GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

[khon]

I thought he said he was not going to cut Medicare.

He also promised no cuts to Medicaid and Social security, and his language was very clear

I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/596338364187602944

Oh, and he said it during speeches as well, so this wasn't a one time thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFl0K0DxZFU

 

[agent00f]

Just to correct you, its not JUST the GOP. Remember, it was the Dems that passed, with a Dem POTUS ultimately signing into law, the ACA. America cheered while the insurance companies grinned for the windfall they would receive in the coming years. You can call this anecdotal, but I recently filled an RX for myself, only to discover a bottle of insulin...ONE BOTTLE...has increased in price 50% in the last 3 years (from $200 to $300...the same bottle you can buy in Canada for $60). Of which I use 3 per month. I asked my pharmacist whom I know well WTF? He shrugged and said the ACA now covers more people and a higher percentage of drugs, so companies charge more, because they can. My mother, who has been in healthcare for 45 years, has echoed similar things, albeit in care, not drugs. Hospitals are generally more expensive now than prior to the ACA. Exponentially so.

So no. Its not JUST the GOP. Its BOTH parties EQUALLY.

The ACA was the D centrist (ie obama) strategy, to keep shifting rightward until it resulted in a passable bill. It's the political solution we get, and arguable deserve, for harboring half a countryful of tards.

 

[trenchfoot]

Just to correct you, its not JUST the GOP. Remember, it was the Dems that passed, with a Dem POTUS ultimately signing into law, the ACA. America cheered while the insurance companies grinned for the windfall they would receive in the coming years. You can call this anecdotal, but I recently filled an RX for myself, only to discover a bottle of insulin...ONE BOTTLE...has increased in price 50% in the last 3 years (from $200 to $300...the same bottle you can buy in Canada for $60). Of which I use 3 per month. I asked my pharmacist whom I know well WTF? He shrugged and said the ACA now covers more people and a higher percentage of drugs, so companies charge more, because they can. My mother, who has been in healthcare for 45 years, has echoed similar things, albeit in care, not drugs. Hospitals are generally more expensive now than prior to the ACA. Exponentially so.

So no. Its not JUST the GOP. Its BOTH parties EQUALLY.

Sorry to say that I disagree with the bolded. If the Repubs had cooperated with the Dems when the ACA was in its nascent form, the Act could have been much more viable and more widely accepted than it came to be. That the Repubs chose to wholly obstruct the idea of providing affordable health care for all as they have for the past decades from the time this form of "socialized medicine" was known as Universal Health Care, I can therefore safely assume that the burden of why the ACA was passed in such weak form was wholly due to the Repubs ideologically induced resistance to the principle of providing gov't assisted health care for all its citizens.

edited for syntax

 

[theeedude]

That's what the trashy right wants you to believe, that both parties are equally bad. But millions of people are about to discover that they are wrong, and thousands dead wrong.

 

[khon]

Healthcare policy is determined by how you answer the following question: What would you do for people who cannot afford the healthcare they need ?

Option 1 (democrats): Force other people to pay for their healthcare

Option 2 (republicans): Do nothing and let them die without the healthcare

Politicians try to dress is up in pretty rhetoric , but those are the only two options in the end, and you have to pick one. You can try to lower costs to reduce the amount of people affected, but there will always be some, so you have to pick.

 

[VRAMdemon]

In a matter of days we went from "Who knew health insurance was so complicated" to "We've solved all the problems with the ACA." I'm sure the Republicans' plan is well thought-out since they have had 7 years to study the market here. It all came together over the weekend, I assume. Buh-lieve me! It seems that Trumpcare is supposed to be a failure - that way the Republican leadership can shrug, and say, "Well, we tried, but government has no place here".

 

[fskimospy]

Just to correct you, its not JUST the GOP. Remember, it was the Dems that passed, with a Dem POTUS ultimately signing into law, the ACA. America cheered while the insurance companies grinned for the windfall they would receive in the coming years. You can call this anecdotal, but I recently filled an RX for myself, only to discover a bottle of insulin...ONE BOTTLE...has increased in price 50% in the last 3 years (from $200 to $300...the same bottle you can buy in Canada for $60). Of which I use 3 per month. I asked my pharmacist whom I know well WTF? He shrugged and said the ACA now covers more people and a higher percentage of drugs, so companies charge more, because they can. My mother, who has been in healthcare for 45 years, has echoed similar things, albeit in care, not drugs. Hospitals are generally more expensive now than prior to the ACA. Exponentially so.

So no. Its not JUST the GOP. Its BOTH parties EQUALLY.

So if both drugs and other care has increased exponentially in price why has health care inflation been so low in recent years? This doesn't make any sense.

In addition, why would more people being insured lead to drug and health care companies charging more? That also doesn't make sense. If anything, insurance companies have more customers which would INCREASE their bargaining power, not the other way around. Can you explain the economic theory of action that you think makes this work the way you claimed?

While the ACA is far from perfect and the fact that Medicare doesn't use its power to push down drug prices is insane, it is definitely NOT both parties equally. It is primarily the GOP.

 

[ch33zw1z]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/health/risk-of-losing-health-insurance-in-republican-plan.html


These people really are dumber than a bag of rocks.

I find this situation very difficult.

On one hand, I feel like I should point and laugh.

On the other hand, I am empathetic to people who are screwed by health care in our country.

In the end, empathy always wins for me.

Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do but watch now. And people losing care and dying hopefully wakes up enough voters to make a difference

 

[pcgeek11]

He also promised no cuts to Medicaid and Social security, and his language was very clear



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/596338364187602944

Oh, and he said it during speeches as well, so this wasn't a one time thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFl0K0DxZFU

Well I see. Thanks for the links.

 

[pcgeek11]

I still say both parties are working on the wrong end of the problem. The issue isn't the insurance that would take care of itself if they could get a grip on the cost of health care.


http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/0...lies-like-aspirin-and-q-tips-as-much-as-1000/

How Hospitals Mark Up the Cost of Over-the-Counter Supplies Like Aspirin and Q-tips as Much as 1000%

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't disagree. But hospitals do it for a reason.

People with insurance fund those without, one way or another.

 

[pcgeek11]

In my opinion there is no good reason to mark up anything 1000%. None. The only reason I see are both the drug company and the hospital know they have you over a barrel and there is nothing you can do about it.

Drugs and hospital charges should be regulated and controlled.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm down with that, as soon as a single payer system is in place.

 

[pcgeek11]

Actually I would be down with that if they control the crazy hospitals and drug companies.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Here Here, and cause constituents can come together on, there's hope!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Does anyone on these forums like the proposed bill?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Does anyone on these forums like the proposed bill?

Is this a rhetorical question?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Is this a rhetorical question?

No, I'm serious. This plan seems to have zero enthusiasm just wondering if this is one of those odd moments in time.

 

[fskimospy]

Does anyone on these forums like the proposed bill?

Haha I saw this earlier which about sums it up:

I'm sure someone is partisan enough to claim to like this bill but any rational person can see that it's a complete piece of shit that was hastily written by people who took no time to understand health care and consulted no experts in the field. This is why the ACA took so long to write the first time, they spent a ton of time gathering information and consulting experts.

By the way does anyone else find it as ironic as I do that Republicans constantly railed against the ACA being 'rushed through' and being written 'behind closed doors' despite neither being true and then when given power are now trying to rush through a bill they had hidden in the basement?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, I'm serious. This plan seems to have zero enthusiasm just wondering if this is one of those odd moments in time.

Republicans are too divided and will never get the votes they need without Democratic help imo. Democrats have an excellent opportunity to leverage here...but I doubt they'll take advantage of it as they seem to be more hellbent on obstruction than anything else. But this plan is a good starting place for negotiations. However, if this effort fails, I would wash my hands and keep ACA in place as it was unilaterally enacted by Democrats...watching it burn until the left eventually comes to their senses.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Republicans are too divided and will never get the votes they need without Democratic help imo. Democrats have an excellent opportunity to leverage here...but I doubt they'll take advantage of it as they seem to be more hellbent on obstruction than anything else. But this plan is a good starting place for negotiations. However, if this effort fails, I would wash my hands and keep ACA in place as it was unilaterally enacted by Democrats...watching it burn until the left eventually comes to their senses.

Do you like this bill Doc? Specially as a whole.
These are opinions everyone is entitled to have one.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do you like this bill Doc? Specially as a whole.
These are opinions everyone is entitled to have one.

I haven't really looked into it much. But at first blush I'd personally like to see better tax credits for the poor as well as medicaid block grants. This is one area where I'm not as concerned about costs as much anymore...I just want to see a solution that's highly effective. I'm a single-payer fan btw.

 

[fskimospy]

Republicans are too divided and will never get the votes they need without Democratic help imo. Democrats have an excellent opportunity to leverage here...but I doubt they'll take advantage of it as they seem to be more hellbent on obstruction than anything else. But this plan is a good starting place for negotiations. However, if this effort fails, I would wash my hands and keep ACA in place as it was unilaterally enacted by Democrats...watching it burn until the left eventually comes to their senses.

Hey guys, if the Democrats are hellbent on obstruction then the Republicans should refuse to compromise because the Democrats passed this bill originally without Republican votes...because the Republicans were hellbent on obstruction. It's not like this problem wasn't 100% foreseeable. We tried to warn conservatives that being relentlessly hellbent on obstruction for the last eight years would have consequences but you didn't listen. You reap what you sow.

Also, any plan that tries to eliminate the individual mandate but keep guaranteed issue and community rating is not a good place to start negotiations. It shows that one side doesn't even understand the issue it's negotiating on. They need to learn what they are talking about first.

If you think that the left is ever going to sign on to a bill that takes insurance away from tens of millions of people you've lost your mind. If you think it's a good electoral strategy to hope that a law fails while your party is in power and has explicitly chosen to do nothing about it and in fact has tried to sabotage it at every turn...well...good luck with that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I haven't really looked into it much. But at first blush I'd personally like to see better tax credits for the poor as well as medicaid block grants. This is one area where I'm not as concerned about costs any more...I just want to see a solution that's highly effective. I'm a single-payer fan btw.

I had no idea you're a single payer guy. I'd never would guessed that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I had no idea you're a single payer guy. I'd never would guessed that.

No problem...people stereotype me all the time here. A little background...I grew up extremely poor and personally believe that healthcare is a fundamental human right...especially in a country as rich as ours. Hell, we can spend trillions on wars and nobody blinks an eye...yet when it comes to taking reasonable care of our people's healthcare needs they scream bloody murder. I conceptually get what Republicans are trying to do...I just want them to do it a lot better. Democrats have incredible leverage right now...and I hope they take full advantage of it.