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[Numenorean]

Playing dumb?

- An instruction telling ME what to do. Not warning me that it will do this on its own.



It reminds me that I need to restart. I'm perfectly fine with this reminder popping-up repeatedly...as long as it doesn't restart while I'm working (which has happened).

The dialog has two options. RESTART NOW or POSTPONE

You can do one OR the other, not a non-existent option.

This clearly indicates that you must either RESTART or POSTPONE the restart. Those are your only two options in the dialog. If you postpone, you can infer that the restart will happen after the postpone time that you set in the drop down.

How can you look at that dialog and think "Oh...nah it will never restart. Cool. I'll just load up a bunch of work and let it sit unsaved. Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Awesome."

 

[Ichinisan]

lolz


Here's a good link for you OP: http://www.comptia.org/home.aspx

Had CompTIA A+ cert back in '98

[edit]
NOT IMPLYING THAT I'M AN IT PRO, ATOT! (just to be clear)

 

[Ichinisan]

The dialog has two options. RESTART NOW or POSTPONE

You can do one OR the other, not a non-existent option.

This clearly indicates that you must either RESTART or POSTPONE the restart. Those are your only two options in the dialog. If you postpone, you can infer that the restart will happen after the postpone time that you set in the drop down.

How can you look at that dialog and think "Oh...nah it will never restart. Cool. I'll just load up a bunch of work and let it sit unsaved. Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Awesome."

The wording was done that way BEFORE THERE WERE FORCED RESTARTS.

There's no other appropriate caption for the button than "Postpone." Any other caption might make users think they were granting permission to restart now.

It could say "Dismiss" ...but people might equate that with "Cancel."

 

[Ichinisan]

If you postpone, you can infer that the restart will happen after the postpone time that you set in the drop down.

The drop-down says "Remind me in...". It was worded this way even before there were forced restarts. It's a very well-designed dialog and I have no problem with it except that it pops-up while typing.

 

[Raduque]

Look, I didn't read four pages of bitching and fighting, but on my Windows 7 laptop, there has been that "Please restart Windows to continue installing updates" window on the screen for like 6 weeks. The one with the "restart now" or "postpone" buttons and the drop-down to select a time frame to postpone for.

Windows will not auto-reboot after installing updates unless YOU let it.

My Vista Ultimate x64 desktop is exactly the same as the laptop, btw.

Edit: forgot to mention, I hadn't touched anything on that window for those 6 weeks, either.

 

[Ichinisan]

Look, I didn't read four pages of bitching and fighting, but on my Windows 7 laptop, there has been that "Please restart Windows to continue installing updates" window on the screen for like 6 weeks. The one with the "restart now" or "postpone" buttons and the drop-down to select a time frame to postpone for.

Windows will not auto-reboot after installing updates unless YOU let it.

My Vista Ultimate x64 desktop is exactly the same as the laptop, btw.

Edit: forgot to mention, I hadn't touched anything on that window for those 6 weeks, either.

False.

 

[Numenorean]

False.

False.

 

[CZroe]

Uhh...it wasn't relatively recent at all. You also knew that this was the behavior, whether you agree with it or not, but you still had it configured to act this way.

Most users will find this out when they are sitting there working on stuff and the thing comes up and says hey your computer is going to restart unless you postpone, etc. There is some warning - yes it is after the fact but there is a warning. After this initial time, you're aware of it and can then correct the settings so that it doesn't do this if you wish.

Your main problem occurred because you did not save your work and you left your computer for an extended period of time. Anyone who does not save their work and then bitches about losing it is a moron.

It all depends on what you say it's relative to. Windows Update was introduced in 1998.

The change was introduced to most users when XP SP3 hit Windows Update and brought it in line with Windows Vista in Summer of 2008, so it's been a couple of years.

Do you not know what "relative" means?

And, FYI, forcing a restart has only been around since Vista and XP SP3. "Seven years" my ass.

 

[CZroe]

Uhhh...what? It says right there in the dialog that it needs to restart your system, to save your work, and allows you to either click "restart" or "postpone".

Did your MEDICAL CONDITION make it impossible for you to read?


Oh and not 3 years...I think it's more like 7. Well unless you've been behind the times running Windows 2000 or something.

"needs to" != "will do it if you don't respond"

"Postpone" does not specifically say WHAT you are postponing (the nag or the impending restart that you *forgot* to specify)

Something like that NEEDS to be explicitly stated. Take a God-damned technical writing class. If you don't see what's wrong with it, then I hope for your users' sake that no one ever puts you in charge of user interaction.

 

[Numenorean]

"needs to" != "will do it if you don't respond"

"Postpone" does not specifically say WHAT you are postponing (the nag or the impending restart that you *forgot* to specify)

Something like that NEEDS to be explicitly stated. Take a God-damned technical writing class. If you don't see what's wrong with it, then I hope for your users' sake that no one ever puts you in charge of user interaction.

I never said it was well written. I said that it was pretty obvious what happens based on your two options. You either postpone or you restart. Postpone doesn't mean do not restart, it simply means delaying restarting.

 

[Raduque]

False.

Tell that to my laptop which installed updates and then - surprise! - hasn't been rebooted in over 6 weeks!

You = fail.

 

[Ichinisan]

... on my Windows 7 laptop, there has been that "Please restart Windows to continue installing updates" window on the screen for like 6 weeks. The one with the "restart now" or "postpone" buttons and the drop-down to select a time frame to postpone for.

Windows will not auto-reboot after installing updates unless YOU let it.

My Vista Ultimate x64 desktop is exactly the same as the laptop, btw.

Edit: forgot to mention, I hadn't touched anything on that window for those 6 weeks, either.

False.

False.

:hmm:

 

[Ichinisan]

Tell that to my laptop which installed updates and then - surprise! - hasn't been rebooted in over 6 weeks!

You = fail.

You're insisting that it will not reboot automatically? You'll find out when it does.

It's a fact.

People keep implying that I didn't know of this behavior (I did know about it, and I don't like it). You actually STILL don't know this.

It's not your fault. Nowhere in the standard configuration does Windows say it will occasionally force restart. Some say the wording implies that it will restart automatically...but it's the same wording from before this behavior started.

 

[CZroe]

Look, I didn't read four pages of bitching and fighting, but on my Windows 7 laptop, there has been that "Please restart Windows to continue installing updates" window on the screen for like 6 weeks. The one with the "restart now" or "postpone" buttons and the drop-down to select a time frame to postpone for.

Windows will not auto-reboot after installing updates unless YOU let it.

My Vista Ultimate x64 desktop is exactly the same as the laptop, btw.

Edit: forgot to mention, I hadn't touched anything on that window for those 6 weeks, either.

I guess you just ignored the first-hand accounts of it doing exactly what you said it doesn't do? I've been sitting there *USING* a computer that wasn't mine and had it start closing down everything I was using without even giving me the chance to save or an early warning because it hit "that time of night."

Either you changed your settings or your PC or it was always asleep or hibernated during that time of night.

 

[alevasseur14]

It did PLENTY of good.

A) It automatically downloaded it.
B) It completely installed updates that don't require a restart.
C) It started the installation without needing you to notice and only then begin downloading, installing, etc (less vulnerable time than setting it to manual-only)
D) It is much better than "not patching" because you can't completely opt-out and it WILL happen on the next restart no matter what.

"Christ" indeed.

Oh, and stop putting two spaces after a period. It is just wrong. Trust me. Yes, people do it. Yes, some people were TAUGHT to do it. Yes, some people still TEACH other people to do it, but it absolutely is wrong unless you are typing with a mono-spaced font such as an old typewriter. Period.



Are you seriously saying that? It is the default behavior. To say that it doesn't affect a LARGE percentage of users is profoundly ignorant.

Ok, you've officially gone off the deep end. Good work. Updates that require a restart are generally critical. Updates that don't require a restart are generally not critical. Following this line of reasoning, you accomplish installing updates that probably aren't critical to the security of the machine while not restarting and negating those patches you installed. Super.

Thank you for pointing out that double spaces after sentences is wrong. Supposedly. Trust me, it's difficult for me to care less what you think at this point.

Finally, yes I did say that 99% of Windows users aren't affected by this supposed flaw. I know it's the default behavior and 99% users don't give a shit. That's my point.

In short, fuck off.

 

[Numenorean]

lol. Two spaces after a period is not wrong. Who thought that shit up? You can put either one or two. Two makes things easier to read most of the time.

 

[alevasseur14]

lol. Two spaces after a period is not wrong. Who thought that shit up? You can put either one or two. Two makes things easier to read most of the time.

No joke. This is the first time I've heard of my supposed misdeeds!

 

[CZroe]

lol. Two spaces after a period is not wrong. Who thought that shit up? You can put either one or two. Two makes things easier to read most of the time.

No joke. This is the first time I've heard of my supposed misdeeds!

http://www.slate.com/id/2281146/

If you don't know WHY you are doing something: Either research or DON'T DO IT. Sheeptards.

 

[alkemyst]

Had CompTIA A+ cert back in '98

[edit]
NOT IMPLYING THAT I'M AN IT PRO, ATOT! (just to be clear)

I'd recertify then if you are going to start cursing an OS.

I do a ton of work mostly fixing botched jobs by other 'experts'.

Sadly people feel in today's age being able to install an OS/software makes them system administrators, editing an HTML file makes them programmers and pushing the wifi button on a router network engineers.

 

[alevasseur14]

http://www.slate.com/id/2281146/

If you don't know WHY you are doing something: Either research or DON'T DO IT. Sheeptards.

I know exactly why I'm doing it. That's what I was taught in typing class in the 3rd grade. I don't really care what some internet tough guy says.

What's funny is that you're the only person in the world that cares enough to bring it up and make an ass out of yourself. Kudos.

 

[CZroe]

Ok, you've officially gone off the deep end. Good work. Updates that require a restart are generally critical. Updates that don't require a restart are generally not critical. Following this line of reasoning, you accomplish installing updates that probably aren't critical to the security of the machine while not restarting and negating those patches you installed. Super.

Thank you for pointing out that double spaces after sentences is wrong. Supposedly. Trust me, it's difficult for me to care less what you think at this point.

Finally, yes I did say that 99% of Windows users aren't affected by this supposed flaw. I know it's the default behavior and 99% users don't give a shit. That's my point.

In short, fuck off.

Hello? The WORK I'm doing may be JUST as critical. After all, that's what a critical update is supposed to protect: MY DATA AND WORK

And the patches aren't "negated" when you delay a restart until you are ready any more than they would be if you delayed starting the installation in order to avoid automatic installations. In fact, they are negated markedly less because they can't be ignored forever and they WILL finish when you restart on your own without relying on you to "feel like" installing some updates... and that's not even factoring the updates that DO install without restarting.

And how can I take someone seriously who continues doing what they KNOW is wrong? It isn't "supposedly" wrong, it is in-arguably wrong.

A statistician, you aren't.

 

[CZroe]

I know exactly why I'm doing it. That's what I was taught in typing class in the 3rd grade. I don't really care what some internet tough guy says.

What's funny is that you're the only person in the world that cares enough to bring it up and make an ass out of yourself. Kudos.

No. In 3rd grade they were repeating something that they heard which ONLY applied to monospaced typewriter fonts. It does not improve readability in normal type and is 100% WRONG to use there. What's funny is that you now know why your 3rd grade teacher was wrong and yet you are going to continue doing it.

 

[alkemyst]

Oh, and stop putting two spaces after a period. It is just wrong. Trust me. Yes, people do it. Yes, some people were TAUGHT to do it. Yes, some people still TEACH other people to do it, but it absolutely is wrong unless you are typing with a mono-spaced font such as an old typewriter. Period.

wow, before throwing shit at someone else take a good look at yourself. I'd seriously seek help or get some meds if the whole one vs two spaces after a period is that much of a concern for you. Are you still a teenager or something?

 

[Ichinisan]

I do a ton of work mostly fixing botched jobs by other 'experts'.

Sadly people feel in today's age being able to install an OS/software makes them system administrators, editing an HTML file makes them programmers and pushing the wifi button on a router network engineers.

Ditto, ditto, ditto. Agreed, agreed, agreed.

 

[alkemyst]

No. In 3rd grade they were repeating something that they heard which ONLY applied to monospaced typewriter fonts. It does not improve readability in normal type and is 100% WRONG to use there. What's funny is that you now know why your 3rd grade teacher was wrong and yet you are going to continue doing it.

http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/typespacing/a/onetwospaces.htm

CZroe is fucking straight ballah!