Good "god" arguments!

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Cogman
Maybe your looking at it from the wrong point of view. You prove to me that a god does not exist. Go ahead and through your arguements of why he does not/cannot exsist and Ill respond to the best of my knowledge and beliefs.

Look... Here's the fact, there's as big a reason in believing in santa claus, as there is to believe in god!
And if you know human nature as well as i do, you definently know why people start believing!

You know why, but you won't explain?

As was said "We're not the side making a foundationless claim; we need prove nothing."
I'm simply no good at creating a compelling argument

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Cogman
Maybe your looking at it from the wrong point of view. You prove to me that a god does not exist. Go ahead and through your arguements of why he does not/cannot exsist and Ill respond to the best of my knowledge and beliefs.

Look... Here's the fact, there's as big a reason in believing in santa claus, as there is to believe in god!
And if you know human nature as well as i do, you definently know why people start believing!

You know why, but you won't explain?

As was said "We're not the side making a foundationless claim; we need prove nothing."
I'm simply no good at creating a compelling argument

I think both sides lack evidence. If one side did have evidence, it would be stupid to have a contrary belief. There is as much of a foundation for theism as there is for deism as there is for atheism, IMO.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just because there is no physical indication does not mean it does not exist.

You can not prove your mother loves you, yet you believe it to be so.

If we examine the chemical's in her brain, we'll be able to se that she does. Why is something neurobiologists will be able to tell us once!

There is no chemical that indicates love. Do you believe your mother's affection towards you is simply a series of chemical reactions brought to completion?

It would be horrendously stupid to believe otherwise! We can measure the happines she feels when she see's me, because that is chemicals! Unfortunately, we have not understood the function of the human brain fully yet, so we can't say why!

 

[Geekbabe]

"Good God,let's eat" ?

 

[Davegod75]

oh man..just took a look at your quote in your sig....i wouldn't consider a person who uses that quote one who is very "open"

 

[ampdot]

I'd recommend The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just because there is no physical indication does not mean it does not exist.

You can not prove your mother loves you, yet you believe it to be so.

If we examine the chemical's in her brain, we'll be able to se that she does. Why is something neurobiologists will be able to tell us once!

There is no chemical that indicates love. Do you believe your mother's affection towards you is simply a series of chemical reactions brought to completion?

It would be horrendously stupid to believe otherwise! We can measure the happines she feels when she see's me, because that is chemicals! Unfortunately, we have not understood the function of the human brain fully yet, so we can't say why!

So even if you can't explain why something happens and you only have correlational proof, you still believe? sounds like faith to me.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Cogman
Maybe your looking at it from the wrong point of view. You prove to me that a god does not exist. Go ahead and through your arguements of why he does not/cannot exsist and Ill respond to the best of my knowledge and beliefs.

Look... Here's the fact, there's as big a reason in believing in santa claus, as there is to believe in god!
And if you know human nature as well as i do, you definently know why people start believing!

You know why, but you won't explain?

As was said "We're not the side making a foundationless claim; we need prove nothing."
I'm simply no good at creating a compelling argument

I think both sides lack evidence. If one side did have evidence, it would be stupid to have a contrary belief. There is as much of a foundation for theism as there is for deism as there is for atheism, IMO.

That's where i believe your wrong. Why should i start to believe? There's _no_ evidence of any existance of any god, except for the fact that some parents tell you that god will be upset and bla bla bla...
Which ofcourse they believe, because they were taught by their parents! And frankly, my trust in peopl i don't know, is worth fuck-all! I do however, know that people can be made to believe, the most stupid and blatantly ignorant things!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Cogman
Maybe your looking at it from the wrong point of view. You prove to me that a god does not exist. Go ahead and through your arguements of why he does not/cannot exsist and Ill respond to the best of my knowledge and beliefs.

Look... Here's the fact, there's as big a reason in believing in santa claus, as there is to believe in god!
And if you know human nature as well as i do, you definently know why people start believing!

You know why, but you won't explain?

As was said "We're not the side making a foundationless claim; we need prove nothing."
I'm simply no good at creating a compelling argument

I think both sides lack evidence. If one side did have evidence, it would be stupid to have a contrary belief. There is as much of a foundation for theism as there is for deism as there is for atheism, IMO.

That's where i believe your wrong. Why should i start to believe? There's _no_ evidence of any existance of any god, except for the fact that some parents tell you that god will be upset and bla bla bla...
Which ofcourse they believe, because they were taught by their parents! And frankly, my trust in peopl i don't know, is worth fuck-all! I do however, know that people can be made to believe, the most stupid and blatantly ignorant things!

And there are people that have absolutely no evidence telling me that god doesn't exist. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just because there is no physical indication does not mean it does not exist.

You can not prove your mother loves you, yet you believe it to be so.

If we examine the cheical's in her brain, we'll be able to se that she does. Why is something neurobiologists will be able to tell us once!

There is no chemical that indicates love. Do you believe your mother's affection towards you is simply a series of chemical reactions brought to completion?

Can't speak for Forsythe, but I certainly do.

Originally posted by: Forsythe
It would be horrendously stupid to believe otherwise! We can measure the happines she feels when she see's me, because that is chemicals! Unfortunately, we have not understood the function of the human brain fully yet, so we can't say why!

Good point; religion has throughout history offered explanations (usually wrong ones, at that) for the unknown, a category which the human brain certainly still falls under and will for a while yet.

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I think both sides lack evidence. If one side did have evidence, it would be stupid to have a contrary belief. There is as much of a foundation for theism as there is for deism as there is for atheism, IMO.

There's a quote in one of our member's sigs.... rbloedow iirc? something like "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I think that's utter bs That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Just because there is no physical indication does not mean it does not exist.

You can not prove your mother loves you, yet you believe it to be so.

If we examine the chemical's in her brain, we'll be able to se that she does. Why is something neurobiologists will be able to tell us once!

There is no chemical that indicates love. Do you believe your mother's affection towards you is simply a series of chemical reactions brought to completion?

It would be horrendously stupid to believe otherwise! We can measure the happines she feels when she see's me, because that is chemicals! Unfortunately, we have not understood the function of the human brain fully yet, so we can't say why!

So even if you can't explain why something happens and you only have correlational proof, you still believe? sounds like faith to me.

Our "faith" lies in our knowledge of evolution, where it has been nescesarry to have a family in order to create a surviveable enviroment! Gurck has expressed it reasonably sensible in a previous post!

 

[ampdot]

I'd recommend The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowellText link Fixed

 

[Forsythe]

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Hear hear!

Why believe when there is absolutely no evidence?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
I think both sides lack evidence. If one side did have evidence, it would be stupid to have a contrary belief. There is as much of a foundation for theism as there is for deism as there is for atheism, IMO.

There's a quote in one of our member's sigs.... rbloedow maybe? something like "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I think that's utter bs though That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Yeah, I believe it's his sig. I've read it and thought it made decent sense. I just think the attitude of the stereotypical atheist is pretty silly.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Hear hear!

Why believe when there is absolutely no evidence?

Why do you believe what you believe with absolutely no evidence?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: ampdot
I'd recommend The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowellText link Fixed

Sounds interesting, from the description given though it seems to me to be biased... I realize it's damn hard to avoid bias on an issue like this, but is it dogmatically so, or could it be a good read (and not in a humorous sense ) for non-christians?

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Hear hear!

Why believe when there is absolutely no evidence?

Why do you believe what you believe with absolutely no evidence?

I don't... I believe because i have no other alternative of things to believe, because that "god" thing is absolutely laughable, to me! So that kinda narrows it down! In fact, i wouldn't even lable it belief. Rather that i know, that some inner workings of our dear brain create that awefull putrid feeling called love...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Hear hear!

Why believe when there is absolutely no evidence?

Why do you believe what you believe with absolutely no evidence?

I don't... I believe because i have no other alternative of things to believe, because that "god" thing is absolutely laughable, to me!

We go full circle back to the closed attitude, and throw in a little ridicule. You believe one thing without evidence, yet ridicule those that believe something else without evidence. Like I said, silly.

I'm done with this then.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

Hear hear!

Why believe when there is absolutely no evidence?

Why do you believe what you believe with absolutely no evidence?

I don't... I believe because i have no other alternative of things to believe, because that "god" thing is absolutely laughable, to me!

We go full circle back to the closed attitude, and throw in a little ridicule. You believe one thing without evidence, yet ridicule those that believe something else without evidence. Like I said, silly.

I'm done with this then.

What do i believe without evidence?

I just edited my post from above with this. Allthough i don't know what i was answering!

I don't... I believe because i have no other alternative of things to believe, because that "god" thing is absolutely laughable, to me! So that kinda narrows it down! In fact, i wouldn't even lable it belief. Rather that i know, that some inner workings of our dear brain create that awefull putrid feeling called love...

Please, don't leave, i'm trying to have a sober debate here. Sadly i'm just to... What's that word? Stupid perhaps, to remember what' i "believe" in!

 

[The Green Bean]

Why doesnt someeone try and prove God does not exist?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
What do i believe without evidence?

The lack of a higher being.

 

[Forsythe]

That all of known history hasn't a single shred of scientific evidence supporting the existence of a deity or deities, imo, is evidence - strong evidence - of absence.

By Gurck btw!

 

[The Green Bean]

I would say go back to the begninning of the beginning of the universe as modern science says. Anyways matter can not exist out of nowhere. Energy? Where did all the energy in the universe come from? Not magically. Because outside the universe nothing exists. No dimentions, no coulour - nothingness we cannot imagine. Just becuase God is something we can not see or feel doesnt mean he does not exist.

 

[Forsythe]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Forsythe
What do i believe without evidence?

The lack of a higher being.

I believe in what i percieve from my senses, my memory my eyes, and what i process through my brain.
Therefor there's i no reason for me to belive in "a higher being" controlling my surroundings, or perhaps even me.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
My theory...

Athiest = stupid
Agnostics = smart
Religious people = happy in their own narrow minded version of reality

All I have to say is if a man claimed he was a prophet/son of god today he would be sent to a mental hospital. If a man claimed it thousands of years ago people would listen.

My theory = my theory .. 99.9% disagree... so don't comment on it.

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