GTX 512 non-availability

[n7]

So i think i can sum this thread up:

nVidiots believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB isn't nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
FanATIcs believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB is nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
You know what i think? I think you're all ****** idiots :roll:

This forum has turned into one flaming joke...

 

[Cookie Monster]

I think many are missing the point.
Im gona quote myself:

"For the extreme high end people it was defitnitely a hard launch because they got the card straight away. The card is pretty much targeting the extreme high end enthustiasts and it did its job 110% better than NV/many people wouldve thought, because it sold like mad, and now its out of stock.(Well with the exception of the people who got it BEFORE the launch). "

If youre not a extreme high end enthusiasts, then i dont see the point of cursing NV for availability. You may be entitled you were opinion but many who (the extreme high end people) bought the cards are happy that they got it at the day of launch without to much availability hassle. (Price isnt a concern for most of those insane people)

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003


1. ATI launched X1800XL & X1800XT. Had availability about 5-6 days after this launch for the XL. And nothing for another month for the XT.

2. Nvidia launched the 7800GTX. Had availability on launch day and vendors even started leaking/gouging the consumer 2 days prior to launch.

3. So tell me. How is this the exact same stunt that you mentioned?

EDITed #4 out. It wasn't nice.

1. This is false. The XL had availability online and in Frys (a real brick and mortar store) 2 days after the launch. Has there been any 512's in any retail store? The XT was avail before the release date.

2. Yeah, so was the XT. It had avail a few days before the official date as well. And is now under $500.

Lets try to stick to facts please.

 

[ZimZum]

Originally posted by: n7
So i think i can sum this thread up:

nVidiots believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB isn't nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
FanATIcs believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB is nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
You know what i think? I think you're all ****** idiots :roll:

This forum has turned into one flaming joke...

QFT

 

[ddogg]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
yeah those suckers went fast no doubt,..i was sittin at the newegg 512mb 7800gtx page with my cursur on the MSI,..starin at it for about a half an hour bouncin my knee debateing clickin the add to cart button,....then i caved and clicked it and it suddenly said " product unavailable",..refreshed the page and it was sold out,...i took that as a sign and closed the window.....lol wasnt ment to be

LOL thats happened to me before!! i think i was debating buying the X850XTPE then.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
1. This is false. Has there been any 512's in any retail store?

I would think so as they're doling out 4000/week?

The XT was avail before the release date.

Nonetheless, a full month after it paper launched. The operative term here is paper launch, Ackmed. They told us the X800XTPEs would be along in a month or two as well- paper launch.

2. Yeah, so was the XT. It had avail a few days before the official date as well. And is now under $500.

Perhaps because demand on them has plummeted due to the ass kicking handed to the XT by the 512 GTX? So everyone wants that card, not some 16 pipe dustbuster? In any case, as I've always said, noise isn't my hot button, so for me and people like me, a $500 X1800XT is getting down to the price range it should be considered.

Lets try to stick to facts please.

I wish you would.

 

[Aonghasan]

Someone please make Rollo Video Mod so he can ban anyone not kissing Nvidias ass...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Aonghasan
Someone please make Rollo Video Mod so he can ban anyone not kissing Nvidias ass...

That's it! You're not kissing! BANNED!

Oh yeah.....nm.........

:laugh:

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
1. This is false. Has there been any 512's in any retail store?

I would think so as they're doling out 4000/week?

The XT was avail before the release date.

Nonetheless, a full month after it paper launched. The operative term here is paper launch, Ackmed. They told us the X800XTPEs would be along in a month or two as well- paper launch.

2. Yeah, so was the XT. It had avail a few days before the official date as well. And is now under $500.

Perhaps because demand on them has plummeted due to the ass kicking handed to the XT by the 512 GTX? So everyone wants that card, not some 16 pipe dustbuster? In any case, as I've always said, noise isn't my hot button, so for me and people like me, a $500 X1800XT is getting down to the price range it should be considered.

Lets try to stick to facts please.

I wish you would.

Dont be mad because I pointed out a fact that you dont like.

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

You still sound as ignorant as always. How do you know the increased avail is due to people wanting the 512mb GTX? You dont. The XL also dropped in price, as avail increased. Its common logic. You calling it a dustbuster is about as silly as it gets. We've already been thru this, its not loud. And pipes dont matter, its still a very fast card. Very close to the 512mb GTX when review sites actually use high quality settings. All the while, being had for about $200 less.

I am, you putting in your opinions, is not.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
1. This is false. Has there been any 512's in any retail store?

I would think so as they're doling out 4000/week?

The XT was avail before the release date.

Nonetheless, a full month after it paper launched. The operative term here is paper launch, Ackmed. They told us the X800XTPEs would be along in a month or two as well- paper launch.

2. Yeah, so was the XT. It had avail a few days before the official date as well. And is now under $500.

Perhaps because demand on them has plummeted due to the ass kicking handed to the XT by the 512 GTX? So everyone wants that card, not some 16 pipe dustbuster? In any case, as I've always said, noise isn't my hot button, so for me and people like me, a $500 X1800XT is getting down to the price range it should be considered.

Lets try to stick to facts please.

I wish you would.

Dont be mad because I pointed out a fact that you dont like.

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

You still sound as ignorant as always. How do you know the increased avail is due to people wanting the 512mb GTX? You dont. The XL also dropped in price, as avail increased. Its common logic. You calling it a dustbuster is about as silly as it gets. We've already been thru this, its not loud. And pipes dont matter, its still a very fast card. Very close to the 512mb GTX when review sites actually use high quality settings. All the while, being had for about $200 less.

I am, you putting in your opinions, is not.

What's a good reason as to why reviewers don't use HQ settings when testing nvidia cards??? Why would someone buy these cards and not play them on HQ settings?

 

[TecHNooB]

lets all just face the facts. the 7800GTX 512MB is a great card. we all want it. we want it so bad that we're finding reasons to hate nvidia simply bcuz its not here when we want it to be. that's how bad we want it :O

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Dont be mad because I pointed out a fact that you dont like.

I never get mad at you Ackmed, just need to correct you from time to time.

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

Of course the cards were paper launched on Oct 5, so getting your product out a couple days early is a dubious "achievement".

You still sound as ignorant as always.

Statistically speaking the odds are I have more formal education* than you, and likely from better schools as well. I don't come on here blabbering about your "ignorance" though, do I?

How do you know the increased avail is due to people wanting the 512mb GTX?

I've taken economics classes and realize the price didn't likely plummet $200 in two weeks due to vendors being "nice guys".

You dont. The XL also dropped in price, as avail increased. Its common logic.

If demand were high, the price would have stayed higher with the rising supply. Alas, demand for these products is not high. Few out side of Rage3d seem to want the 16 pipe "Wednesdays Child" card. ATI fans are waiting for the R580, people who don't care about brand see nV products are the better value.
You're apparently one of them as you use a 7800GTX! LOL

You calling it a dustbuster is about as silly as it gets. We've already been thru this, its not loud.

You've never heard one. The guys at Rage3d say it's louder than a 7800GTX. The guys at H say it's a dustbuster. The guys at Extremetech say it's loud. The guys at CGW say it's loud.
If they're so GREAT, why don't YOU have one Ackmed?

And pipes dont matter, its still a very fast card.

Not fast enough to entice YOU apparently-LOL.

Very close to the 512mb GTX when review sites actually use high quality settings.

On both cards? Or should reviewers use High Quality on nV cards and Quality on ATI cards like the ATI review guide used to advise? LOL

All the while, being had for about $200 less.

Nobody wants them though, including you.

I am, you putting in your opinions, is not.

Your opinions would mean more to me if you would buy an XT? LOL

 

[Tanclearas]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Eh? And what, pray tell, are GDDR3 memory modules made of? Kryptonite? No. They are made with silicon, the extremely common substance that everyone knows is common.

"Eh?" indeed. That's just about the dumbest turn in an argument I think I've ever seen by someone that knows how to type. No one was arguing that the modules were not made of silicon. Your original post was comparing extremely rare memory modules to extremely common silicon. Sigh... not sure that you'll understand that. Why do I bother...

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Why couldn't it be that Samsung promised NV more chips than they are actually delivering? So Nv had 4000 GTX512's at launch, and they all sold. There will be more as Samsung gets crackin on those memory modules.

Possible that Samsung promised more than they could deliver. Not sure that makes much sense though, otherwise ATI probably would've taken the bait as well.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
How is this analogy. You order a PC from Dell, and order the latest and best offerings they have. Including a state of the art 26" LCD widescreen (just an example). You pay for next day shipping, but receive word that because of your screen option, your shipment may be delayed due to availablility of the option. Is it Dells fault for offering this screen without having enough for everybody on demand? Or is it Samsung AGAIN who provides Dell with these screens at a trickle rate.

Dell did this to me (well, to the university I work for), and they sent me the system with an upgraded monitor. It was their fault for taking an order without specifically indicating the monitor was not available.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
1. ATI launched X1800XL & X1800XT. Had availability about 5-6 days after this launch for the XL. And nothing for another month for the XT.

ATI never claimed that the X1800XT would be a hard launch. I said that before. Here. Let's try again. ATI never claimed the X1800XT would be a hard launch. Multiple review sites stated the 7800GTX 512MB was a hard launch. Once again, ATI did not claim the X1800XT would be a hard launch. In fact, the X1800XT was available even before ATI said it would be.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
2. Nvidia launched the 7800GTX. Had availability on launch day and vendors even started leaking/gouging the consumer 2 days prior to launch.

So if ATI had shipped a total of 1000 units of the X1800XT on the day of the paper launch, you would have completely let that slide without comment? If you say "yes", then I say "bullshit".

Originally posted by: n7
So i think i can sum this thread up:

nVidiots believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB isn't nVidia's fault. Shocking
FanATIcs believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB is nVidia's fault. Shocking
You know what i think? I think you're all ****** idiots

It is possible to be neither an "nVidiot" nor a "FanATIc" and still point out when either company does something questionable. You are one or the other when you needlessly defend questionable activities by a specific company, and unfailingly point out questionable activities by the other (Rollo).

 

[Ackmed]

I point out some errors from one of your buddies, and you go off another useless ranting. You did not correct me at all, what you did was show your ignorance again. You post are worthless, and trolling. You are now ignored. Do not PM me again. Although Im sure you'll post back to me, which I wont be able to see.

Originally posted by: RobertR1
What's a good reason as to why reviewers don't use HQ settings when testing nvidia cards??? Why would someone buy these cards and not play them on HQ settings?

There is no good reason. Not using the newer, better AA, and high AF is not acceptable. AT didnt even use AF. That is pathetic.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
I point out some errors from one of your buddies, and you go off another useless ranting. You did not correct me at all, what you did was show your ignorance again. You post are worthless, and trolling. You are now ignored. Do not PM me again. Although Im sure you'll post back to me, which I wont be able to see.

Originally posted by: RobertR1
What's a good reason as to why reviewers don't use HQ settings when testing nvidia cards??? Why would someone buy these cards and not play them on HQ settings?

There is no good reason. Not using the newer, better AA, and high AF is not acceptable. AT didnt even use AF. That is pathetic.

LOL!

 

[Cookie Monster]

I already posted about why the card is not available. Why carry on with this stupid nonsense, and flaming? This thread also makes no sense

"Is it me or are these cards utter vaporware after the first initial supply? Newegg has been out since the day after release...this was the biggest letdown from nvidia since I've been buying videocards in the last year. "

Frackal, i think you posted a flamebait thread. The only reason its not available is because it was ALL sold out. All sold out by extreme hardware enthusiasts. The extreme high end consumers. Now this card is targetting that area of the market, not anyway else. Its not suppose to be your 6600GT bang for buck card. Its NVs flagship. The most powerful single card right now. This card is solely for those in the extreme high end market, because it has no real value amongst most of us mid range consumers/bang for buck people and such.

The extreme high end market is people who buy SLi, 7800GTX 512mb but its about 5% or even less of the total market. Hence the limited quantities because the market is small. Most people in that area of the market already owns a 7800GTX SLi setup hence another reason for its short supply.

But as many know it was out stock in the first day or so. I mean who would have guessed that there was many people willing to shell out 750ish dollars for the card. Heck there is some who spent on 2. I dont think anyone saw this coming, and i think NV mispredicted about such high demand for the card. Its not there fault too, for using 1.1ns rams because they knew there arent many people willing to shell out loads of money. But to our amazment and to NV, all the 512mbs were sold out practically.

As for availibility, its available as it was launched, its available here in New Zealand as the day of launch unlike the X1 series, the only problem is that it got sold out within launch. And how can you call that vaporware? did you expect not many people wouldve bought the card even at $799 just like i have?

The next shipping will bring more 7800GTX 512mb (roughly 10,000 according to INQ) so, i dont see why people are so annoyed about its availability. I mean, are you guys going to buy the cards? i mean who here is going to shell out 700 and up dollars for the 7800GTX 512mb? The availbility of the card should ONLY concern extreme high end enthusiasts who werent fast enough to buy one or two. And to most of them, theyre happy that they got the card straight away, that some got 2 for Sli straight away, and that the cards werent vaporware. To them money isnt a problem like uberhunter from NVnews, from xtremesystems, marcaddy etc.

You know what, ive never seen a high end card that costs 700 and up ALL sold out within the first day. Thats alot of cards sold 100 dollars over MSRP.

O and frackal. You have 7800GTX Sli setup. Your not going to get rid of them and buy the 512mbs ones are you?

 

[GOREGRINDER]

thnx for the read tanclearass,..

you werent promised a 512mb7800gtx for your precious little self,.....they said there would be some,..there was,...people got em,..you didnt,...wait for a restock,..or go buy an x1800xt if you feel youve been so wronged,....whats so questionable about that?,..its pretty clear to me

you need rollo to give you a hug er somethin and tell you everythings gonna be ok?,..hahaha

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Statistically speaking the odds are I have more formal education* than you, and likely from better schools as well. I don't come on here blabbering about your "ignorance" though, do I?

Just out of curiousity,

if you're here to 'inform and educate' others (your words, not mine) and that you're 'fair and balanced' and the 'last refuge of reason', why do you feel necessary to disrespect anyone who has different opinions than you?

A lot of fanboys are complete asses, but you act like you're above all that - and then you go and post something about how much educated you are? I don't get it.

 

[Tanclearas]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
thnx for the read tanclearass,..

you werent promised a 512mb7800gtx for your precious little self,.....they said there would be some,..there was,...people got em,..you didnt,...wait for a restock,..or go buy an x1800xt if you feel youve been so wronged,....whats so questionable about that?,..its pretty clear to me

you need rollo to give you a hug er somethin and tell you everythings gonna be ok?,..hahaha

My complaint is not that there aren't any cards! My complaint is that this was referred to as a hard launch when clearly it wasn't. Though not entirely a paper launch, it is a far cry from the successful launch of the 7800GTX/GT, and is more akin to the product launches of 2004.

I am pointing that out, and expressing my opinion in a forum of opinions, on-topic, for a thread someone else started. I'm sure you've done the same in here, and done your fair share of complaining about something, so cram it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: Rollo
Statistically speaking the odds are I have more formal education* than you, and likely from better schools as well. I don't come on here blabbering about your "ignorance" though, do I?

Just out of curiousity,

if you're here to 'inform and educate' others (your words, not mine) and that you're 'fair and balanced' and the 'last refuge of reason', why do you feel necessary to disrespect anyone who has different opinions than you?

A lot of fanboys are complete asses, but you act like you're above all that - and then you go and post something about how much educated you are? I don't get it.

I only mentioned it because Mr. Mouthy thought it would be a good idea to call me ignorant. If a person is going to cast stones and call others names, they should be prepared to have their words turned back on them.

Apparently it worked as well, you'll note he was obviously pretty angry when he responded. I don't have any problem with pushing someone's buttons if they're acting like a petulant child.

I'd rather just discuss video card though?

BTW- I am "above all that". You'll never see me insult another member unless responding to flames directed at me.

 

[route66]

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't have any problem with pushing someone's buttons

I believe that's called TROLLING.

Just stating my opinion.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas

My complaint is not that there aren't any cards! My complaint is that this was referred to as a hard launch when clearly it wasn't. Though not entirely a paper launch, it is a far cry from the successful launch of the 7800GTX/GT, and is more akin to the product launches of 2004.

This is exactly the point I'm trying to make also. There is still a fair amount of people wanting this card and it's next to impossible to find at a decent price. What ever the reason may be for the shortage doesn't excuse the fact that it's not available in adequate quantities. We're not talking about going to Fry's to pick one up, we're talking about commonly preferred etailers. To top it off, buying these cards at $100+ over MSRP could mean that future flagship models can easily start carrying a $699-$749 MSRP since it's clear that consumers are willing to pay that kind of cash. Then with limited availability on those, you're looking at a street price of $800+. The generation after that migh have a $849 MSRP. I'm sure those who have any sense of economics can follow along quite easily. This current craze and prices over the 7800GTX 512 will have future ramifications.

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas

My complaint is not that there aren't any cards! My complaint is that this was referred to as a hard launch when clearly it wasn't. Though not entirely a paper launch, it is a far cry from the successful launch of the 7800GTX/GT, and is more akin to the product launches of 2004.

Not really. NVidia estimated how many people would be loonball enough to cough up $700 for a product refresh mid cycle, contracted to make that many cards with their partners, and like everyone else got surprised when the initial run of cards FLEW off the shelves faster than the second batch of cards could be made.

Not being able to satisfy initial demand is a good thing. It means they aren't stuck with a giant inventory of parts they can't get rid of.

Expecting them to flood the market with 512 GTXes to the point where we value buyers can afford one is not the same thing as somewhat misjudging demand for the initial run of the card.

I am pointing that out, and expressing my opinion in a forum of opinions, on-topic, for a thread someone else started. I'm sure you've done the same in here, and done your fair share of complaining about something, so cram it.

I think the real complaint is 'holy crap, that card is priced stupid, and the demand for a $700 card is sending the wrong message!' A perfectly valid viewpoint. Viewing this as a 'paper launch' is not. The product was there to be bought on the day the product was released. End of story.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: n7
So i think i can sum this thread up:

nVidiots believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB isn't nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
FanATIcs believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB is nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
You know what i think? I think you're all ****** idiots :roll:

This forum has turned into one flaming joke...

Yep.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I already posted about why the card is not available. Why carry on with this stupid nonsense, and flaming? This thread also makes no sense

"Is it me or are these cards utter vaporware after the first initial supply? Newegg has been out since the day after release...this was the biggest letdown from nvidia since I've been buying videocards in the last year. "

Frackal, i think you posted a flamebait thread. The only reason its not available is because it was ALL sold out. All sold out by extreme hardware enthusiasts. The extreme high end consumers. Now this card is targetting that area of the market, not anyway else. Its not suppose to be your 6600GT bang for buck card. Its NVs flagship. The most powerful single card right now. This card is solely for those in the extreme high end market, because it has no real value amongst most of us mid range consumers/bang for buck people and such.

The extreme high end market is people who buy SLi, 7800GTX 512mb but its about 5% or even less of the total market. Hence the limited quantities because the market is small. Most people in that area of the market already owns a 7800GTX SLi setup hence another reason for its short supply.

But as many know it was out stock in the first day or so. I mean who would have guessed that there was many people willing to shell out 750ish dollars for the card. Heck there is some who spent on 2. I dont think anyone saw this coming, and i think NV mispredicted about such high demand for the card. Its not there fault too, for using 1.1ns rams because they knew there arent many people willing to shell out loads of money. But to our amazment and to NV, all the 512mbs were sold out practically.

As for availibility, its available as it was launched, its available here in New Zealand as the day of launch unlike the X1 series, the only problem is that it got sold out within launch. And how can you call that vaporware? did you expect not many people wouldve bought the card even at $799 just like i have?

The next shipping will bring more 7800GTX 512mb (roughly 10,000 according to INQ) so, i dont see why people are so annoyed about its availability. I mean, are you guys going to buy the cards? i mean who here is going to shell out 700 and up dollars for the 7800GTX 512mb? The availbility of the card should ONLY concern extreme high end enthusiasts who werent fast enough to buy one or two. And to most of them, theyre happy that they got the card straight away, that some got 2 for Sli straight away, and that the cards werent vaporware. To them money isnt a problem like uberhunter from NVnews, from xtremesystems, marcaddy etc.

You know what, ive never seen a high end card that costs 700 and up ALL sold out within the first day. Thats alot of cards sold 100 dollars over MSRP.

O and frackal. You have 7800GTX Sli setup. Your not going to get rid of them and buy the 512mbs ones are you?

Like someone said, unless I can go up to a bestbuy and purchase a 512 MB GTX, it is vaporware.