Goodbye SlySoft and AnyDVD

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JSt0rm

Lifer
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You, a person in the industry, believe that that stream is the same quality as whats on the BR disc? You don't think their compressing it just a wee bit?


What if I told you... blurays are compressed? D:
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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What if I told you... blurays are compressed? D:

What if I told you, there are different levels of compression? D:
So you're going to stand by the theory that the streaming video AND audio from Amazon/Netflix/etc are the same quality as an original Blu-Ray disk?
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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It depends. It's gotten a lot better over the last couple years. Also content you purchase or rent is buffered and they give you a higher bit rate. The free stuff or the stuff part of your subscription doesn't look as good. That's true.

Showtime is also stereo only. I told them. They need to fix that before I subscribe again.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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The DMCA was the US implementation of an international treaty. Canada's version is the Copyright Modernization Act.

We have a media levy. That made downloading ok. Courts have ruled on this already. And no the courts don't like US RIAA style bullying so the complainant will have to pay the isp a fee to pull the ip and account info per instance.
 
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CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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you do know that special rental disks are made that cost more?

Yes. And I also know that First Sale Doctrine gives them the right to go buy one off the shelf like you and I and rent it without consent of the copyright holder.

I can charge you for loaning my copy of Interstellar even though I can't display it publicly or charge the public for private viewing. Crazy, right?

Nintendo tried to stop the rental of video games way back during the 8-bit NES days and lost BADLY.
https://youtu.be/J3xuy5YALl0

It didn't stop them from putting "Rental prohibited without express consent" on every box and manual they made from then until today. Nintendo's claim wasn't true any more than Blockbuster's claim that the Weinstein Company movies were exclusive to them. Indeed, I rented several from a local video store in San Diego during that period and they were also available from Netflix (discs by mail).

The rental versions come with profit-sharing agreements that reduce risks and often include other incentives (early availability, reduced cost for delayed availability, extra copies to be destroyed after initial rental demand is served, less content to promote the retail version over buying a pre-owned rental version, etc).
 
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CZroe

Lifer
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We have a media levy. That made downloading ok. Courts have ruled on this already. And no the courts don't like US RIAA style bullying so the complainant will have to pay the isp a fee to pull the ip and account info per instance.

The part of the DMCA that is relevant to AnyDVD is the part about circumventing a copy protection to do something that is otherwise legal (fair use). That part has nothing to do with downloading a pirated movie from the Internet. Canada's law still covers circumvention.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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The part of the DMCA that is relevant to AnyDVD is the part about circumventing a copy protection to do something that is otherwise legal (fair use). That part has nothing to do with downloading a pirated movie from the Internet. Canada's law still covers circumvention.

The rule is there, however it is aimed at commercial pirates. Here is Michael Geist, prominent copyright lawyer, talking about it.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2012/11/c-11-impact/
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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The rule is there, however it is aimed at commercial pirates. Here is Michael Geist, prominent copyright lawyer, talking about it.

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2012/11/c-11-impact/

The thing is, commercial piracy was already illegal. Copying for Fair Use with no intent to sell or distribute indiscriminately never should have been restricted. They should be free to implement copy protections and we should be free to break them on our own property as long as we aren't doing so to profit illegally (again: already covered by previously existing laws).

*sigh*

Why can't common sense apply? Jst0rm needs to realize that most everyone using AnyDVD is on his side as far as commercial piracy and indiscriminate sharing go. He's barking up the wrong tree. What he really wants is to stop casual/anonymous large-scale sharing over the Internet, which is an enforcement issue more than anything.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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The thing is, commercial piracy was already illegal. Copying for Fair Use with no intent to sell or distribute indiscriminately never should have been restricted. They should be free to implement copy protections and we should be free to break them on our own property as long as we aren't doing so to profit illegally (again: already covered by previously existing laws).

*sigh*

Why can't common sense apply? Jst0rm needs to realize that most everyone using AnyDVD is on his side as far as commercial piracy and indiscriminate sharing go. He's barking up the wrong tree. What he really wants is to stop casual/anonymous large-scale sharing over the Internet, which is an enforcement issue more than anything.

Right wing government bowing to RIAA and MPAA pressure, what can I say.
 

CZroe

Lifer
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Right wing government bowing to RIAA and MPAA pressure, what can I say.

Can't say I like Canada's RIAA tax on blank media any better. Here, both sides are corporate shills. Our DMCA was signed by President Clinton.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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Can't say I like Canada's RIAA tax on blank media any better. Here, both sides are corporate shills. Our DMCA was signed by President Clinton.

Yeah they are all looking after corpiration interest, just varying degrees.
 

Ichinisan

Lifer
Oct 9, 2002
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how many of you will rationalize stealing the 4k version of a thing you own 1080p of "because you already bought it" Hmmm? I bet lots.

Why do you assume I would do such a thing? Why is it OK for you to make this assumption about me?

I didn't do that with the DVD to Blu-Ray transition. I gave away most of my DVDs and re-purchased Blu-Ray discs of all my favorite movies.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I just recalled another case where AnyDVD HD legitimately enabled a purchase I otherwise would not have made:

After the mainstream success of Random Access Memories, I realized that an influx of new fans were going to make the Daft Punk stuff I had procrastinated on obtaining disappear. "I had better buy now," I thought.


So I bought it. The US version was out of print and, thus, was more expensive than I was willing to pay. I looked for alternatives and Amazon gave me one for about $15 shipped (about the most I've ever spent on a BD). Actually, it was the one Amazon suggested front and center when you searched for it (not an "alternative" I had to dig for).


It says "All Regions" and it is the version Amazon promotes to me when I search, so I should be good, right?


Nope. We all gathered together to watch it on the setup with the best sound system but all we'd get on the PS3 was a blank screen. After trying a stand-alone BD player, we realized that the Amazon description was simply wrong and that this was a Region B disc.

I was ready to return it and went through all the motions short of actually shipping it when I noticed that VLC had just added rudimentary BD support for unencrypted BDs. As an AnyDVD HD owner/user, all I did was insert the disc into the HTPC's BD drive, open VLC, and play it. AnyDVD HD was already running in the background invisibly removing the region protection and encryption in real time.

After we were all done watching it I made a Handbrake rip that I still carry on my phone when I want to watch one of the music videos. I canceled the return and still have the BD. I don't care what the DMCA says: I DID NOT PIRATE THAT DISC. I would have returned it and just watched on YouTube if it weren't for SlySoft's AnyDVD HD.

After looking it up to make this post I see that Amazon did not ever correct the entry even though I reported the error.
 
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Homerboy

Lifer
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i just recalled another case where anydvd hd legitimately enabled a purchase i otherwise would not have made:
<snip>

after looking it up to make this post i see that amazon did not ever correct the entry even though i reported the error.

pirate!
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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I just recalled another case where AnyDVD HD legitimately enabled a purchase I otherwise would not have made:

After the mainstream success of Random Access Memories, I realized that an influx of new fans were going to make the Daft Punk stuff I had procrastinated on obtaining disappear. "I had better buy now," I thought.


So I bought it. The US version was out of print and, thus, was more expensive than I was willing to pay. I looked for alternatives and Amazon gave me one for about $15 shipped (about the most I've ever spent on a BD). Actually, it was the one Amazon suggested front and center when you searched for it (not an "alternative" I had to dig for).


It says "All Regions" and it is the version Amazon promotes to me when I search, so I should be good, right?


Nope. We all gathered together to watch it on the setup with the best sound system but all we'd get on the PS3 was a blank screen. After trying a stand-alone BD player, we realized that the Amazon description was simply wrong and that this was a Region B disc.

I was ready to return it and went through all the motions short of actually shipping it when I noticed that VLC had just added rudimentary BD support for unencrypted BDs. As an AnyDVD HD owner/user, all I did was insert the disc into the HTPC's BD drive, open VLC, and play it. AnyDVD HD was already running in the background invisibly removing the region protection and encryption in real time.

After we were all done watching it I made a Handbrake rip that I still carry on my phone when I want to watch one of the music videos. I canceled the return and still have the BD. I don't care what the DMCA says: I DID NOT PIRATE THAT DISC. I would have returned it and just watched on YouTube if it weren't for SlySoft's AnyDVD HD.

After looking it up to make this post I see that Amazon did not ever correct the entry even though I reported the error.


Format: PAL, import

Do you know what PAL means? lol.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Format: PAL, import

Do you know what PAL means? lol.

Yes. I knew I was ordering an import disc in 1080i. This was not a PAL vs. NTSC issue, it was a Region B disc in a Region A player issue. Amazon had it incorrectly listed as "All Region." As a content creator, don't you know ANYTHING about region codes?!
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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you bought a gray (or grey heh) market item and brag about it. You dont even know what pal is. u dum.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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you bought a gray (or grey heh) market item and brag about it. You dont even know what pal is. u dum.

I know what PAL, SECAM, NTSC, etc is perfectly well. You, OTOH, are demonstrating that you do not.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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I know what PAL, SECAM, NTSC, etc is perfectly well. You, OTOH, are demonstrating that you do not.

When you gathered your family around your bluray player and saw black you knew that was going to happen but did it anyhow?
 
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