat black protestors. This country is so fucked, and that dichotomy pains me.
 

amrnuke

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Still shows weak security. "If you are group of white people, you can attempt to kidnap congress members" is pretty weak security.
Aiding and abetting traitors.

Is there a word for that?
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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If the police had actually been doing their jobs instead of removing barricades and taking selfies, it probably would not have gotten to the point of secret service shooting at people breaking and entering.
And this pyscho would still be alive.

ETA: Saying that as a good thing, not a bad thing.
 

BoomerD

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Which is weird because truth be told most veterans dont mindlessly support obviously bad presidents. The majority of them know how important stable sane government is actually bother to think about who they elect.
On the other hand, she only did four years in the air force and a LOT of those people are basically civilians with uniforms.

Like everyone who serves, she held up her right hand and promised to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic...nothing was said about becoming one of them.
 

MtnMan

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And this pyscho would still be alive.

ETA: Saying that as a good thing, not a bad thing.
Yea, some cop is having a really bad day dealing with the fact he had to take a life today. It tough on them, regardless of how some view it. Apparently at some point she was a sane competent person, considering she was allowed to re-enlist multiple times in the Air Force.
 

amrnuke

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Yea, some cop is having a really bad day dealing with the fact he had to take a life today. It tough on them, regardless of how some view it. Apparently at some point she was a sane competent person, considering she was allowed to re-enlist multiple times in the Air Force.
That Capital Police officer will likely go through hell as investigations try to figure out whether he did anything wrong. He put himself front and center to defend--with lethal force if necessary--our government. Sad thing is, he will likely need protective services for doing so. He killed a criminal to defend our government, and he's almost certainly going to have himself and his family doxxed relentlessly by folks whose skulls are filled primarily with runny porridge. No offense to porridge.
 

GodisanAtheist

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I cannot hate a person who thought she was fighting for her country and put her life on the line for it. She was misled into believing she was fighting for Democracy when she was really just a useful idiot.

I can hate the DRIED, CRUSTY CUM STAIN THAT WILL JUST NOT WASH OUT OF THE SHEETS that is the republican party and the WHATEVER THE HELL THAT THING IS THAT IS USED TO INSEMINATE COWS ON DAIRY FARMS that is Donald Trump along with the FROTHY SANTORUM that is right wing media for filling this poor woman's head with so much bullshit that she would give her life so meaninglessly for such a stupid cause.
 
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MtnMan

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That Capital Police officer will likely go through hell as investigations try to figure out whether he did anything wrong. He put himself front and center to defend--with lethal force if necessary--our government. Sad thing is, he will likely need protective services for doing so. He killed a criminal to defend our government, and he's almost certainly going to have himself and his family doxxed relentlessly by folks whose skulls are filled primarily with runny porridge. No offense to porridge.
Yep, he took an oath of office to defend the Constitution, and will pay dearly for doing that against a person that was out to destroy the Constitution, and while protecting assholes that also took an oath to defend the Constitution, but have zero intention of honoring that oath.
 

GodisanAtheist

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She was a grown adult and responsible for her treason.

- Aren't we all? I sometimes wonder who thinks my thoughts for me before barfing them into my brain for easy processing, like a mother bird to her chicks. I hope those folks take care of my reality.
 
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