GTX 512 non-availability

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't have any problem with pushing someone's buttons

I believe that's called TROLLING.

Just stating my opinion.

LOL- at you.

What you just did is called "quoting out of context". Since you're apparently unfamiliar with the concept, let me explain:

Let's say I was a US soldier back from Iraq, where I had seen a lot of action. A reporter for the local paper asked me if it was difficult to take human life, even in a wartime situation.

I respond that as a soldier it's my job to do difficult things, and follow the orders of my commander. I go on to say in many situations, it was kill or be killed, and under those circumstances it was not difficult to take human life.

Then someone like you reads what I said and posts:

it was not difficult to take human life

In my book, that makes you a MURDERER! Just my opinion.

Your "opinion" is laughable, and antagonistic. Like I said, I have no problems with pushing someone's buttons who has just posted that I'm ignorant. (or trolling for that matter )

Take it how you like it, but consider this:

No one cares if Ackmed thinks I'm "ignorant" or you think I'm "trolling". Both of your comments are off topic, and the mark of a person unprepared for reasoned social discourse.

While we could de-rail this thread further and hurl some childish insults at each other, I think I'll let the forum decide who has a better point here and get back to discussing video cards. :laugh:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Like someone said, unless I can go up to a bestbuy and purchase a 512 MB GTX, it is vaporware.

LOL- makes sense to me. If every etailer in the world has three warehouses full of 100,000 each, but Best Buy has none, it's VAPORWARE!:roll:

Dude, you won't see a high end video card of ANY kind at the Madison, WI Best Buys. I was just telling my buddy the other day,"Remember when we could actually come here and see parts we might want to buy, instead of a bunch of low end JUNK?"

We're lucky to see a 7800GT on the shelves here- no X1800s, no GTXs. They must be VAPORWARE!

LOL

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: v8envy

Originally posted by: Tanclearas

My complaint is not that there aren't any cards! My complaint is that this was referred to as a hard launch when clearly it wasn't. Though not entirely a paper launch, it is a far cry from the successful launch of the 7800GTX/GT, and is more akin to the product launches of 2004.

Not really. NVidia estimated how many people would be loonball enough to cough up $700 for a product refresh mid cycle, contracted to make that many cards with their partners, and like everyone else got surprised when the initial run of cards FLEW off the shelves faster than the second batch of cards could be made.

Not being able to satisfy initial demand is a good thing. It means they aren't stuck with a giant inventory of parts they can't get rid of.

Expecting them to flood the market with 512 GTXes to the point where we value buyers can afford one is not the same thing as somewhat misjudging demand for the initial run of the card. (Thats because the card wasnt aiming for the value buyers in the first place which many people fail to realise)

I am pointing that out, and expressing my opinion in a forum of opinions, on-topic, for a thread someone else started. I'm sure you've done the same in here, and done your fair share of complaining about something, so cram it.

I think the real complaint is 'holy crap, that card is priced stupid, and the demand for a $700 card is sending the wrong message!' A perfectly valid viewpoint. Viewing this as a 'paper launch' or 'vaporware' is not. The product was there to be bought on the day the product was released. End of story.

Finally someone who understands my point. This was the point i was trying to make.

Edited

 

[gi0rgi0]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
I already posted about why the card is not available. Why carry on with this stupid nonsense, and flaming? This thread also makes no sense

"Is it me or are these cards utter vaporware after the first initial supply? Newegg has been out since the day after release...this was the biggest letdown from nvidia since I've been buying videocards in the last year. "

Frackal, i think you posted a flamebait thread. The only reason its not available is because it was ALL sold out. All sold out by extreme hardware enthusiasts. The extreme high end consumers. Now this card is targetting that area of the market, not anyway else. Its not suppose to be your 6600GT bang for buck card. Its NVs flagship. The most powerful single card right now. This card is solely for those in the extreme high end market, because it has no real value amongst most of us mid range consumers/bang for buck people and such.

The extreme high end market is people who buy SLi, 7800GTX 512mb but its about 5% or even less of the total market. Hence the limited quantities because the market is small. Most people in that area of the market already owns a 7800GTX SLi setup hence another reason for its short supply.

But as many know it was out stock in the first day or so. I mean who would have guessed that there was many people willing to shell out 750ish dollars for the card. Heck there is some who spent on 2. I dont think anyone saw this coming, and i think NV mispredicted about such high demand for the card. Its not there fault too, for using 1.1ns rams because they knew there arent many people willing to shell out loads of money. But to our amazment and to NV, all the 512mbs were sold out practically.

As for availibility, its available as it was launched, its available here in New Zealand as the day of launch unlike the X1 series, the only problem is that it got sold out within launch. And how can you call that vaporware? did you expect not many people wouldve bought the card even at $799 just like i have?

The next shipping will bring more 7800GTX 512mb (roughly 10,000 according to INQ) so, i dont see why people are so annoyed about its availability. I mean, are you guys going to buy the cards? i mean who here is going to shell out 700 and up dollars for the 7800GTX 512mb? The availbility of the card should ONLY concern extreme high end enthusiasts who werent fast enough to buy one or two. And to most of them, theyre happy that they got the card straight away, that some got 2 for Sli straight away, and that the cards werent vaporware. To them money isnt a problem like uberhunter from NVnews, from xtremesystems, marcaddy etc.

You know what, ive never seen a high end card that costs 700 and up ALL sold out within the first day. Thats alot of cards sold 100 dollars over MSRP.

O and frackal. You have 7800GTX Sli setup. Your not going to get rid of them and buy the 512mbs ones are you?

Like someone said, unless I can go up to a bestbuy and purchase a 512 MB GTX, it is vaporware.

Theyd probably sell it for twice as much those ****** cocks.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't have any problem with pushing someone's buttons

I believe that's called TROLLING.

Just stating my opinion.

Ouchies. :laugh:

+1 route66

Originally posted by: ZimZum

Originally posted by: n7
So i think i can sum this thread up:

nVidiots believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB isn't nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
FanATIcs believe the lack of availability of the 7800GTX 512 MB is nVidia's fault. Shocking :roll:
You know what i think? I think you're all ****** idiots :roll:

This forum has turned into one flaming joke...

QFT

Double QFT.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

Of course the cards were paper launched on Oct 5, so getting your product out a couple days early is a dubious "achievement".

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2616
OMG look, nVidia paper launched the 7800GS on november 22, WHERE ARE THE CARDS?

 

[CP5670]

Theyd probably sell it for twice as much those ****** cocks.

No the big retail chains generally charge MSRP, which tends to be lower than the internet price when the cards just come out. I got my 6800 GT from BB for the $400 MSRP at a time when the prices on the internet were a good $130 higher.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

Of course the cards were paper launched on Oct 5, so getting your product out a couple days early is a dubious "achievement".

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2616
OMG look, nVidia paper launched the 7800GS on november 22, WHERE ARE THE CARDS?

Are you a troll? paper launched? it hasnt even been anncouned offically to the public you ****. Notice how the title says "exclusive preview"? AT is simply saying that launch of these cards arent too far away, and did a bench on how well these cards perform.

 

[Ackmed]

That makes about as much sense as someone claiming that ATi "launched" the XT on Oct. 5th, they didnt. ATi didnt claim a Oct. 5th lauch, they set it for Nov. 5th. They told all the reviewers that. Then they not only met that date, but cards were sold before then.

But hey, thats coming from someone who bought a 5800U over a 9700 Pro and now claims that sound is so important.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

Of course the cards were paper launched on Oct 5, so getting your product out a couple days early is a dubious "achievement".

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2616
OMG look, nVidia paper launched the 7800GS on november 22, WHERE ARE THE CARDS?

Are you a troll? paper launched? it hasnt even been anncouned offically to the public you ****. Notice how the title says "exclusive preview"? AT is simply saying that launch of these cards arent too far away, and did a bench on how well these cards perform.

Linkgoron is the victim here Cookie.

He points people at an article where AT obtained an egineering sample of a board and says "Look paper launched!".

I'm guessing his reading skills might be lacking because if he could read, he would have seen the first line of AT's conclusion about the card:

Let us preface this conclusion with a reminder that we have not been briefed on this part by NVIDIA

or this piece of information:

We don't have absolute certainty that this part will even make it out the door

.

Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension to even understand something as straight forward as the article they are citing?

If Linkgoron lived near me, I'd offer to spend time with him trying to bring his reading comprehension up to the level of his writing. The schools he is attending are clearly not helping him.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
That makes about as much sense as someone claiming that ATi "launched" the XT on Oct. 5th, they didnt.

Ackmed, it looks like you could use a little help too, and I am here for you.

1. As noted in the above post to Cookie, and the article itself, the 7800GS has not been officially acknowledged by nVidia and may never see the market. There are engineering sample boards and drivers, but so far it's an inhouse project only.

2. The X1800XT is a paper launch:

What is a paper launch? In general, the phrase is used to denote product announcements that explicitly compare the "new product" with other actually available products, despite the fact that the newly announced product is not actually available to consumers.

Sound familiar? ATI gave the press samples of the X1800XT to review a month before product was available.

ATi didnt claim a Oct. 5th lauch, they set it for Nov. 5th. They told all the reviewers that. Then they not only met that date, but cards were sold before then.

It doesn't really matter though, because by definition all cards given to the press but not available for purchase are paper launched. You apparently have your own definition of paper launch, where the offending company gets a pass if they tell us when they think the cards will make it to market. The problem with your "logic" is that the companies ALWAYS tell us when paper launched products should be available, so this was no different than any of their other paper launches.....ooops.
I forgot with SOME of ATIs paper launches the products don't make the expected release date (e.g. Crossfire paper launched 3X) and others never make it to market. (e.g. the X700XT). So you're right about one thing, this ATI paper launch went relatively well compared to many of their paper launches. :laugh:

But hey, thats coming from someone who bought a 5800U over a 9700 Pro and now claims that sound is so important.

LOL
A. I never "bought" a 5800U, I traded my 9700Pro for it, used it for two months to try it out, then sold it for $25 less than I could have got for the 9700Pro. ($25 might seem like a lot to you to just try out a card for a few weeks, but to me $25 is change)
B. I never said sound was a key factor to me, in fact I've often stated the opposite. I only point out the X1800XTs dustbusting whine because many people are more sensitive to noise than me, and I want to help them.

Anyway, if you're unclear on any of the above, feel free to email or PM me, I want to help you understand. I am your friend! :beer:

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: route66

Originally posted by: Rollo
I don't have any problem with pushing someone's buttons

I believe that's called TROLLING.

Just stating my opinion.

so the guy responds with 4 paragraphs, and you take a single sentence out (making it difficult for others to see the context in which it was stated) and call him on that?

isn't that trolling, at least according to your standards?

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
thnx for the read tanclearass,..

you werent promised a 512mb7800gtx for your precious little self,.....they said there would be some,..there was,...people got em,..you didnt,...wait for a restock,..or go buy an x1800xt if you feel youve been so wronged,....whats so questionable about that?,..its pretty clear to me

you need rollo to give you a hug er somethin and tell you everythings gonna be ok?,..hahaha

My complaint is not that there aren't any cards! My complaint is that this was referred to as a hard launch when clearly it wasn't. Though not entirely a paper launch, it is a far cry from the successful launch of the 7800GTX/GT, and is more akin to the product launches of 2004.

I am pointing that out, and expressing my opinion in a forum of opinions, on-topic, for a thread someone else started. I'm sure you've done the same in here, and done your fair share of complaining about something, so cram it.

so do you think the xbox 360 wasn't a "hard" launch either?

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

They told us that it wouldnt be avail till Nov. 5th. They not only kept that date, but there were actually cards out before that date.

Of course the cards were paper launched on Oct 5, so getting your product out a couple days early is a dubious "achievement".

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2616
OMG look, nVidia paper launched the 7800GS on november 22, WHERE ARE THE CARDS?

Are you a troll? paper launched? it hasnt even been anncouned offically to the public you ****. Notice how the title says "exclusive preview"? AT is simply saying that launch of these cards arent too far away, and did a bench on how well these cards perform.

Linkgoron is the victim here Cookie.

He points people at an article where AT obtained an egineering sample of a board and says "Look paper launched!".

I'm guessing his reading skills might be lacking because if he could read, he would have seen the first line of AT's conclusion about the card:

Let us preface this conclusion with a reminder that we have not been briefed on this part by NVIDIA

or this piece of information:

We don't have absolute certainty that this part will even make it out the door

.

Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension to even understand something as straight forward as the article they are citing?

If Linkgoron lived near me, I'd offer to spend time with him trying to bring his reading comprehension up to the level of his writing. The schools he is attending are clearly not helping him.

first, thank god my reading comprehension is better than my level of writing. 2nd, I was joking, what I meant to say was that benchmarked doesn't mean "launched", and ATi didn't launch the X1800XT when AT benchmarked the card, but nov. 5th. As stated in the article (where's YOUR reading comprehension?).

BTW, are you saying the AMD paper launched the X2 chips when they let AT (and maybe other sites, I don't remember) benchmark it a month (I think) or more before they were actually released? No, it's the same with ATi. They didn't paper launch it, oh and thank's for your pity.

Are you a troll? paper launched? it hasnt even been anncouned offically to the public you ****. Notice how the title says "exclusive preview"? AT is simply saying that launch of these cards arent too far away, and did a bench on how well these cards perform.

I thought that the OMG at the start of the sentence would make people understand that I wasn't serius. Sorry if I wasn't too clear with that, next time I'll add eyes or something to make it clearer.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
2nd, I was joking, what I meant to say was that benchmarked doesn't mean "launched", and ATi didn't launch the X1800XT when AT benchmarked the card, but nov. 5th. As stated in the article (where's YOUR reading comprehension?).

My reading comprehension is fine. I know the difference between AT getting an engineering sample from some guy who emailed them that he had one, and ATI giving products to the press with review guides?

BTW, are you saying the AMD paper launched the X2 chips when they let AT (and maybe other sites, I don't remember) benchmark it a month (I think) or more before they were actually released?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

No, it's the same with ATi.

Yes it is, and that's why I said it.

They didn't paper launch it, oh and thank's for your pity.

Yes, they paper launched on Oct.5 and only exceeded expectations on their anticipated hard launch date. Did you see the definition of "paper launch" I posted? How is this any different than last year when they gave out X800XT PE and 6800U samples weeks before retail? nVidia learned from that, ATI just got worse.

I thought that the OMG at the start of the sentence would make people understand that I wasn't serius. Sorry if I wasn't too clear with that, next time I'll add eyes or something to make it clearer.

It wasn't very clear.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
The X1800XT is a paper launch:

What is a paper launch? In general, the phrase is used to denote product announcements that explicitly compare the "new product" with other actually available products, despite the fact that the newly announced product is not actually available to consumers.

Sound familiar? ATI gave the press samples of the X1800XT to review a month before product was available.

ATi didnt claim a Oct. 5th lauch, they set it for Nov. 5th. They told all the reviewers that. Then they not only met that date, but cards were sold before then.

It doesn't really matter though, because by definition all cards given to the press but not available for purchase are paper launched. You apparently have your own definition of paper launch, where the offending company gets a pass if they tell us when they think the cards will make it to market. The problem with your "logic" is that the companies ALWAYS tell us when paper launched products should be available, so this was no different than any of their other paper launches.....ooops.

Anyway, if you're unclear on any of the above, feel free to email or PM me, I want to help you understand. I am your friend! :beer:

You seem to be confused on what a paper launch is Rollo. Here, let me help you out so that you won't make the same mistake again.

A "paper launch" is used to describe a product that is completely unavailable to consumers on the date set by the manufacturer. Until that date is set, any hardware given to reviewers is simply a "preview". That is why the word "launch" is used. It is used to denote that the product will be available.

Hard launch - Product is publicly available on the official release date.
Paper launch - Product is publicly unavailable on the official release date.

If you need any other clarification, please feel free to let me know. I'd be more than happy to help you understand computer hardware/definitions better.

:beer:

 

[fierydemise]

Creig I'd slightly change your definition of hard launch and paper launch,
Hard launch- Product is available on release date and continues to be available
Paper launch- Product is unavailable for at least a week after release date
There is a fair amount of gray area in there, products that are available on release date but sell out first day (7800GTX 512MB) or a product that isn't available on release day but a few days after (X1800XL)

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Stop masturbating over semantics.

Paper/Hard, who cares. They are available, albeit in limited quantities and for stupid prices. I suspect this is the way it's going to be from now on in the high end market for both companies.

 

[Creig]

I would still have to say that the definitions are correct. As long as the product is available on (or before) the day the manufacturer says it will, it can be considered to be hard launched. Hard/paper launch only refers to the actual launch date of the product. Anything after that would be a supply issue, but would no longer reflect on the official launch.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension

Another personal attack coming from the guy who (supposedly) never resorts to it.



Hypocricy ... meh.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
I would still have to say that the definitions are correct. As long as the product is available on (or before) the day the manufacturer says it will, it can be considered to be hard launched. Hard/paper launch only refers to the actual launch date of the product. Anything after that would be a supply issue, but would no longer reflect on the official launch.

Why should we believe your definition over arstechnica's definition? They are a trusted review site?

Are you disagreeing that many here considered the launch of the 6800U and X800XT PE paper launches last year because the cards were given to reviewers long before retail availability? And that they were pretty scarce at first even when they did arrive? Like the X1800XT?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension

Another personal attack coming from the guy who (supposedly) never resorts to it.



Hypocricy ... meh.

I don't usually respond to you Dingo, but it saddens me to see you mistake my compassion for another members apparent lack of understanding, and offer to help, as an attack of some sort.

The world would be a better place if some learned that the time they spend criticizing others would be better spent helping others.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Creig
I would still have to say that the definitions are correct. As long as the product is available on (or before) the day the manufacturer says it will, it can be considered to be hard launched. Hard/paper launch only refers to the actual launch date of the product. Anything after that would be a supply issue, but would no longer reflect on the official launch.

so the x1800xl was a paper launch? i didn't see it that way....

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension

Another personal attack coming from the guy who (supposedly) never resorts to it.



Hypocricy ... meh.

I don't usually respond to you Dingo, but it saddens me to see you mistake my compassion for another members apparent lack of understanding, and offer to help, as an attack of some sort.

The world would be a better place if some learned that the time they spend criticizing others would be better spent helping others.

offer to help. lol.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: Rollo
Linkgoron is to be pitied. What else can you do when a person who can apparently write lacks the reading comprehension

Another personal attack coming from the guy who (supposedly) never resorts to it.



Hypocricy ... meh.

I don't usually respond to you Dingo, but it saddens me to see you mistake my compassion for another members apparent lack of understanding, and offer to help, as an attack of some sort.

The world would be a better place if some learned that the time they spend criticizing others would be better spent helping others.

It was a 'punch with the towel' kind of attack, you tried to hide it with your realization that he was in need of help.

Sort of like if some one said: "Rollo, you need some help. You dont really a have life inspite of you asserting us all. If you accept, I would like to help you out."