Question GPU pricing should clearly be higher across the board, but by how much?

[moonbogg]

The 6600XT is sold out everywhere with pricing between $4-600 roughly. That card would normally cost roughly $2-250. I think gamers are buying these. They aren't getting all snapped up by miners. Also, gamers have shown a willingness to pay $2000 for a 3080Ti on ebay. I think it's clear that if Nvidia and AMD simply increased prices across the board by 2-4X, they'd still sell every card instantly.
What price range do you think people would buy cards at? I propose the following for honestly being perfectly reasonable and acceptable (meaning, people will pay it). If a product instantly sells out, that means people spend no time deliberating. It's a no-brainer purchase which means there is a lot of room left to increase prices until sales start to flatten out a little and normalize. If something sells out instantly you can charge more easily.

I think the following prices moving forward, pandemic or not, would still see every model sell out instantly.

Low-end (X50 class) - $400 (faster than integrated solutions, so should cost more than a high end APU)
X60 - $800 (not a stretch considering 6600XT sold out at $600)
X70 - $1500
X80 - $2000
X80Ti - $2500
Titan - $3000-$5000

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I've got a huge pile of free indie games off the Epic Store, which don't need a high end GPU. I've got enough gaming to keep me busy for years at this point.

Same here. I think I got enough backlog to last a couple years at the very least.

Gotten plenty on GOG/Steam sales over the years.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Funny how the world works.
Gaming used to be a high end high cost thing to do, particularly PC gaming.
Then the internet made home PCs normal and cheap, then video cards became super powerful and mostly affordable to very affordable.
Pandemic and mining has brought us back to the beginning. Gaming is an expensive hobby, PC game even more.

 

[aigomorla]

more price hikes from TSMC.

World’s Largest Chip Maker to Raise Prices, Threatening Costlier Electronics

The world’s largest contract chip maker is raising prices by as much as 20%, a move that could result in consumers paying more for electronics.

www.wsj.com

 

[blckgrffn]

Let's face it, they could likely charge a lot for all contract renewals and while it might burn some bridges long term, where else are you going to get leading edge processes?

Not to mention it would cost a lot to get out of some of their legacy nodes as well.

The question maybe should be when are they going to raise prices again and by how much?

 

[gdansk]

I have some pricing information from a secret Lisa-Jensen-Raja cartel meeting. They agree on the following pricing goals:
$2000 high end
$1500 midrange
$1000 low end (for peasants)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have some pricing information from a secret Lisa-Jensen-Raja cartel meeting. They agree on the following pricing goals:
$2000 high end
$1500 midrange
$1000 low end (for peasants)

High end is far too cheap.

 

[aigomorla]

High end is far too cheap.

thats probably not accounting the 25% or so added inflation estimates.

 

[blckgrffn]

thats probably not accounting the 25% or so added inflation estimates.

LOL. Those are the MSRPS!!! Jokes on us!

Street price 1.5x to 2.5x!

 

[Mopetar]

At this rate the idiots that spend hundreds of dollars on crappy ftp (ptw) mobile games will have a cheaper gaming habit than PC gamers.

 

[krumme]

The 6600XT is sold out everywhere with pricing between $4-600 roughly. That card would normally cost roughly $2-250. I think gamers are buying these. They aren't getting all snapped up by miners. Also, gamers have shown a willingness to pay $2000 for a 3080Ti on ebay. I think it's clear that if Nvidia and AMD simply increased prices across the board by 2-4X, they'd still sell every card instantly.
What price range do you think people would buy cards at? I propose the following for honestly being perfectly reasonable and acceptable (meaning, people will pay it). If a product instantly sells out, that means people spend no time deliberating. It's a no-brainer purchase which means there is a lot of room left to increase prices until sales start to flatten out a little and normalize. If something sells out instantly you can charge more easily.

I think the following prices moving forward, pandemic or not, would still see every model sell out instantly.

Low-end (X50 class) - $400 (faster than integrated solutions, so should cost more than a high end APU)
X60 - $800 (not a stretch considering 6600XT sold out at $600)
X70 - $1500
X80 - $2000
X80Ti - $2500
Titan - $3000-$5000

The last time i bought a 128 bit card was for one of the kids, an ATI 4670. 13 years ago. It was 80 bucks or so. Granted the diesize was 150mm2 or so.
Now you say that type of card is supposed to cost 2-250usd.
I think thats a bit steep for such a low cost solution. Should be around 150 because of a bit inflation and larger die.

 

[DeathReborn]

I have some pricing information from a secret Lisa-Jensen-Raja cartel meeting. They agree on the following pricing goals:
$2000 high end
$1500 midrange
$1000 low end (for peasants)

The Titan Z laughs at your high end, launch MSRP of $2,999.

 

[aigomorla]

The Titan Z laughs at your high end, launch MSRP of $2,999.

i think the street price on my 3090 FTW3 is more then the titan Z.... >.<

 

[gdansk]

The Titan Z laughs at your high end, launch MSRP of $2,999.

Multiple GPU chips will be $2000 * n where n is the number of GPUs. Welcome the future of PC GAMING. If you cannot afford it, you're basically a phone gamer.

 

[Mopetar]

The last time i bought a 128 bit card was for one of the kids, an ATI 4670. 13 years ago. It was 80 bucks or so. Granted the diesize was 150mm2 or so.
Now you say that type of card is supposed to cost 2-250usd.
I think thats a bit steep for such a low cost solution. Should be around 150 because of a bit inflation and larger die.

They're really not the same. The 4670 is a lot smaller. The 6600XT which is now the small die is about the same size as the 4870 die, which was the big die when it launched back in 2008. You could get some RV770 cards with disabled hardware for less, but the 4870 cost $300 at launch.

Anyone who really cared about performance needed two of them to run in crossfire if you wanted good FPS or to game at higher resolutions. Even with two cards you couldn't always reliably hit 60 FPS at the highest resolutions. Even the 6600XT will get 60 FPS at 4K in a lot of games.

The market has changed considerably and the minimal performance standard has risen a lot in the past decade.

 

[krumme]

They're really not the same. The 4670 is a lot smaller. The 6600XT which is now the small die is about the same size as the 4870 die, which was the big die when it launched back in 2008. You could get some RV770 cards with disabled hardware for less, but the 4870 cost $300 at launch.

Anyone who really cared about performance needed two of them to run in crossfire if you wanted good FPS or to game at higher resolutions. Even with two cards you couldn't always reliably hit 60 FPS at the highest resolutions. Even the 6600XT will get 60 FPS at 4K in a lot of games.

The market has changed considerably and the minimal performance standard has risen a lot in the past decade.

Yes but its still dirt cheap 128bit bus and mem. 13 years later.
Btw The 4870 had 1GB Gddr5 ram. 13 years ago. Advanced stuff.
Its not like the 6600xt have some fancy ram like say Vega 56, 4 years ago. I bought a Vega 56 for the same price as the 6600xt commands. Heck in power saving bios mode for vega 56 those cards is not that different. Except the 4 years.

 

[blckgrffn]

Yes but its still dirt cheap 128bit bus and mem. 13 years later.
Btw The 4870 had 1GB Gddr5 ram. 13 years ago. Advanced stuff.
Its not like the 6600xt have some fancy ram like say Vega 56, 4 years ago. I bought a Vega 56 for the same price as the 6600xt commands. Heck in power saving bios mode for vega 56 those cards is not that different. Except the 4 years.

Your Vega 56 is probably worth more now than it was then

The specs are whatever they are, but with the Infinity Cache it punches above its weight and that's great. Actual performance should matter more than the spreadsheet numbers, right?

It also uses what, 1/3rd the power of your Vega? I mean, that's something

 

[moonbogg]

The last time i bought a 128 bit card was for one of the kids, an ATI 4670. 13 years ago. It was 80 bucks or so. Granted the diesize was 150mm2 or so.
Now you say that type of card is supposed to cost 2-250usd.
I think thats a bit steep for such a low cost solution. Should be around 150 because of a bit inflation and larger die.

Actually I think that type of card should cost $400+. If people want to pay less, they have APUs. $400 should be the minimum entry fee for a discrete GPU. Faster than an APU so should cost more than an APU. Anything beyond that and the price justifiably explodes with the force of GOD. Remember, you aren't buying GPUs anymore. You're buying actual electronic money trees. Nvidia is in the money tree business now.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Remember, you aren't buying GPUs anymore. You're buying actual electronic money trees. Nvidia is in the money tree business now.

Godspeed your mining, sir!

 

[krumme]

Actually I think that type of card should cost $400+. If people want to pay less, they have APUs. $400 should be the minimum entry fee for a discrete GPU. Faster than an APU so should cost more than an APU. Anything beyond that and the price justifiably explodes with the force of GOD. Remember, you aren't buying GPUs anymore. You're buying actual electronic money trees. Nvidia is in the money tree business now.

Yeaa you right. I will sell the vega 56 in the kids machine (she dont know she is potentially a millionaire) and dump a rx 5600in, i use elsewhere. And get a new card for my self ofcource. Those modern kids dont appriciate new hardware like us oldies.
I play only ow in 1080, low settings all over, and aim for 280fps minimum fps. I have a rx 5600 now, but who knows what comes after tf2 and ow, what should i have then? A 6700 or is this 6600XT an upgrade or downgrade to the rx 5600?

 

[Mopetar]

Yes but its still dirt cheap 128bit bus and mem. 13 years later.
Btw The 4870 had 1GB Gddr5 ram. 13 years ago. Advanced stuff.
Its not like the 6600xt have some fancy ram like say Vega 56, 4 years ago. I bought a Vega 56 for the same price as the 6600xt commands. Heck in power saving bios mode for vega 56 those cards is not that different. Except the 4 years.

You can't just look at a few things in a vacuum or you wind up reaching bad conclusions. The RDNA 2 GPUs are designed to have smaller busses because Infinity Cache provides effective bandwidth that means a large bus isn't necessary.

You're also acting as though the amount of memory a high-end card had should reflect on what a low-end card would have. The high-end cards of this era have 16GB or more. Maybe having 16GB on a 6600XT would be nice, but it would be largely pointless and AMD would have only tacked that cost on to the price tag.

Finally, when you bought that Vega card four years ago we weren't in the middle of a mining boom and a global pandemic at the same time. Making comparisons now is pointless. Even comparing against the $380 MSRP is meaningless because you can't buy a card for that price. Right now they're closer to $600, which is more than a Vega 64.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I play only ow in 1080, low settings all over, and aim for 280fps minimum fps. I have a rx 5600 now, but who knows what comes after tf2 and ow, what should i have then? A 6700 or is this 6600XT an upgrade or downgrade to the rx 5600?

It's a bit of an upgrade, and uses slightly less power.

Don't let the 128bit memory bus fool you. This card punches well above it's weight.

 

[moonbogg]

It's a bit of an upgrade, and uses slightly less power.

Don't let the 128bit memory bus fool you. This card punches well above it's weight.

Yep and AMD is straight stupid for screwing themselves with a $400 msrp. This card should be at least $800.

 

[HomerJS]

This one I don't get...

3080 Strix 1099
3080Ti Strix 1999

WTF?? I wanted the extra memory because going to flight sim but can't justify $900 for 20% more memory and perhaps 10% better performance. Sucks because I really wanted Strix because they have best power delivery.

It's almost like they are trying to goad you into a Strix 3090 which is 2229. Mother effers

 

[blckgrffn]

This one I don't get...

3080 Strix 1099
3080Ti Strix 1999

WTF?? I wanted the extra memory because going to flight sim but can't justify $900 for 20% more memory and perhaps 10% better performance. Sucks because I really wanted Strix because they have best power delivery.

It's almost like they are trying to goad you into a Strix 3090 which is 2299. Mother effers

Oh yeah. Just a baby step to the 3090!

If you are in for $2k of awesome, might as well go all the way.

It seems like the 3090 will hold its value longer as well.

Look at it this way - it's just one more GTX 1050Ti to go from a 3080Ti to a 3090. It's practically a bargain

If you can get a 3080 at $1100 easily I honestly would do that if I were you but 🤷‍♂️ I also helped my best buddy configure a prebuilt to get a $2k 3090 in May or so. If we are going nuts, why half step it?

 

[HomerJS]

Oh yeah. Just a baby step to the 3090!

If you are in for $2k of awesome, might as well go all the way.

It seems like the 3090 will hold its value longer as well.

Look at it this way - it's just one more GTX 1050Ti to go from a 3080Ti to a 3090. It's practically a bargain

If you can get a 3080 at $1100 easily I honestly would do that if I were you but 🤷‍♂️ I also helped my best buddy configure a prebuilt to get a $2k 3090 in May or so. If we are going nuts, why half step it?

Yeah I know. It might make more sense at the next in store BB from to get a 3090 FE and water block it. Those are only 1499