GOP ACA Replacement Imminent....Predictions

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sactoking

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I don't know that Rand Paul doesn't actually believe that it's not enough of a repeal.

Dems: "This bill goes too far!"

Rand: "This bill doesn't go too far enough!"
 

fskimospy

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Well since it's Rand Paul I'm hardly surprised. Part of me is wondering however now if they are short a lot more votes than they've been letting on.

It was rumored for the last one that somewhere around eight senators wanted to vote no but since McCain did they didn't have to. I have no idea if that's true or not, but if it is then I can't imagine they feel substantially different about this bill.
 

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It's interesting to see Rand Paul doing the 'shameless lying' thing, only the other way around. He doesn't want to vote for this bill because it would crater health care in his state but instead of arguing that way he's trying to say it doesn't go far enough. lol.

I've lived in Kentucky for 3.5 years now. I have no fucking clue what the appeal of this man is. Of course this is the same state that keeps voting McConnell back in term after term for doing absolutely nothing for them. But I digress. Paul all but disappears for most of the year and pops up with these oddball cryptic statements.
 

K1052

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It was rumored for the last one that somewhere around eight senators wanted to vote no but since McCain did they didn't have to. I have no idea if that's true or not, but if it is then I can't imagine they feel substantially different about this bill.

And that was just for the "skinny repeal" which while not popular was seen as the last way to move forward with anything. The BCRA vote counts were expected to be in the mid 40s...

The Senate parlimentarian has also yet to weigh in on G-C. The waiver provisions of previous bills have run into problems with the Byrd Rule. I don't know how any of the conservatives vote for something that doesn't include waivers (or the promise of adding them later).
 

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I don't know that Rand Paul doesn't actually believe that it's not enough of a repeal.

Dems: "This bill goes too far!"

Rand: "This bill doesn't go too far enough!"

That's the Teahadist in him. Crazy thing is that he's a physician. One would think that in a state that was a poster child for medicaid expansion as a doctor he would would welcome the reimbursement.
 

K1052

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I don't know that Rand Paul doesn't actually believe that it's not enough of a repeal.

Dems: "This bill goes too far!"

Rand: "This bill doesn't go too far enough!"

What Rand Paul does or does not believe based upon his record would be a confusing debate heh.
 

obidamnkenobi

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The Republican elites will never suffer from these policies, so I'm not sure what your point is there. I'm talking about the average idiots that are owning themselves on Facebook and Twitter.

If Republicanism is the disease, Democrats are the immune system that's too weak to fight it off. We need to ask what's wrong with our immune system.

The problem with this is that our healthcare system today under the ACA already kills tons of people, what makes you think that killing more will help? When people are crushed by society, whether it's health care or falling though some other part of the tattered social net, they don't smack their foreheads and start voting for Democrats. They become dislocated from politics and don't vote at all. Look at the 2016 election. The story wasn't how many votes Trump got, it's how FEW votes Clinton got. It's insane to hope for this bill because you think it will hasten some social shift to liberalism, it absolutely won't.

Problem is Trump/GOP voters are totally ok with suffering, as long as the undeserving poor (i.e. all of them) and minorities suffer more. Making sure others don't get help has a higher value than helping yourself.
 

TheVrolok

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That's the Teahadist in him. Crazy thing is that he's a physician. One would think that in a state that was a poster child for medicaid expansion as a doctor he would would welcome the reimbursement.
Meh. He's an ophthalmologist (not a knock to them in general..). Who knows if he would even take medicaid, many don't.
 

zinfamous

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Would that be constitutional? When California passed stricter emission standards it was held that their stricter then federal standards was legal. I don't see how the federal government could bar states from creating their own health care system.

it's one of those times when "State's rights" don't matter, see?
 

VRAMdemon

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hal2kilo

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That's the Teahadist in him. Crazy thing is that he's a physician. One would think that in a state that was a poster child for medicaid expansion as a doctor he would would welcome the reimbursement.
It's called ideology over reality.
 

VRAMdemon

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It remains to be seen if Murkowski will be swayed by this approach. She openly rebuffed a previous payoff attempt on the basis that it was bad for the country and would, eventually, be bad for Alaska too.

She owes the GOP leadership nothing, isn't up until 2022, received considerable local acclaim for rejecting the last proposal, the bill still has stuff she doesn't like (defunding PP), and to give in now would require a near total reversal of her stated positions. I don't think it's impossible she would flip it just doesn't look super likely.

I'm getting this bad feeling this version will pass. As for Murkowski:

Option #1) She votes for the bill, gets in good with McConnell and the POTUS, gets to tell her constituents just how hard she is fighting for them, gets plum committee assignments and more pork to make her constituents even happier and reestablishes her Republican bona fides without having to actually change anything in her state

Option #2) She votes against the bill, continues to piss off her party, gets blamed by the party for any rising health care costs in her state, and gets primaried at election time (and didn't she actually get primaried the last time and have to run as a write-in candidate?) and gets basically the exact same deal for her state.

Gee, I wonder which option she'll take. We'll see...

EDIT: I'm not sure how worried she is about a primary, though. She's not up again until 2022, and she's now won two terms in a row while having a lot of (maybe even most) Republicans vote for someone else. (2010 was her write-in campaign. In 2016, she was the Republican nominee, but the guy who beat her in the 2010 primary ran as a Libertarian and got 29% of the vote.)

She's probably safe..Again , we'll see, hopefully she has some integrity stemming from the comments she made in June.
 
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K1052

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I'm getting this bad feeling this version will pass. As for Murkowski:

Option #1) She votes for the bill, gets in good with McConnell and the POTUS, gets to tell her constituents just how hard she is fighting for them, gets plum committee assignments and more pork to make her constituents even happier and reestablishes her Republican bona fides without having to actually change anything in her state

Option #2) She votes against the bill, continues to piss off her party, gets blamed by the party for any rising health care costs in her state, and gets primaried at election time (and didn't she actually get primaried the last time and have to run as a write-in candidate?) and gets basically the exact same deal for her state.

Gee, I wonder which option she'll take. We'll see...

Given her record in elections I sincerely doubt she's worried about a primary challenge that won't come until 2022. I mean she won in 2010 as a write in candidate, one of only two senators in history (IIRC) who accomplished that. She owes nothing to the GOP.

On the last go around Trump had Zinkie try to intimidate/blackmail her into changing her vote. It backfired bigly.
 

K1052

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OMG Pence is teaming up with LePage in a bid to pressure Collins. You know the nutzo governor that she could quite likely end up running to oust from office.

Politics. How does it work?
 
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Puffnstuff

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brycejones

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OMG Pence is teaming up with LePage in a bid to pressure Collins. You know the nutzo governor that she could quite likely end up running to oust from office.

Politics. How does it work?

LePage is just another guy who says what is on his mind. The only logical explanation for the crap that comes out of his mouth and Trump's at this point is they must have undiagnosed cases of advanced syphilis.
 

K1052

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Good for him. He's on borrowed time at this point and has zero need to preserve political capital. He's not up for reelection. Go out a hero and not a villain.

Might as well be the Senator from the great state of I Give No Fucks, I Want "Regular Order" You Assholes
 
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lopri

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If McCain becomes another crucial vote to defeat this bill I will forgive all of his sins. He will be my forever hero.
 
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