Good with AMD FX 8350

[Rvenger]

What do you use your 4 computers to do?

Gaming?

 

[SPBHM]

you guys also have to take into account 1155 is essentially a dead socket whereas am3+ has been confirmed to be good through 2014 so although ivb i5 (i3 ehhhhh) would be better for gaming and a few other tasks he'd have no upgrade path but pd would be better for multitasking, video encoding, and for keeping the same mobo for a long amount of time while being able to upgrade cpus

I really doubt they are ever going to release anything clearly superior to a 3570-3770K for AM3+,


just buy a cheaper MBs (considering the low power usage of Intel CPUs, there is even less need for higher end motherboards) and upgrade more frequently with the CPU, you will never going to be restricted to one socket, and you are going to get updated or new features more frequently.

 

[Puppies04]

higher ipc has been confirmed

That old chestnut, cough JF cough. :whiste:

 

[inf64]

New FX models will be tweaked Piledriver(for power draw and clock). I doubt there will be any IPC changes but it's ok if it will perform ~5% better with hopefully tad less power consumed.

 

[Rvenger]

New FX models will be tweaked Piledriver(for power draw and clock). I doubt there will be any IPC changes but it's ok if it will perform ~5% better with hopefully tad less power consumed.

Rumor that it might have RCM.

 

[inf64]

I doubt that since RCM is achieving its peak usefulness at lower clock range(between 2 and 3Ghz IIRC) and loses all the advantages when clock speed and voltage is pushed higher. This is maybe good for new mobile Trinity(Richland) parts that are coming with better power specs and higher clocks at the same time.

 

[frankthetank195]

I've got my Phenom II x4 965 BE up to 4.0 GHz right now with a Corsair H60. The 955 probably can't reach quite that high, but you can definitely push it.

 

[Rvenger]

Seriously, I really commend AMD for at least updating their SKUs for 2013.

 

[guskline]

Gaming?

Yes. One rig is set for Surround with 3 1920x1080 monitors. Another has a 27.5"HannsG.

 

[Piroko]

I doubt that since RCM is achieving its peak usefulness at lower clock range(between 2 and 3Ghz IIRC) and loses all the advantages when clock speed and voltage is pushed higher.

Prove me wrong, but to my understanding you can modify an RCM for different resonance peaks.

 

[Abwx]

my understanding you can modify an RCM for different resonance peaks.

That s correct , indeed.

The RCM interest is at the higher frequencies , the ones at wich
clock drive require a lot of current , hence increased losses.

At low frequencies it is more or less useless.

The circuit resonance is adjusted thanks to resistors
that will slightly shift the resonance frequency but also
reduce the circuit Q (selectivity and resonance factor/amplitude) ,
hence slightly reducing its efficency.

 

[daveybrat]

I'm sorry about your accident. Dirt biking is fun but dangerous. I preferred just motoring around on my XR400 known as the moto-couch because it was so relaxed. It made me less aggressive.

Anyways, none of the uses you stated justify an upgrade. Your computer is already pretty fast and I don't think you'll notice any difference if you upgrade the CPU. Even your GPU is overkill for your use case. There are other things you can do to it if you want to tinker with it. You can add an SSD. This is the best upgrade you can do to your computer ever. It will feel like a completely new machine because flash memory is so much faster than a spinning mechanical harddrive. Spend your money on an SSD. Then, you can always tinker with a new CPU cooler on your current rig, overclock that a bit, make it quieter, etc. There's plenty you can do with your cash but a CPU upgrade is not going to give you any satisfaction. It's not your bottleneck.

He said it perfectly. You haven't mentioned gaming as one of your activities. With the daily tasks you perform on the pc, i really don't think you'll notice any speed increases going from a Quad Phenom II to a faster processor.

SSD is really the way to go and you'll see a noticable massive improvement in system responsiveness. I was in the same boat as you last year with my system, a 960T Phenom II and adding a 128GB SSD was the best investment i've ever made so far.

 

[inf64]

This is from a paper Cyclos submitted:

You can see where the drop off effect starts. It's possible it can be tuned additionally but whether AMD had done it to new FX or Richland is unknown.

 

[FlanK3r]

Its not higher IPC if you just increase clocks

its not true...There is clock to clock comparison in games:
4 GHz Bulldozer vs 4GHZ Vishera
http://extrahardware.cnews.cz/testy/piledriver-vs-bulldozer-takt-na-takt-4-ghz

Or there:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2012/test-amd-fx-8350-vishera/4/
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2012/test-amd-fx-8350-vishera/8/
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/880-6/bulldozer-vs-piledriver-4-ghz.html


I know, you are smart guy, but Im guy, who read all CPU reviews from world. At one product about 40-80 reviews . One product consumed maybe 24hours of my free time . Its crazy, but I made it since 2007. Of course, I have some FXs (and not only FXs) at home, so I have some practice experience too. Vishera is not bad, really.

 

[inf64]

I think Shintai meant there won't be IPC increase with "new" FX that are yet to launch(ie. 8370). I think he knows that Piledriver is noticeably faster core than Bulldozer .

 

[JimmiG]

Your system is quite similar to mine. I'm just going to keep using mine the way it is until Haswell comes out in the summer. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point, IMO.

Try and see if you can OC your Ph-II to 3.6 - 4 GHz, get a SSD and a faster video card. Then if you're still not happy, consider switching to an Intel CPU+mobo. Sure AMD FX 8-series is faster than Ph-II (most of the time) but the difference isn't as dramatic as going to an Intel CPU and overclocking it to 4.5 GHz.

 

[mrmt]

I doubt that since RCM is achieving its peak usefulness at lower clock range(between 2 and 3Ghz IIRC) and loses all the advantages when clock speed and voltage is pushed higher. This is maybe good for new mobile Trinity(Richland) parts that are coming with better power specs and higher clocks at the same time.

If AMD does not breach their own 125W specs in their next half-baked line refresh it will be already a good thing.

 

[FlanK3r]

inf64: maybe some little imporvements here will be
1)lower power consumption
2)about 1% higher IPC+better IMC
3)a bit higher OC (+100 MHz)

As in time C2 vs C3 Phenoms II

 

[Rvenger]

Any improvement is better than none, unless you want AMD to fail.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

As in time C2 vs C3 Phenoms II

C2 vs C3 wasn't really worth the upgrade. 3.6-3.8 vs 3.8-4.2 was basically how I remember that playing out.





Isn't Haswell supposed to be out in a month or two? I know everyone hates the "wait for x" group, but I'm waiting

Maybe I'll go 1 out of 2, waiting on the GPU's looks like I might get burnt...

 

[CHADBOGA]

its not true...There is clock to clock comparison in games:.
.
I know, you are smart guy, but Im guy, who read all CPU reviews from world. At one product about 40-80 reviews . One product consumed maybe 24hours of my free time . Its crazy, but I made it since 2007. Of course, I have some FXs (and not only FXs) at home, so I have some practice experience too. Vishera is not bad, really.

It is a pity you didn't read the thread more closely and correctly pick up on the context of Shintai's post. :biggrin:

 

[Rvenger]

C2 vs C3 wasn't really worth the upgrade. 3.6-3.8 vs 3.8-4.2 was basically how I remember that playing out.





Isn't Haswell supposed to be out in a month or two? I know everyone hates the "wait for x" group, but I'm waiting

Maybe I'll go 1 out of 2, waiting on the GPU's looks like I might get burnt...

I thought it was more of power consumption. Man the C2s ran hot!!

I am waiting on Haswell too, I can't overclock past 4.2 or my temps will go past 80c.