GTX 285 or 295 ?

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

Marketing?

LoL, good Lord could you imagine if I had said the wpords? No, it's not marketing. More like an ample opportunity for some members to show their fairness. I'm leaving it up to them. Let's see how they do.

When you would recommend a slower (285), less efficient or dual GPU slightly faster, but even more less efficient DX10 card over a faster, more efficient DX11 card just based on PhysX then it's marketing at it's best!
Especially when he said he upgrades every 3 years.
Shame on you.

Janoo, if you had bothered, or cared, to look you would have surely seen that I have not recommended anything at all. All I asked for was for the OP to be fully informed. I gave no nod to 285 nor 295 nor 58xx. Nothing. I did however second the suggestion that the OP invest in a larger monitor. So, yes. Shame on me.
Janoo, this is the perfect opportunity for you to explain the P-word in an unbiased fashion. Do you think you could do that? I highly doubt it. But I would like to see it happen. And I'm sure the OP would appreciate it.
Go back and view the posts in this thread after I asked them to explain all options to the OP. They didn't do it. They won't do it. Marc's post will go down in infamy. Sig worthy.
Looks like the OP made a good choice, but not a completely informed one. So, shame on you. :thumbsup:

I never said you did. I used the word 'would'. So who needs to read the previous posts again?
Nevertheless, you promised not to do any marketing for NV products. It's disappointing that you can not keep your word.
Seriously, please, stay out of any recommendation threads.

 

[alcoholbob]

You should say PhysX is a must have because of next generation games like Batman: Arkham Asylum. Also other titles like...Like...Like...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

Marketing?

LoL, good Lord could you imagine if I had said the wpords? No, it's not marketing. More like an ample opportunity for some members to show their fairness. I'm leaving it up to them. Let's see how they do.

When you would recommend a slower (285), less efficient or dual GPU slightly faster, but even more less efficient DX10 card over a faster, more efficient DX11 card just based on PhysX then it's marketing at it's best!
Especially when he said he upgrades every 3 years.
Shame on you.

Janoo, if you had bothered, or cared, to look you would have surely seen that I have not recommended anything at all. All I asked for was for the OP to be fully informed. I gave no nod to 285 nor 295 nor 58xx. Nothing. I did however second the suggestion that the OP invest in a larger monitor. So, yes. Shame on me.
Janoo, this is the perfect opportunity for you to explain the P-word in an unbiased fashion. Do you think you could do that? I highly doubt it. But I would like to see it happen. And I'm sure the OP would appreciate it.
Go back and view the posts in this thread after I asked them to explain all options to the OP. They didn't do it. They won't do it. Marc's post will go down in infamy. Sig worthy.
Looks like the OP made a good choice, but not a completely informed one. So, shame on you. :thumbsup:

I never said you did. I used the word 'would'. So who needs to read the previous posts again?
Nevertheless, you promised not to do any marketing for NV products. It's disappointing that you can not keep your word.
Seriously, please, stay out of any recommendation threads.

So, you would stop people from being informed. I suspected as much. I'd stay out of the recommendation threads if all the info is given. But, as you can see, it's being left out intentionally. How you can say I'm marketing after what you've seen here, is ludicrous. Who is steering who, which way. One way. It isn't me. I asked for an equal information field and for others to provide it. They won't. So, where does that leave us? Omission of information is just as bad as any FUD. And in itself is absolute marketing. And you condone it for what reason? Why not rise up against that? You're supposed to be all fair and balanced, but only have eyes for NV marketing? I think it's time you patrolled your own.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: v8envy


Wreckage, I'd love for you to state that the "starting to almost become" feature of PhysX will be more important than DirectCompute and DX11 support in 2 years, never mind 3. That way I could taunt you mercilessly when PhysX is long forgotten and the 200 series NV owners are all upgrading because their hardware can't play new titles.

So you are saying something that may or may not be important 2 or 3 years from now, is a priority over something that is important right now.

Thats funny I'm running all the games I play and having a GREAT time with my 5870........ better get rid of it in the morning..... didn't know I HAD to have PhysX:disgust:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
You should say PhysX is a must have because of next generation games like Batman: Arkham Asylum. Also other titles like...Like...Like...

PhysX isn't a must have. It's a "want". Not a need. Just as any graphics feature is.
HDR isn't needed, but we want it. AA isn't needed, but we want it. Anistropic filtering isn't needed, but we want it. Why? Because it makes games better and more immersive.
Every PhysX title is getting better, and better. More content. Right now, it's still a "want", and not a must have. People can play Batman:AA without PhysX perfectly fine. They just won't have the extra content and effects. If they can be happy with that, that is great. For those that "want" it and get it, will enjoy the extras.

 

[evolucion8]

You did a good choice with the HD 5870, its the fastest single GPU in the market. While other people can say that you will be missing PhysX or CUDA, but if you go with an nVidia card, you will get plain DX10.0 support, no DX11, no Eyefinity, less performance, no audio through HDMI, higher power consumption, etc. With the current HD 5x00 series, the current nVidia lineup look much less appealing than before. nVidia need Fermi now, so we can have better pricing and competition

 

[SlowSpyder]

OP, I'm willing to bet you'll be much happier with the 5870 in the long run. It'll tear through anything on your current monitor and give you room to grow in both features and horsepower when you get a larger display and DX11 arrives.

A GTX285 level card would do great on your monitor, but you'd be stuck with DX10 and it would start to show it's limitations much sooner than a 5870 with upcoming games.

A GTX295, while a very powerful card, would still limit you to DX10. While multiGPU has come a long way (so I've heard, my last attempt with it was with two GeForce 6800's) it's still not perfect, at least not nearly as much as a single GPU. When you factor in the cost, power usage, heat, and features the 5870 should be a no brainer over a GTX295 for the vast majority of enthusiast gamers.

Seeing as you plan on keeping the system for ~3 years, I think you'll find DX11 will be a very worthwhile feature over the life time of the rig. Physx has been out for a few years and has yet to do anything truely useful and only is used in a handful of games (hardware supported Physx).

Enjoy your new card! I'm jealous.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
You did a good choice with the HD 5870, its the fastest single GPU in the market. While other people can say that you will be missing PhysX or CUDA, but if you go with an nVidia card, you will get plain DX10.0 support, no DX11, no Eyefinity, less performance, no audio through HDMI, higher power consumption, etc. With the current HD 5x00 series, the current nVidia lineup look much less appealing than before. nVidia need Fermi now, so we can have better pricing and competition

I agree. I went from a 4890 to a 5870 just for power saving alone. I work on a lot of the same things Panthur is wanting to do but will give up some speed of video work for DX11. That is the choice he has to make, is DX11 and low power use (2d) worth the cost of some PhysX/Cuda suport in some app's. For me it was a big no..... I video edit but not for a living and not close to all the time.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: *kjm


Thats funny I'm running all the games I play and having a GREAT time with my 5870........ better get rid of it in the morning..... didn't know I HAD to have PhysX:disgust:

Oddly enough I'm running all the games I play and having a GREAT time with my GTX260.....Seems not a one of them uses DirectX 11.

Also my folding@home numbers are huge, although I can't find any Directcompute applications.

I'm not saying DX11 won't be useful in say 2 or 3 years (maybe more).

I'm just saying I only care about what's useful now.

I'm not saying the 5850 is a bad card either, but you should not limit peoples choices.

 

[Rezist]

It's tough to say which will be more important. DX11 may completely fail and Mac's and Linux box's will take over the gaming arena for PC's.

With that in mind I'd recommend a Mac for all your gaming needs. DX11 IMO truly has no future.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Funny thing happened on the way to an answer . Thread derailed. Because the OP askd a exact question . I say go for the 295 . Might as well its the top outdated graphics card ya can buy . GO for it . GTX 295 all the way . Get higher res monitor well your at it .

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Funny thing happened on the way to an answer . Thread derailed. Because the OP askd a exact question . I say go for the 295 . Might as well its the top outdated graphics card ya can buy . GO for it . GTX 295 all the way . Get higher res monitor well your at it .

Derailed? Why? If a buyer here comes asking which card is better for the $110 price point, as an example, the GTS 250 or the HD 4770, will you recommend both which are inferior against the cheaper HD 4850? Is about being more open to more options instead of just giving blindful recommendations. GTX 295 which has an obsolete feature set, consumes lots of power, its dependant of drivers for scaling in games, hassless that the OP will not find with a single HD 5870.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rezist
It's tough to say which will be more important. DX11 may completely fail and Mac's and Linux box's will take over the gaming arena for PC's.

With that in mind I'd recommend a Mac for all your gaming needs. DX11 IMO truly has no future.

I need to frame this.

 

[*kjm]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: *kjm


Thats funny I'm running all the games I play and having a GREAT time with my 5870........ better get rid of it in the morning..... didn't know I HAD to have PhysX:disgust:

Oddly enough I'm running all the games I play and having a GREAT time with my GTX260.....Seems not a one of them uses DirectX 11.

Also my folding@home numbers are huge, although I can't find any Directcompute applications.

I'm not saying DX11 won't be useful in say 2 or 3 years (maybe more).

I'm just saying I only care about what's useful now.

I'm not saying the 5850 is a bad card either, but you should not limit peoples choices.

Wreckage it's getting old..... fast.
The OP didn't mention anything about F@H so who cares?
If anything he could gain from PX/Cuda if he uses high end video software. And if he/she is using them programs that use it may pay off for them.... but what are there total needs?

"I'm not saying the 5850 is a bad card either, but you should not limit peoples choices."

Are you for real? You think anyone posts to limit peoples choices??? Maybe some, not me! I don't care what they buy I just try to help them get what they will be happy with. I have systems with nVidia and ATI and they both serve my needs. I just hate to see someone buy a high value card and regret it down the road. We could all help the OP without stabs and....... never mind.

 

[alcoholbob]

Crysis has it's own physics engine that runs just fine. Have you seen the youtube videos? People are stacking 10,000 of objects and watching them collide with each other. Batman AA was made by a small overseas studio. The big name developers will continue to develop software with open source physics that runs just fine.

 

[jrphoenix]

Originally posted by: Panthur
I am putting together a new win 7 system, Core I7 870, Asus p55 mb, 8 gb ram, I mostly surf, play some games and work with avchd files from a hd camcorder some.....should I go for a gtx 285 or gtx 295 ? ...thanks in advance...

Unless you are comitted to only using nvidia cards, I would suggest getting the 5870. Save some money (about $100 less) over the gtx 295 for about the same performance + direct X11 support.

 

[Compddd]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
The GTX295 is still the fastest card on the market and it supports PhysX, which is starting to become almost a must have feature.

Newegg does not look to have any 5870s in stock and only 1 5850.

At your rez you can pick up a GTX260 for around $150 that will play all games well and give you the benefits of PhysX\CUDA\broader AA support\etc.

You're a broken record

Leave

 

[Panthur]

GTX 8800

 

[MarcVenice]

I'm sorry Keys, but Panthur didn't ask about the pro's and con's of both vendors. He asked should I buy a GTX 285 or a GTX 295, and my opinion on that is, buy neither, but buy a HD 5850 or HD 5870 instead. My arguments were, a HD 5850 is faster and cheaper then a GTX 285. Nothing else, not even DirectX 11. I didn't even mention it uses a lot less power.

If Panthur doesn't like my opinion, he can get more opinions and disregard mine. I do not feel the need to inform every single videocard buyer about every little detail. If they are bummed out because they can't use PhysX in batman after buying a HD 5850, then they should have done their homework better. But as you can see in most posts in this topic, videocards are still about rendering graphics, not about running computational applications.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

please tell us that you are talking about physix and cuda...

edit: after reading the entire thread, it seems that lots of Zoners are in the building. I know that wreckage is annoying as hell, but why is it not legitimate to mention physix or cuda? I've never had any desire at all for physix, but dragon age is my big must-have game this year and it is going to have physix. I used to think that cuda was a bag of crap, but when they started making apps for F@H and Seti@home I took notice. Doubtless open cl, direct compute, etc will become more and more beneficial over time, so I think that for the OP it is a no-brainer to buy the ati offerings at this time. However, to trash people for even bringing up benefits of nvidia cards when the OP originally ASKED about nvidia cards is stupid.

 

[INGlewood78]

Good choice with the 5870

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I'm sorry Keys, but Panthur didn't ask about the pro's and con's of both vendors. He asked should I buy a GTX 285 or a GTX 295, and my opinion on that is, buy neither, but buy a HD 5850 or HD 5870 instead. My arguments were, a HD 5850 is faster and cheaper then a GTX 285. Nothing else, not even DirectX 11. I didn't even mention it uses a lot less power.

If Panthur doesn't like my opinion, he can get more opinions and disregard mine. I do not feel the need to inform every single videocard buyer about every little detail. If they are bummed out because they can't use PhysX in batman after buying a HD 5850, then they should have done their homework better. But as you can see in most posts in this topic, videocards are still about rendering graphics, not about running computational applications.

Normally I don't like to dissect posts, but this one is screaming for it.

"Panthur didn't ask about the pros and cons of both vendors."
Correct!! He asked about the GTX285 and GTX295. Not about the 5850 and 5870, but you still offered them up easily enough. And you gave "details" why.

"I do not feel the need to inform every single videocard buyer about every little detail."
Little detail? It's one of the most talked about features these days. People are even trying to hack the drivers to get it to work on their ATI equipped systems. Little detail. Sure.

"If they're bummed out because they can't use PhysX in batman after buying a HD5850, then they should have done their homework better."
Umm... He WAS doing his homework, Marc. He came here. This forum and many forums like it across the internet is where most homework is done.

"But as you can see in most posts in this topic, videocards are still about rendering graphics, not about running computational applications."
ATI videocards are still about rendering graphics. Nvidia cards are about rendering graphics, PhysX, and CUDA. Computational applications such as working with video encoding like the OP suggested? Those kinds of computational applications?

OP's quote: "I mostly surf, play some games and work with avchd files from a hd camcorder some.....should I go for a gtx 285 or gtx 295 ? ...thanks in advance..."

Boy oh boy, Marc. The next time someone asks for advice, and you offer it up, I'll need to link them to this thread.
There is absolutely nothing fair and balanced about what you did, or actually what you didn't do, and your excuses for it are even less impressive.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

please tell us that you are talking about physix and cuda...

edit: after reading the entire thread, it seems that lots of Zoners are in the building. I know that wreckage is annoying as hell, but why is it not legitimate to mention physix or cuda? I've never had any desire at all for physix, but dragon age is my big must-have game this year and it is going to have physix. I used to think that cuda was a bag of crap, but when they started making apps for F@H and Seti@home I took notice. Doubtless open cl, direct compute, etc will become more and more beneficial over time, so I think that for the OP it is a no-brainer to buy the ati offerings at this time. However, to trash people for even bringing up benefits of nvidia cards when the OP originally ASKED about nvidia cards is stupid.

Yes, I was talking about P-word (PhysX) and the C-word (CUDA). I wanted to give the zoners an opportunity to be even handed. They did not take the opportunity. Even go as far as saying, "If you don't do your homework, it's not my problem" or something similar. This is where homework is done. Why else would the OP come here and make a thread asking "What should I get?". Unbelievable.

 

[bimmerboy]

well if the enthusiast plays games like crysis, does some websurfing and does some video editing stuff (i hear nvidia has some apps that are good at that) and the said enthusiast prefers nvidia. also doesnt seemed concerned with power draw, heat and the like. let him/her get a 295 and enjoy

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Is nobody going to mention the P-word for the OP? I'm not going to, but you guys certainly should inform the OP, whether you like/need/care for the P-word or not. If you want him to make an informed decision, well, then inform him. Ask him a question about something else besides resolution. If he doesn't care about the P-word either, then all of your suggestions are sound. There are also applications for video editing that fall under the C-word.

No point when the nvidia marketing train will be along shortly to advise them how much they need it. Oh wait. WOOOO WOOOOO