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[CZroe]

If its not ntsc (usa/japan) then what is it?

SECAM? PAL-B? NTSC-J and NTSC-U have slight differences too, you know. I have to deal with a lot of this 20 years ago when patching PAL N64 games to run on my V64 backup hardware.

 

[JSt0rm]

I guess on a normal playback device, the region coding would prevent the disk from playing. It isn't because the material on the BD is "PAL", it is because the disk is flagged for a different region code than what the player is authorized to play. I don't think the NTSC TV cares one way or the other. It is the player that cares.

did you google that or are you assuming?

 

[CZroe]

So if czroe sat down with a pal flagged bluray disk and tried to play it on a ntsc tv what happens?

It works, provided that the disc is region free (most are). That's what happens. There is no "PAL flag." It doesn't just take a television signal off of the disc and amplify it for the TV, FFS. ALL BD players adapt to the resolution and frame rate supported by your TV. This isn't LaserDisc we're talking about here.

did you google that or are you assuming?

NO assumptions. Simple fact. It was necessitated at the launch of the format by HDTV monitors frequently having ONE supported HDTV signal. It's the same reason every HDTV tuner, cable box, and sat box had an output resolution setting.

 

[ControlD]

did you google that or are you assuming?

I am assuming that, but it makes sense if the disc itself has the same source material no matter what region it is sold for.

 

[JSt0rm]

ok so assume things then. cool.

 

[ControlD]

ok so assume things then. cool.

If you know otherwise, this would be the time to speak up.

But, turn the argument around.

You can purchase region free Blu-Ray discs. Those discs will work on any player in any region (A,B, or C). How would that be possible if the disc, not the player, was responsible for the final output format? It wouldn't work unless the disc had two complete versions of the source (one for PAL, one for NTSC). But region free discs don't have two complete copies, they only have one.

 

[JSt0rm]

If you know otherwise, this would be the time to speak up.

But, turn the argument around.

You can purchase region free Blu-Ray discs. Those discs will work on any player in any region (A,B, or C). How would that be possible if the disc, not the player, was responsible for the final output format? It wouldn't work unless the disc had two complete versions of the source (one for PAL, one for NTSC). But region free discs don't have two complete copies, they only have one.

But we arent talking about any bluray disc. We are talking about a specific bluray disk.

 

[JSt0rm]

let me ask another question.

If you have standard definition content on a bluray disk is it ntsc or pal or what?

 

[ControlD]

let me ask another question.

If you have standard definition content on a bluray disk is it ntsc or pal or what?

Standard definition stuff will still be PAL or NTSC from what I have read. That could be a problem.

 

[CZroe]

let me ask another question.

If you have standard definition content on a bluray disk is it ntsc or pal or what?

It's 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p. Video format != signal type. PAL is a signal type, not a video format. The signal type defines certain expected/ideal video formats but this is not a two-way street. The player handles the output conversion. That's what we've been trying to tell you.

 

[JSt0rm]

Standard definition stuff will still be PAL or NTSC from what I have read. That could be a problem.

So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?

You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type

 

[CZroe]

So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?

You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type

Try again. It's not standard definition just because it's 4:3. It's 4:3 1080i. Look at the very first image. 4:3 is called "Academy aspect ratio" because it is used in films too. There's no such thing as "standard definition celluloid film." That's why there is a lot of 1080p 4:3 content too.

 

[JSt0rm]

and controlD I would like to thank you for following this along without being dumb. You are a smart guy because you have an open mind.

 

[JSt0rm]

dont leave me now controlD we are so close to a breakthrough

 

[ControlD]

So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?

You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type

The aspect ratio is 4:3 which would at first blush suggest SD. However, the resolution is 1080i which isn't standard definition.

I'm pretty sure you can buy things like older TV shows on BD that are also 4:3 aspect ratio. I'm not sure you can assume anything from the aspect ratio alone. You have to look at the encoding of the source material.

 

[CZroe]

Standard definition stuff will still be PAL or NTSC from what I have read. That could be a problem.

Nope, because the BD player doesn't just change output signals to match what's on the disc. A BD player set to output 1080p will continue to output a 1080p signal, not a PAL or NTSC signal. It will scale appropriately.

Technically, it's not PAL or NTSC on an SD Blu-Ray Disc, it's 567i/p or 480i/p. PAL/NTSC are output signal types and not a video storage format. PAL requires that the source be converted to 576i but a 576i or 576p source does not force the player to output PAL. It's irrelevant anyway because the source is 1080i, which is not PAL.

 

[CZroe]

So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?

You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type

Such a child. I will continue to respond for the betterment of the forum and to increase his shame when I irrefutably prove him wrong.

 

[JSt0rm]

the answer is the material is sd material at a 4:3 resolution in pal format. Its on a bluray disk but thats what you get for buying some weird thing on amazon.

 

[JSt0rm]

now I can tell from all of czroe's new posting he is saying some more nonsense.

 

[JSt0rm]

what that bluray gave him was the dts-hd audio stream. Unfortunately its probably uprezed from the ac3 stuff.

 

[CZroe]

the answer is the material is sd material at a 4:3 resolution in pal format. Its on a bluray disk but thats what you get for buying some weird thing on amazon.

"Weird thing?"
Go to Amazon.
Search for "Interstella 5555 Blu-Ray," a perfectly normal product that was published here in the USA and sold at Best Buy and other retailers.
Click the result.
You'll find yourself on exactly what I ordered.

OH MAN! That's SOOOOooooOOOO weird!

 

[JSt0rm]

oh i should cliff note ac3 is the codec used to make the older dolby digital stream. Its about the same size as a mp3.

 

[CZroe]

the answer is the material is sd material at a 4:3 resolution in pal format. Its on a bluray disk but thats what you get for buying some weird thing on amazon.

Except that it is not. The quality of the source material varies throughout probably because they weren't expecting viewers to see it in more than 480p, but it is DEFINITELY full 1080i. It's clear that some backgrounds are fuzzy/blown up and others are high-resolution and glorious.

It's a bit like Harmy's Despecialized Editions of the original Star Wars movies where it sometimes switches to LaserDisc source material but usually has higher resolution sources to work from.

 

[JSt0rm]

stop it dummy. I cant even see what you are writing

 

[CZroe]

what that bluray gave him was the dts-hd audio stream. Unfortunately its probably uprezed from the ac3 stuff.

Nope. Definitely not reencoded from an AC3 source. Let me explain:
The movie has no dialog. The entire audio track is a studio album (Daft Punk's "Discovery") with a studio source that's even more accessible than source was for the HD master of the video. That's why the DTS-HD track was only 2.0 (album was in stereo). Also, the album is in English and performed by Frenchmen. That means that their bit about the audio being "Italian" is incorrect too. Shocked? Why? I've been telling you all along that the listing is full of errors.

oh i should cliff note ac3 is the codec used to make the older dolby digital stream. Its about the same size as a mp3.

We know what AC3 is. We are Handbrake/AnyDVD users here, remember?