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[CZroe]

wow, before throwing shit at someone else take a good look at yourself. I'd seriously seek help or get some meds if the whole one vs two spaces after a period is that much of a concern for you. Are you still a teenager or something?

Defensive, much? Of the indefensible?

Edit: There's a reason HTML and the forums delete your extra space. You have to click to see the source post and quote it yourself to see Alky's damning two spaces.

http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/typespacing/a/onetwospaces.htm

CZroe is fucking straight ballah!

What about it? I've read the exact same page before.

 

[Numenorean]

http://www.slate.com/id/2281146/

If you don't know WHY you are doing something: Either research or DON'T DO IT. Sheeptards.

So some guy has an opinion and you think it's written in stone? My opinion is that you can do either one or two. That is also the opinion of a professor at the college I went to who has a doctorate. So he's absolutely wrong and some typesetter somewhere is absolutely right? Moron.

BTW, that article would be easier to read if they put two spaces after the sentence.

 

[alkemyst]

Defensive, much? Of the indefensible?

, I have no idea why you quoted my iPhone post...you indeed have some issues.

What about it? I've read the exact same page before.

Here is the key part of that article and what MOST of the sane agree on:

The Bottom Line: Professional typesetters, designers, desktop publishers, and anyone who truly cares about fonts and typography should use only one space after a period or other ending punctuation. Save the double spaces for typewriting, casual email, term papers (if prescribed by the style guide you are using), or personal correspondence. Remove extra spaces. For everyone else, do whatever makes you feel good.

It seems being a grammar nazi is your only claim to fame. Since you lack the ability to effectively debate, you resort to attacking typoes and insignificant grammar issues. Meanwhile, as anyone that understands our language; you should know most people are posting in stream-of-consciousness here and are not really concerned with even proper capitalization.

tsk tsk.

 

[CZroe]

So some guy has an opinion and you think it's written in stone? My opinion is that you can do either one or two. That is also the opinion of a professor at the college I went to who has a doctorate. So he's absolutely wrong and some typesetter somewhere is absolutely right? Moron.

BTW, that article would be easier to read if they put two spaces after the sentence.

What galls me about two-spacers isn't just their numbers. It's their certainty that they're right. Over Thanksgiving dinner last year, I asked people what they considered to be the "correct" number of spaces between sentences. The diners included doctors, computer programmers, and other highly accomplished professionals. Everyone—everyone!—said it was proper to use two spaces. Some people admitted to slipping sometimes and using a single space—but when writing something formal, they were always careful to use two. Others explained they mostly used a single space but felt guilty for violating the two-space "rule." Still others said they used two spaces all the time, and they were thrilled to be so proper. When I pointed out that they were doing it wrong—that, in fact, the correct way to end a sentence is with a period followed by a single, proud, beautiful space—the table balked. "Who says two spaces is wrong?" they wanted to know.

Continue with your barnyard antics. I will go collect my shears.

 

[alkemyst]

Edit: There's a reason HTML and the forums delete your extra space.

there is and it has nothing to do with grammar rules. HTML in almost all namespaces ignores all extra white space.

This is why the " " is sometimes used.

Again, you are outside your realm of knowledge.

 

[CZroe]

, I have no idea why you quoted my iPhone post...you indeed have some issues.




Here is the key part of that article and what MOST of the sane agree on:




It seems being a grammar nazi is your only claim to fame. Since you lack the ability to effectively debate, you resort to attacking typoes and insignificant grammar issues. Meanwhile, as anyone that understands our language; you should know most people are posting in stream-of-consciousness here and are not really concerned with even proper capitalization.

tsk tsk.

I was making a point to a poster who demonstrated such extreme sheep mentality that he was coming to the complete WRONG conclusion, even more wrong than the people he was trying to align himself with. That was meant as a way to cast a spotlight onto his sheep-ness. Why do you think I never said anything about it to anyone here in the last ten years though I never did it myself and clearly cared enough to properly punctuate and capitalize?

there is and it has nothing to do with grammar rules. HTML in almost all namespaces ignores all extra white space.

This is why the " " is sometimes used.

Again, you are outside your realm of knowledge.

This is exactly why and avoiding the same whitespace holes is exactly why it's wrong nearly everywhere else. I'm not sure why you think it contradicts me.

 

[Numenorean]

Continue with your barnyard antics. I will go collect my shears.

Get fucked dumbass.

Either is acceptable, whether you think it is or not. I'm not saying that you CAN'T use just one. There are tons of people which say it's one way, and tons who say it's another. Where's the proof that either is the only correct one? And by proof I don't mean some fucking opinion piece on Slate.

 

[alevasseur14]

Hello? The WORK I'm doing may be JUST as critical. After all, that's what a critical update is supposed to protect: MY DATA AND WORK

And the patches aren't "negated" when you delay a restart until you are ready any more than they would be if you delayed starting the installation in order to avoid automatic installations. In fact, they are negated markedly less because they can't be ignored forever and they WILL finish when you restart on your own without relying on you to "feel like" installing some updates... and that's not even factoring the updates that DO install without restarting.

And how can I take someone seriously who continues doing what they KNOW is wrong? It isn't "supposedly" wrong, it is in-arguably wrong.

A statistician, you aren't.

Let me make this abundantly clear for you one more time. I don't care one bit if you take me seriously. I think you're a dumbass for bringing up period spacing in a thread that has ZERO to do with spaces. So where does that leave us?

 

[preslove]

OP is #2 idiot on this board. I think CZroe has proven himself to be #3.

 

[alevasseur14]

Extreme sheep mentality! Watch out!!

 

[alkemyst]

I was making a point to a poster who demonstrated such extreme sheep mentality that he was coming to the complete WRONG conclusion, even more wrong than the people he was trying to align himself with. That was meant as a way to cast a spotlight onto his sheep-ness. Why do you think I never said anything about it to anyone here in the last ten years though I never did it myself and clearly cared enough to properly punctuate and capitalize?



This is exactly why and avoiding the same whitespace holes is exactly why it's wrong nearly everywhere else. I'm not sure why you think it contradicts me.

Using two spaces after a period is hardly being a 'sheep'...it's what I was taught and has become habit to me. There is no reason to retrain myself on this.

I can guarantee you, I am probably one of the least 'sheep-like' people you will ever meet. So much so that one year my ex wife and I rode splash mountain about 5 times in a row due to one line that was totally empty. It actually took Disney to put a person there to tell people "It's ok folks, you can use this EMPTY line too".

 

[zinfamous]

lol. this thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

and yes--two spaces after periods is categorically wrong.

 

[Numenorean]

lol. this thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

and yes--two spaces after periods is categorically wrong.

According to you, and you're categorically wrong.

 

[zinfamous]

According to you, and you're categorically wrong.

no, according to every manual of style, the history of typography. etc.

basically, the field and people responsible for these rules (as you imply there is some sort of rule, you should be familiar with the actual rules)

people do things wrong all the time, simply b/c they want to. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over it. I don't care if you're wrong about this, honestly. but you are.

seriously--tell me why you are right?

actually, I don't really care.

 

[SSSnail]

lol. this thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

and yes--two spaces after periods is categorically wrong.

NO it's not, not according to any LEGAL documents I've ever produced, and never according to MS Office. So, where does that leave us? :awe:

Or, are you in the same school that though not capitalizing a word after a period is OK? Right after your leave one space?

 

[zinfamous]

NO it's not, not according to any LEGAL documents I've ever produced, and never according to MS Office. So, where does that leave us? :awe:

Or, are you in the same school that though not capitalizing a word after a period is OK? Right after your leave one space?

First of all--I'm not arguing about what people do, got it? I don't give a shit.

Second--this is simply to explain the rule that you guys think you know. You don't, so that is all I'm doing. You claim there is an established rule for this, I'm simply informing you of the established rule. If you take this so seriously, then investigate the history. Investigate the actual rules.

look, the reason people do it is to compensate for the limitations of typewriters, as clearly explained in CZRoe's link, which on one fucking bothered to read. The RULES OF STYLE, typographers and typesetters that have been in this business for 4 centuries set the single space rule long before your great great great grandfather was a single gamete in your great great great great grandfather's ballsac.

The point, is that "two spacing" is a modern convention that was adopted to compensate for an irregular technology--fixed spacing that typewriters forced onto type. It looked awful.

Maybe 10 people use typewriters now, and while the rules of typeset never changed, people still stick to adapted convention of using typewriters. They assume it's correct, but they never knew the rule. same with legal documents that depend on all sorts of horrible typeset technologies--telefax, those gigantic plastic sheets that were barely legible.

thing is, the accepted rule of style never changed. Two-spacing has not been adopted by any style manual, yet the use remains with modern word processors for whatever reason. That is the rule, and that is all I am saying.


I can sit here and tell you how common misuse, especially with English Grammar, has led to countless conventions, some accepted "officially," some not.

for example--"irregardless" has been added to Webster's, even though it isn't really a word (the meaning is the exact same as regardless--there's no logical reason to accept its misuse, if you know what I mean.) However, b/c one official source appears to have accepted it, it remains a debatable point.

The various manuals of style never accepted two spacing after sentences. So, it is officially, less acceptable than the abomination that is "irregardless."

 

[Numenorean]

no, according to every manual of style, the history of typography. etc.

basically, the field and people responsible for these rules (as you imply there is some sort of rule, you should be familiar with the actual rules)

people do things wrong all the time, simply b/c they want to. I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over it. I don't care if you're wrong about this, honestly. but you are.

seriously--tell me why you are right?

actually, I don't really care.

I'm right because I'm saying you can do it either way. You're saying that there is only one way, period. Well that isn't the case.

Fact is, depending on what you're doing, two spaces looks better and is easier to read. In that case, you could use two spaces. In any case you could use two spaces if you like.

 

[SSSnail]

Obviously, you cared. And, you mad. :awe:

 

[zinfamous]

I'm right because I'm saying you can do it either way. You're saying that there is only one way, period. Well that isn't the case.

Fact is, depending on what you're doing, two spaces looks better and is easier to read. In that case, you could use two spaces. In any case you could use two spaces if you like.

again, I'm simply telling you what the rule is. You guys made a big stink over you knowing the rule. I simply pointed out what the actual rules and the manuals of style that establish these rules say.

where did you miss that?

 

[alkemyst]

This is exactly why and avoiding the same whitespace holes is exactly why it's wrong nearly everywhere else. I'm not sure why you think it contradicts me.

Well a strict HTML page without any whitespace is pretty impossible for most to read, even pros...add a ton of extra white space and it doesn't make it any harder really and modern broadband can render the extra few kilobytes without blinking an eye.

The two space deal is one that people with no lives fight...much like those into cars that want to argue parking vs emergency brake and always try to start that fight.

 

[zinfamous]

Obviously, you cared. And, you mad. :awe:

God damn it! If my piddly English Degree authorizes me to do something, it might as well be this!

 

[SSSnail]

God damn it! If my piddly English Degree authorizes me to do something, it might as well be this!

It's alright man, we all have to be passionate about something.

 

[alkemyst]

You know what's funny is I think there are at least two people in this thread that if ever could time travel would put re-teaching the two space rule after a period in their top 3 uses for it.

That makes me a sad panda.

 

[CZroe]

OP is #2 idiot on this board. I think CZroe has proven himself to be #3.

"Rather than refute his points, I'll just insult his intelligence without merit!"

Extreme sheep mentality! Watch out!!

This is ATOT's modus operandi. They jumped all over me when I said that I wouldn't protect or even cover for a family member who burglarized or murdered someone just because they were family. I was even accused of blaspheming Darwin, yet when one guy says that his sister opened a now-delinquent cable TV account in his name without his prior knowledge, they all jump in and start telling him to rake the "bitch" over the coals. One group mentality formed in one thread, a completely different one formed in the other.

Using two spaces after a period is hardly being a 'sheep'...it's what I was taught and has become habit to me. There is no reason to retrain myself on this.

I can guarantee you, I am probably one of the least 'sheep-like' people you will ever meet. So much so that one year my ex wife and I rode splash mountain about 5 times in a row due to one line that was totally empty. It actually took Disney to put a person there to tell people "It's ok folks, you can use this EMPTY line too".

You don't think that the bold part also expresses "follow the leader" mentality?

The reason word processors allow it is because they also *gasp* allow optional monospaced fonts, which is what the practice exists for. Saying that you need more white space on any proportionally spaced font to improve readability is ridiculous. The only reason there is ever any trouble picking out the sentences in a wall of text is when gaps between letters of the same word often nearly equal the gaps between words and sentences (monospace). Should I just start using double periods everywhere I type? The logic is the same.

Once again, I never brought this up before so I obviously don't care as much as you want to make it out to be. I only brought it up to make a point about sheep mentality in a thread that is FULL of it.

 

[zinfamous]

You know what's funny is I think there are at least two people in this thread that if ever could time travel would put re-teaching the two space rule after a period in their top 3 uses for it.

That makes me a sad panda.

not me. I wonder who the 2nd person would be.

this issue, for me, is a larger issue of "I know the rules based on my own personal experience, therefore I determine the rules."

I'm far more interested in pointing out the fallacy of people like you boldly proclaiming you know something that you clearly don't know.

The two space issue is inherently meaningless to me. fuck, I still throw two spaces in from time to time. I really don't care.