Great. More shame while you inexcusably dig your hole deeper with childish ignorance.
Last edited:
Great. More shame while you inexcusably dig your hole deeper with childish ignorance.stop it dummy. I cant even see what you are writing
I believed that I was buying a new region free disc that the creators chose to make region free, which is not exactly "gray market." Yes, a proper Region A (USA/Japan) release had been made but it was out of print, expensive, and the creators would not have seen any of the money from a used sale. Amazon customers buying new don't have a choice now. That Italian "region free" release that isn't really region free is the one that comes up front and center when you search Amazon for it today.anyways. Dont buy gray market stuff. The distribution rights are split up around the world and certain markets get certain things at certain times. This is the way it works. It is frustrating and sucks sometimes (the big blue original version is not available in the states) but I really dont know how to fix it until the entire system gets reworked.
Stealing is never the answer though
stop it dummy. I cant even see what you are writing
PAL or NTSC is a signal format. The encoded video in the Blu-Ray disc is neither "PAL" nor "NTSC."this is why I was going to ignore you. Region free or not region free has nothing to do with pal or ntsc. Im not going to continue this basic shit with you. You are a box of rocks.
he has no idea. He said so much basic wrong shit hes like every other numnut who thinks they are the av specialist. I dont even give a fuck about all that shit. I learned it all because I had to when I was working as a tech at a post production studio.
I dont even know what you are trying to say here.You can't get PAL-encoded video signal off a BD. It doesn't work that way. The player can convert it to PAL-encoded SD output.
If its not ntsc (usa/japan) then what is it?Apparently, we really do know more about this sort of thing than you do. We also recognize when "PAL" is incorrectly used to mean "not USA/Japan."
This is most certainly true for theatrical 24fps content. The disc in question, Interstella 5555, was produced by an anime legend, producing it the traditional way: Hybrid of 6fps/8fps for drawings and layers, aligning with cinema's native 24fps by evenly multiplying frames until output is 24fps. Then, like all 24fps content, 3:2 pulldown is performed when 60fps output is desired.I hate to butt in here but I find this interesting and I'm not sure I am understanding correctly.
I think what you are saying is this: The source material on a BD is the same no matter what region the disk is coded for. The resulting output of NTSC or PAL is created by the device reading the disk. Is this correct? The only difference between a disk sold in region 1 and region 2 for example would be some digital tag buried on the disk for DRM purposes?
Neither CZroe nor I have ever read "Crutchfield" or any such publication. We are merely technology enthusiasts. Now that I have worked for a cable company for 12 years, I've had to explain to people numerous times how reverse-3:2 pulldown can turn 1080i/60 into 1080p/24 (when they complain that a cable box doesn't convert everything to 1080p). Of course, most people just want to see their TV to tell them the input signal is "1080p" -- even if the picture would look better without having the cable box resize it.The more you discuss with these people the more confused you will get. This is because they use words that mean different things then what they are saying. They also lack fundamental knowledge and have put assumptions in its place. Also this stuff is virtually meaningless to know about unless you fucking need to know it. So all of these people who read a crutchfield magazine and think they have some greater knowledge is fucking lol.
So if czroe sat down with a pal flagged bluray disk and tried to play it on a ntsc tv what happens?
But we arent talking about any bluray disc. We are talking about a specific bluray disk.
let me ask another question.
If you have standard definition content on a bluray disk is it ntsc or pal or what?
Standard definition stuff will still be PAL or NTSC from what I have read. That could be a problem.
So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?
You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type
The aspect ratio is 4:3 which would at first blush suggest SD. However, the resolution is 1080i which isn't standard definition.
I'm pretty sure you can buy things like older TV shows on BD that are also 4:3 aspect ratio. I'm not sure you can assume anything from the aspect ratio alone. You have to look at the encoding of the source material.
Even new films are shot in 4:3 at times. The Grand Budapest Hotel played around with aspect ratios. Almost the entire movie takes place in an older timeline and everything is displayed in 4:3...but still glorious high definition.
You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type
It works, provided that the disc is region free (most are). That's what happens. There is no "PAL flag." It doesn't just take a television signal off of the disc and amplify it for the TV, FFS. ALL BD players adapt to the resolution and frame rate supported by your TV. This isn't LaserDisc we're talking about here.So if czroe sat down with a pal flagged bluray disk and tried to play it on a ntsc tv what happens?
NO assumptions. Simple fact. It was necessitated at the launch of the format by HDTV monitors frequently having ONE supported HDTV signal. It's the same reason every HDTV tuner, cable box, and sat box had an output resolution setting.did you google that or are you assuming?
let me ask another question.
If you have standard definition content on a bluray disk is it ntsc or pal or what?
It's 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p. Video format != signal type. PAL is a signal type, not a video format. The signal type defines certain expected/ideal video formats but this is not a two-way street. The player handles the output conversion. That's what we've been trying to tell you.
So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?
You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type
Try again. It's not standard definition just because it's 4:3. It's 4:3 1080i. Look at the very first image. 4:3 is called "Academy aspect ratio" because it is used in films too. There's no such thing as "standard definition celluloid film." That's why there is a lot of 1080p 4:3 content too.
Standard definition stuff will still be PAL or NTSC from what I have read. That could be a problem.
Nope, because the BD player doesn't just change output signals to match what's on the disc. A BD player set to output 1080p will continue to output a 1080p signal, not a PAL or NTSC signal. It will scale appropriately.
Technically, it's not PAL or NTSC on an SD Blu-Ray Disc, it's 567i/p or 480i/p. PAL/NTSC are output signal types and not a video storage format. PAL requires that the source be converted to 576i but a 576i or 576p source does not force the player to output PAL. It's irrelevant anyway because the source is 1080i, which is not PAL.
So look back to retards post shows the specs of that bluray... look for the aspect ratio. What do you see?
You are ignored czroe so I dont see anything you type
Such a child. I will continue to respond for the betterment of the forum and to increase his shame when I irrefutably prove him wrong.
the answer is the material is sd material at a 4:3 resolution in pal format. Its on a bluray disk but thats what you get for buying some weird thing on amazon.
"Weird thing?"
Go to Amazon.
Search for "Interstella 5555 Blu-Ray," a perfectly normal product that was published here in the USA and sold at Best Buy and other retailers.
Click the result.
You'll find yourself on exactly what I ordered.
OH MAN! That's SOOOOooooOOOO weird!
the answer is the material is sd material at a 4:3 resolution in pal format. Its on a bluray disk but thats what you get for buying some weird thing on amazon.
Except that it is not. The quality of the source material varies throughout probably because they weren't expecting viewers to see it in more than 480p, but it is DEFINITELY full 1080i. It's clear that some backgrounds are fuzzy/blown up and others are high-resolution and glorious.
It's a bit like Harmy's Despecialized Editions of the original Star Wars movies where it sometimes switches to LaserDisc source material but usually has higher resolution sources to work from.
what that bluray gave him was the dts-hd audio stream. Unfortunately its probably uprezed from the ac3 stuff.
Nope. Definitely not reencoded from an AC3 source. Let me explain:
The movie has no dialog. The entire audio track is a studio album (Daft Punk's "Discovery") with a studio source that's even more accessible than source was for the HD master of the video. That's why the DTS-HD track was only 2.0 (album was in stereo). Also, the album is in English and performed by Frenchmen. That means that their bit about the audio being "Italian" is incorrect too. Shocked? Why? I've been telling you all along that the listing is full of errors.
We know what AC3 is. We are Handbrake/AnyDVD users here, remember?oh i should cliff note ac3 is the codec used to make the older dolby digital stream. Its about the same size as a mp3.
stop it dummy. I cant even see what you are writing
Great. More shame while you inexcusably dig your hole deeper with childish ignorance.
anyways. Dont buy gray market stuff. The distribution rights are split up around the world and certain markets get certain things at certain times. This is the way it works. It is frustrating and sucks sometimes (the big blue original version is not available in the states) but I really dont know how to fix it until the entire system gets reworked.
Stealing is never the answer though
I believed that I was buying a new region free disc that the creators chose to make region free, which is not exactly "gray market." Yes, a proper Region A (USA/Japan) release had been made but it was out of print, expensive, and the creators would not have seen any of the money from a used sale. Amazon customers buying new don't have a choice now. That Italian "region free" release that isn't really region free is the one that comes up front and center when you search Amazon for it today.
It is released in this region but out of print, so it's not a "certain things at certain times" issue. I was not circumventing intended release periods. One of my favorite musical groups, Daft Punk, had just got mainstream attention with Random Access Memories and I was anticipating new demand for an existing product making future acquisition more difficult/expensive. I was right: RAM won Album of the Year and the influx of new fans bought up all remaining stock of Daft Punk's Interstella 5555 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem.
Not sure why you are still taking about "stealing" when I went so far out of my way to make sure the creators got their dues. I already owned TWO copies of Daft Punk's Discovery album, which is basically this film without animation. Why two copies? Because one of them that I ordered years earlier turned out to be a pre-release copy for which I was not entitled to my First Sale Doctrine and Fair Use rights. Yes, I paid for it, but technically it was not legal for me to put MP3s on my phone from that disc because some previous owner never had the right to sell it.
The problem wasn't that I tried to circumvent the regional release schedule or "steal" anything. The problem was that Amazon incorrectly listed it as "region free." If they had listed it right I would have begrudgingly paid twice as much for the USA/Japan Region A version. AnyDVD SOLVED that problem and helped the movie creators make another new sale they otherwise could not have made. I can see why you want to ignore it:
It's a real-world example from long before our dispute which totally refutes your narrative about AnyDVD users being illegitimate.
Even new films are shot in 4:3 at times. The Grand Budapest Hotel played around with aspect ratios. Almost the entire movie takes place in an older timeline and everything is displayed in 4:3...but still glorious high definition.
"Played around with" is right on. :thumbup: I love the part where the person is trying to get in the ridiculous giant gate even though there's a more normal-sized door just outside the frame that the character should have seen. It's revealed to us when someone else answers. :awe:
This conversation is still going? This thread is so last week. I've pirated the entire internet.
This conversation is still going? This thread is so last week. I've pirated the entire internet.
I got rid of my 200+ widescreen SVHS tape a few years ago.
The ironing is delicious. Most of us have indeed filtered your responses out of this thread !! Its so early in the year to be a clear cut nomination for the self-ownage thread of the year, but I have to say you are on the right path.
PAL or NTSC is a signal format. The encoded video in the Blu-Ray disc is neither "PAL" nor "NTSC."
A comparable example: If I take a European SNES game and defeat the region lockout with a CIC chip bypass, does my TV say "unsupported video format?" It does not. We're talking about the same thing here. The video signal is generated by the SNES console, not the game cartridge content. Likewise, a "PAL" signal from a Blu-Ray player is generated by the player, not by the movie on the disc. Now *maybe* there's some special PAL color encoding for some variant of MPEG4 that might lend some credence to your line of thought, but that's not what we're talking about here.
We are talking about a video file that played perfectly fine on the the same hardware (PS3+TV) after the original disc failed *only* -- due ONLY to the region code flag of the original disc. The file was not re-encoded. It was simply decrypted and played back from a USB stick.
Apparently you learned how to perpetuate the conflation of region-locking with PAL video signals.
The source files can share traits with PAL and NTSC (resolution and frame rate), but the source files do not represent a PAL or NTSC signal (which would be analog). The only way for media to contain PAL/NTSC format would be to have the actual analog PAL/NTSC signal encoded on that media. Digital formats do not work that way.
Analog formats like laserdisc and magnetic tape can contain an actual PAL or NTSC signal. Blu-Ray cannot.
Even new films are shot in 4:3 at times. The Grand Budapest Hotel played around with aspect ratios. Almost the entire movie takes place in an older timeline and everything is displayed in 4:3...but still glorious high definition.