Good Linux support they say...

[ultimatebob]

No he wasn't.

This particular comment was about NVidia's lack of Optimus graphics drivers for Linux. If you have a laptop that uses the NVidia Optimus platform, you would be pissed as well... you basically paid $200 extra for high end discrete graphics that you can't use under Linux, because only the integrated Intel graphics work.

That said, Intel's graphics drivers are even worse than Nvidia's... I've had nothing but problems with them. At least the Nvidia drivers are feature complete and stable on the platforms that they DO support.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Nvidia keeps updating support for their line going back years. They continue to offer improvements in performance and features to even the GTX400 series and the GTX 200 series even got adaptive vsync support. What other driver team releases updates that support cards released back in 2008/2009?

Adaptive Vsync sucks because it DOSEN'T WORK and the drivers do nothing for the 2xx series for I had one for a year between 2011 and 2012 and no changes were relevant through driver updates.

 

[Gordon Freemen]

This particular comment was about NVidia's lack of Optimus graphics drivers for Linux. If you have a laptop that uses the NVidia Optimus platform, you would be pissed as well... you basically paid $200 extra for high end discrete graphics that you can't use under Linux, because only the integrated Intel graphics work.

That said, Intel's graphics drivers are even worse than Nvidia's... I've had nothing but problems with them. At least the Nvidia drivers are feature complete and stable on the platforms that they DO support.

AMD Radeon drivers are stable as well and stable drivers well that's kind of to be expected not a bonus so I would not put it as a plus that nvidia has a driver that works LOL. Also since I upgraded from my GTX 275 to a GTX 560 my Linux Mint distro will not load the display driver on boot up so I am staring at a blank screen instead of a login screen so ya nvidia has issues as well as any other.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Your not very smart being that Linux is better than Windows in almost every way and Steam will be Native on Linux at some point soon. OPENGL FTW !

Really...tell that to gaming companies :whiste:

Linux is niche OS...with a userbase that generates far TOO MUCH noise compared to their numbers.

Besides, if I put linux on my desktop...it would downgrade most of my hardware(performance/functionality/features)...and some of my hardware wouldn't run at all.

So Linux can kiss my hairy a**..."better"...LOL

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Really...tell that to gaming companies :whiste:

Linux is niche OS...with a userbase that generates far TOO MUCH noise compared to their numbers.

Besides, if I put linux on my desktop...it would downgrade most of my hardware(performance/functionality/features)...and some of my hardware wouldn't run at all.

So Linux can kiss my hairy a**..."better"...LOL

What you're not understanding is that Linux runs faster than Windows not because it uses more of your "powerful" hardware but because it needs less to run faster LOL. Ever tried running a whole OS off the RAM talk about speedy. When Steam supports an OS the game companies will follow bud.

 

[blackened23]

Really...tell that to gaming companies :whiste:

Linux is niche OS...with a userbase that generates far TOO MUCH noise compared to their numbers.

Besides, if I put linux on my desktop...it would downgrade most of my hardware(performance/functionality/features)...and some of my hardware wouldn't run at all.

So Linux can kiss my hairy a**..."better"...LOL

Weren't you saying something about fanboy glasses in another thread?

 

[Gordon Freemen]

Weren't you saying something about fanboy glasses in another thread?

Funny thing is that ignoramuses don't understand is most Linux distros can run faster on legacy hardware than Windows7 can on the latest LOL. In short Window7 is a bloated proprietary POS & DX is the only thing keeping me from making a full on jump to linux even though OPEN GL is just as good but not as supported.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Really...tell that to gaming companies :whiste:

Linux is niche OS...with a userbase that generates far TOO MUCH noise compared to their numbers.

Besides, if I put linux on my desktop...it would downgrade most of my hardware(performance/functionality/features)...and some of my hardware wouldn't run at all.

So Linux can kiss my hairy a**..."better"...LOL

So you clearly do not understand that Android is a Linux OS.

A big complaint here is that Android is unable to work properly on Tegra Chip sets because of Nvidia.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So you clearly do not understand that Android is a Linux OS.

A big complaint here is that Android is unable to work properly on Tegra Chip sets because of Nvidia.

I do...funny how people seem to know better what I know...then myself.

Troll on..,.this thread was nothing but a red burp...in the wrong subforum.

Notice how the talk is converging on the differences in OS'es..and not videocards...

 

[Lonbjerg]

This particular comment was about NVidia's lack of Optimus graphics drivers for Linux. If you have a laptop that uses the NVidia Optimus platform, you would be pissed as well... you basically paid $200 extra for high end discrete graphics that you can't use under Linux, because only the integrated Intel graphics work.

That said, Intel's graphics drivers are even worse than Nvidia's... I've had nothing but problems with them. At least the Nvidia drivers are feature complete and stable on the platforms that they DO support.

You are forgetting something...this is not about drivers or featurecomplete.

It's about OPEN SOURCE POLICIES...which dosn't matter to me...as the games I play...don't work under crapnux...

 

[Vesku]

Actually it was about providing specifications and driver information. In particular, frustration at Nvidia not providing any and thus leaving the dedicated GPU in optimus laptops inaccessible for a very long time for Linux users. It just so happens that the lack of cooperation strengthens the open source driver evangelists among Linux devs.

It has very little if anything to do with AMD's Open Source drivers. Linus had been saying for a long time that closed was fine but that information and specs should be provided to make sure Linux works well with the hardware.

You are forgetting something...this is not about drivers or featurecomplete.

It's about OPEN SOURCE POLICIES...which dosn't matter to me...as the games I play...don't work under crapnux...

 

[ZimZum]

This thread is hilarious.

So far in this thread we have learned:

Linus Torvalds has below average intelligence.
Linux sucks because you cant play Minesweeper on it.
Linus didnt do anything special, if he hadnt created Linux someone else would have.
and my favorite:
Linux is just a GUI for Unix

Keep em coming guys , this is good stuff.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I know who he is. But what he is doing is very damaging. If Linux only evolves around Linus. Then what happens when Linus aint there anymore? His behavious is very destructive, specially towards Linux.

Does it still? I've always thought that he's just the one who started it. There are so many other contributers involved in the project.

 

[Lonbjerg]

This thread is hilarious.

So far in this thread we have learned:

Linus Torvalds has below average intelligence.
Linux sucks because you cant play Minesweeper on it.
Linus didnt do anything special, if he hadnt created Linux someone else would have.
and my favorite:
Linux is just a GUI for Unix

Keep em coming guys , this is good stuff.

AMD fan makes (flamebait)thread about evil NVIDIA...only to reveal that Linus just became 12 years old.

You forgot that one

 

[Schmide]

You are forgetting something...this is not about drivers or featurecomplete.

It's about OPEN SOURCE POLICIES...which dosn't matter to me...as the games I play...don't work under crapnux...

Then WTF are you doing in this thread?

 

[blackened23]

AMD fan makes (flamebait)thread about evil NVIDIA...only to reveal that Linus just became 12 years old.

You forgot that one

I don't understand the intricacies of linux enough to comment but I find it pretty humorous that AMD is even brought up. Not sure why AMD has anything to do with Linus' opinions.

 

[Imouto]

I don't understand the intricacies of linux enough to comment but I find it pretty humorous that AMD is even brought up. Not sure why AMD has anything to do with Linus' opinions.

Tinfoil hats.

 

[Soulkeeper]

This is what it boils down to:

intel: good history of open source drivers available when hardware is released "enablement"
amd: recent history of providing some documents/support but limited resources/employees
nvidia: complete refusal to support anything but their proprietary driver

intel: intel/community created open source drivers only (lotsa docs/help)
amd: proprietary + community created open drivers available (with docs/help)
nvidia: proprietary + reverse engineered drivers(without docs/help)

As it relates to gnu/linux, the goal is "enablement" of hardware on release with distros available at the time. Distros can't legally be distributed with the proprietary drivers, it violates the licenses (but you can always download/install them seperately on your own). This is a matter of inconvenience for many and serves to undermine the proliferation of gnu/linux, not to mention making the job of the programmers harder as they have to essentially reverse engineer hardware to create drivers. (IE: what happens if I read/write a few bytes to X/Y, why didn't they just tell me this !?).

The argument of nvidia vs. amd's proprietary drivers is not at all what this is about. That would be better served in it's own thread. Intel doesn't even provide proprietary drivers and their hardware is amoung the best/earliest supported in linux.

I've used gnu/linux for nearly 15yrs now, and I grow to like it more each year.
I havn't installed windows or played the latest/greatest video game since 2004.
I'm very "niche" and wouldn't have it any other way

 

[Lonbjerg]

I don't understand the intricacies of linux enough to comment but I find it pretty humorous that AMD is even brought up. Not sure why AMD has anything to do with Linus' opinions.

You mean to say the OP is unknown to you?

I smell intellectual dishonesty now :whiste:

 

[Lonbjerg]

Then WTF are you doing in this thread?

Posting about the topic and flaws of this thread location...what are you doing here?

 

[Keysplayr]

It's Torvalds.

How many lines of code do you think Bill Gates wrote himself for Windows? Firstly, Linus is widely known as a coding genius, but his real genius is knowing how to merge all the contributing code together and make it work. Linux is an incredibly fast and stable system, and it utilizes multi-core and memory far better than Windows for starters. The network stack is also really amazing.

You are judging his intelligence based on a single statement?

So then how should I have worded it to make you happy? He's smart, but a total nitwit in the people skills department? What's your flavor? What'll make you happy? The one who seemingly got miffed when someone spelled his name with an O instead of an A.

 

[Keysplayr]

This thread is hilarious.

So far in this thread we have learned:

Linus Torvalds has below average intelligence.
Linux sucks because you cant play Minesweeper on it.
Linus didnt do anything special, if he hadnt created Linux someone else would have.
and my favorite:
Linux is just a GUI for Unix

Keep em coming guys , this is good stuff.

Hey Zummy, Would you then like to maybe ADD something instead of just armchair judging all other opinions?

EDIT: This thread should be moved out of here to the software forum.

 

[Lonbjerg]

This is what it boils down to:

intel: good history of open source drivers available when hardware is released "enablement"
amd: recent history of providing some documents/support but limited resources/employees
nvidia: complete refusal to support anything but their proprietary driver

intel: intel/community created open source drivers only (lotsa docs/help)
amd: proprietary + community created open drivers available (with docs/help)
nvidia: proprietary + reverse engineered drivers(without docs/help)

As it relates to gnu/linux, the goal is "enablement" of hardware on release with distros available at the time. Distros can't legally be distributed with the proprietary drivers, it violates the licenses (but you can always download/install them seperately on your own). This is a matter of inconvenience for many and serves to undermine the proliferation of gnu/linux, not to mention making the job of the programmers harder as they have to essentially reverse engineer hardware to create drivers. (IE: what happens if I read/write a few bytes to X/Y, why didn't they just tell me this !?).

The argument of nvidia vs. amd's proprietary drivers is not at all what this is about. That would be better served in it's own thread.

Give me one good reason to why I should pay for open source NVIDIA drivers on linux?

Because that is what Linus is saying.
He wan't NVIDIA (read: the consumers) to pay for open source drivers on linux...and flips the bird as a powerfull "argument"...for not being taken seriously.

Why should NVIDIA spend resources/manpower on making open source drivers for linux?
Fuzzy warm feelings?

I actually like that they don't waste to much time on linux and focus on where the main use of their GPU's are located:

Gaming on windows.

 

[blackened23]

You mean to say the OP is unknown to you?

I smell intellectual dishonesty now :whiste:

LMAO! I heard galkai uses linux in their data centers for their cloud gaming services. Hmm.

 

[Lonbjerg]

LMAO! I heard galkai uses linux in their data centers for their cloud gaming services. Hmm.

Was that an argument?
Do you have a point?
Why should I pay for linux open soruce drivers for NVIDIA hardware?

I don't give 5 pots of urine for the likes of Richard Stallman...or Thorvald Linus...when they fell entitled to dictate over other peoples code...and the use of such code.

This, once again, is about open soruce, it's hippies, it's policies...and it's childish selfentitled behavouir.

Or is he just pissed that a closed source driver(NVIDIA - LINUX) runs better/more feature complete than an open soruce driver(AMD - LINUX)?

Who knows...who cares...it's linux...a niche OS...with a far to noisy fanbase