GTX 512 non-availability

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

LOL!!!! 3rd party technology that was part of the CORE!!!! Hehe. Perhaps they DID know it would be in short supply. But perhaps they also know that this will change soon enough. You spin it the way you wish brudda. No skin off my nose. Off to play some CoD2.
Cheers.

 

[rise]

jeesh, before it waqs even launched nvidia said it would be very limited supply. wtf is the problem?

they chose that memory, despite its limited availability, because it would make it such an incredible card.

sounds like a bunch of "want my cakers" to me.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: rise4310
jeesh, before it waqs even launched nvidia said it would be very limited supply. wtf is the problem?

they chose that memory, despite its limited availability, because it would make it such an incredible card.

sounds like a bunch of "want my cakers" to me.

Where did nVidia claim it would be limited supply, the only place I saw that was in the inq which doesn't constitute an announcement.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Tanclearas, put it this way... At least you could buy one on launch day, you'll never be able to say that about the X1800XT.

WTF you're talking about? You could buy an XT at launch, and get this: you can even buy one now! LOL.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Exsomnis
Tanclearas, put it this way... At least you could buy one on launch day, you'll never be able to say that about the X1800XT.

WTF you're talking about? You could buy an XT at launch, and get this: you can even buy one now! LOL.

Do you mean on the day they said it would be available, a month after their paper launch Munky?

I suppose nVidia could have pulled some BS like that, but I think the 1000s who got 512 GTXs on launch and since wouldn't have liked that as much.

Only ATI is doing paper launches these days- their products are always behind, so all they can do is promise and spin.

 

[CorCentral]

Well hopefully EVGA has a 512mb 7800GTX in stock by Feb 5th 2006, because I plan on stepping up by then and that's when my 90 days ends.

Paid $459. at NewEgg for my 7800gtx. If I'm lucky, the price of the 512mb version will drop in that time and I won't have to pay a huge difference. I'm hoping for no more than a $150. diff.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

LOL!!!! 3rd party technology that was part of the CORE!!!!

i cant express how much i laughed when i read that

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

LOL!!!! 3rd party technology that was part of the CORE!!!! Hehe. Perhaps they DID know it would be in short supply. But perhaps they also know that this will change soon enough. You spin it the way you wish brudda. No skin off my nose. Off to play some CoD2.
Cheers.

A gate, a memory module...what's the difference?

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: lopri
Honestly the situation isn't too terrible for me. I bought 2 GTX 512s on launch day, and thanks to its less-than-stellar availability the regular GTX price hasn't really come down much. I still have one more GTX (256) and hope the price of GTX 512s doesn't come down until I sell it.

HEY!,..do me a favor quick,...instal 1 256mb 7800gtx and 1 512mb 7800gtx and sli em together and play around a bit with em,run a few games...and tell me your experience with em and how it is,.and if with th ecurrent driver 81.95 if it worx at the time being..i need to know,..lol

id appreciate it if you could do that ...please?

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: rise4310
jeesh, before it waqs even launched nvidia said it would be very limited supply. wtf is the problem?

they chose that memory, despite its limited availability, because it would make it such an incredible card.

sounds like a bunch of "want my cakers" to me.

Where did nVidia claim it would be limited supply, the only place I saw that was in the inq which doesn't constitute an announcement.

maybe i did hear it from the inq but i thought i had seen an actual quote from a nv guy. of course i've been wrong before. once.

while searching, i found this to be kind of an interesting read, even though it refutes my ddr3 availability point. some of you (or all) may have seen it and its certainly no great revelation but interesting none the less.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

that is an interesting read,..wasnt anything that wasnt already known,..well by most of us anyway:roll:..lol,..thnx for sharin it nontheless

but yeah itll be interesting to see if nvidia holds the launch style next gen as well,...if so color me impressed again,..if not ,..eh i enjoyed what it was like for 1 year at least,..lol

i do have to say as much as it was known that 7800gtx was low balled to force ati's hand ,...i dont like the fact that there was suppose to be ,..7800gtx,..and 7800ultra all in the same launch but they held it like was said ,.to force ati's hand,...rest we know,..512 came out and ati said "heeeeey!,..wtf is this crap?!",..and i said "heeeey why tf wasnt that out for me to buy back then?!",..lol

 

[RobertR1]

The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

The 7800GTX 512 availability is pitiful thus the price gouging. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. At the end of the day, it's Nvidia's card. I don't remember people saying "it's not Ati's fault for the delay of the R520" why would this be any different??? Nvidia could have stock up on the cards for a few weeks more and then released them is mass quantities but their sole purpose was to beat the x1800xt, thus it was rushed to the market. This card is not any different from the x800xt pe or the 6800ultra, initial supply and then slowly trickling in a few at a time. Atleast I was able to find 3 x800xt PE at MSRP......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 and then complaining that we'll soon see $1000 video cards. When Ati and nvidia see that people can't get enough of $700+ video cards there is absolutely no reason why they won't hike the price on their next flagship cards.

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 .

ummmm,..wtf are you talking about?...you just used saying your gettin a 7800gtx 512 as an excuse to not be called a fanboy cuz you knew you were being a fanboy is how it looks,...im not insulting you ...im just sayin thats how it looks,..lol

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Rollo no one here is saying nVidia should have used slower memory, they're just saying that the lack of availability of the 512 MB GTX can't be blamed on Samsung because nVidia chose to use the fast memory to make the card faster.

Nothing against you man, but do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
That's like having a silicon shortage and blaming Intel,AMD,ATI,NV, the entire semiconductor business, for being stupid enough to base their semiconductors on silicon.
How dare they.

Yeah ok. Don't blame Samsung for not producing enough of this memory, but blame nvidia for choosing to use it. I'll be right back, I have to go laugh for a while. :laugh:

 

[Tanclearas]

I agree that regardless of whether it's ATI or Nvidia blaming a third party for failing to ship cards is irrelevant. Memory issues or core issues is irrelevant. They spec'd a card they couldn't deliver. That is their fault. Moreso, it was irresponsible to call this a "hard launch".

keys, that is the weakest analogy I think I've ever heard. Comparing silicon (extremely common substance that everyone knows is common) to a part that Nvidia knew was in tight supply? Yeah. Good one.

I am in evga's step-up program, and they only held twenty cards for that program. I am in a queue, and have been told it could be several weeks before I'm up.

I am trying to stay on-topic here, discussing the issue of availability of Nvidia's current top card. I'm sorry you feel you have to go on the defensive to protect your precious Messiah Nvidia Rollo, but you have attacked (enthusiastically, I might add) ATI for pulling this exact stunt! Now that Nvidia does it, you are defending them. Once again, the fact that anyone actually respects your opinion on these boards is beyond me. You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

You have gall to say that my pointing out that Nvidia was being dishonest is "trolling"? You practically make that accusation against ATI every day. :roll:

I am happy with my 7800GTX, and don't plan on changing to the X1800XT. When did I ever state that? I simply commented that the X1800XT is available right now. I purchased an evga card and am in the step-up program. For some reason, you are trying to say I have no right to be upset that I might have to wait a couple of months to actually get a product that was supposedly "hard launched".

As to why I'm looking for the 7800GTX 512MB when I already have a 7800GTX, I was within the 90 day period (was on day 86) for the step-up program, and I'm looking at less than $200 to upgrade (based upon the price I paid for my 7800GTX). Considering it looks like I'll get COD2 thrown in for that price, it seems like a good deal to me.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 .

ummmm,..wtf are you talking about?...you just used saying your gettin a 7800gtx 512 as an excuse to not be called a fanboy cuz you knew you were being a fanboy is how it looks,...im not insulting you ...im just sayin thats how it looks,..lol

What? You want to see a receipt???? I'm being a fanboy by pointing out that the 7800GTX 512 is nothing like the availability of the 7800GTX 256MB or sadly enough, even the x1800xt?

 

[OSUBeaver]

Product sold out a day after it was launched? So does that mean the Xbox 360 was a paper launch too and is utter vaporware? Looks like the Ferrari F430 was a paper launch too cause there is over a 1 year wait for that. What makes you so special that any product you want should be available the minute it comes out? You're just mad cause some other guy is playing COD2 10 fps faster than you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

The 7800GTX 512 availability is pitiful thus the price gouging. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. At the end of the day, it's Nvidia's card. I don't remember people saying "it's not Ati's fault for the delay of the R520" why would this be any different??? Nvidia could have stock up on the cards for a few weeks more and then released them is mass quantities but their sole purpose was to beat the x1800xt, thus it was rushed to the market. This card is not any different from the x800xt pe or the 6800ultra, initial supply and then slowly trickling in a few at a time. Atleast I was able to find 3 x800xt PE at MSRP......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 and then complaining that we'll soon see $1000 video cards. When Ati and nvidia see that people can't get enough of $700+ video cards there is absolutely no reason why they won't hike the price on their next flagship cards.

hehe, you want to see morons? Just check out any XBox360 auctions on Ebay and you will learn the true meaning of the word "moron". I saw one auction a few days ago. Xb0x360, 2 controllers, wireless adapter, and 5 titles. There were, at the time I saw it, 56 bids and the price was up to just under $2600.00.

EDIT: With plenty of time left on the auction!!!

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: fierydemise
Rollo no one here is saying nVidia should have used slower memory, they're just saying that the lack of availability of the 512 MB GTX can't be blamed on Samsung because nVidia chose to use the fast memory to make the card faster.

Nothing against you man, but do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
That's like having a silicon shortage and blaming Intel,AMD,ATI,NV, the entire semiconductor business, for being stupid enough to base their semiconductors on silicon.
How dare they.

Yeah ok. Don't blame Samsung for not producing enough of this memory, but blame nvidia for choosing to use it. I'll be right back, I have to go laugh for a while. :laugh:

Why shouldn't nVidia be blamed for limited availability? They arn't delivering, thats the issue it doesn't matter whose fault it is all that matters is that the card isn't available and those that are are exorbitantly expensive ($700+).

nVidia knew that the fast memory would be in short supply but went with it with it anyway to make the 512MB GTX even faster. This is no different then ATI's Phantom Edition cards, which are maligned daily, the 512MB GTX should get the same treatment no matter how fast it is.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: OSUBeaver
Product sold out a day after it was launched? So does that mean the Xbox 360 was a paper launch too and is utter vaporware? Looks like the Ferrari F430 was a paper launch too cause there is over a 1 year wait for that. What makes you so special that any product you want should be available the minute it comes out? You're just mad cause some other guy is playing COD2 10 fps faster than you.

Compare a $170k car to a $700 video card? Good thinking batman! I'm sure the 7800GTX 512 is assembled by hand just like the F430. I doubt Nvidia is a small shop that only caters to a very small niche of buyers which is what you're implying then comparing the two.

Where did I say paper launch (as in product doesn't even exist for public purchase)? I said availability sucks and it trickles in slowly thus giving retailers incentive to maintain inflated prices. Which part of that are you arguing against? I have a xbox 360 and got it for MSRP through a retail chain. Most can't say that about their 7800GTX 512 which is a shame. You sound much more "mad" than I could ever be about a video card. I don't play Cod2

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

The 7800GTX 512 availability is pitiful thus the price gouging. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. At the end of the day, it's Nvidia's card. I don't remember people saying "it's not Ati's fault for the delay of the R520" why would this be any different??? Nvidia could have stock up on the cards for a few weeks more and then released them is mass quantities but their sole purpose was to beat the x1800xt, thus it was rushed to the market. This card is not any different from the x800xt pe or the 6800ultra, initial supply and then slowly trickling in a few at a time. Atleast I was able to find 3 x800xt PE at MSRP......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 and then complaining that we'll soon see $1000 video cards. When Ati and nvidia see that people can't get enough of $700+ video cards there is absolutely no reason why they won't hike the price on their next flagship cards.

hehe, you want to see morons? Just check out any XBox360 auctions on Ebay and you will learn the true meaning of the word "moron". I saw one auction a few days ago. Xb0x360, 2 controllers, wireless adapter, and 5 titles. There were, at the time I saw it, 56 bids and the price was up to just under $2600.00.

EDIT: With plenty of time left on the auction!!!

Ebay is a haven for idiots. You think that's bad? I've seen people pay upwards of $10k just to get an early car allocation spot from someone else. 10k just to get a better spot in the line. Now THAT is amazing!

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Ebay is a haven for idiots. You think that's bad? I've seen people pay upwards of $10k just to get an early car allocation spot from someone else. 10k just to get a better spot in the line. Now THAT is amazing!

You can find some great deals on ebay, sure alot of stuff is moronic but every now and then you come across a gem of deal.
Sorry for the OT

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas
I agree that regardless of whether it's ATI or Nvidia blaming a third party for failing to ship cards is irrelevant. Memory issues or core issues is irrelevant. They spec'd a card they couldn't deliver. That is their fault. Moreso, it was irresponsible to call this a "hard launch".

keys, that is the weakest analogy I think I've ever heard. Comparing silicon (extremely common substance that everyone knows is common) to a part that Nvidia knew was in tight supply? Yeah. Good one.

I am in evga's step-up program, and they only held twenty cards for that program. I am in a queue, and have been told it could be several weeks before I'm up.

I am trying to stay on-topic here, discussing the issue of availability of Nvidia's current top card. I'm sorry you feel you have to go on the defensive to protect your precious Messiah Nvidia Rollo, but you have attacked (enthusiastically, I might add) ATI for pulling this exact stunt! Now that Nvidia does it, you are defending them. Once again, the fact that anyone actually respects your opinion on these boards is beyond me. You are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

You have gall to say that my pointing out that Nvidia was being dishonest is "trolling"? You practically make that accusation against ATI every day. :roll:

I am happy with my 7800GTX, and don't plan on changing to the X1800XT. When did I ever state that? I simply commented that the X1800XT is available right now. I purchased an evga card and am in the step-up program. For some reason, you are trying to say I have no right to be upset that I might have to wait a couple of months to actually get a product that was supposedly "hard launched".

As to why I'm looking for the 7800GTX 512MB when I already have a 7800GTX, I was within the 90 day period (was on day 86) for the step-up program, and I'm looking at less than $200 to upgrade (based upon the price I paid for my 7800GTX). Considering it looks like I'll get COD2 thrown in for that price, it seems like a good deal to me.

Eh? And what, pray tell, are GDDR3 memory modules made of? Kryptonite? No. They are made with silicon, the extremely common substance that everyone knows is common.
Why couldn't it be that Samsung promised NV more chips than they are actually delivering? So Nv had 4000 GTX512's at launch, and they all sold. There will be more as Samsung gets crackin on those memory modules.

How is this analogy. You order a PC from Dell, and order the latest and best offerings they have. Including a state of the art 26" LCD widescreen (just an example). You pay for next day shipping, but receive word that because of your screen option, your shipment may be delayed due to availablility of the option. Is it Dells fault for offering this screen without having enough for everybody on demand? Or is it Samsung AGAIN who provides Dell with these screens at a trickle rate.

Give em a chance for christ sake. Samsung will ramp up the production and you will have your GTX512. Call it a hard launch, soft launch, chewy with crunchy center launch, I don't really care what you call it.

Quote from Tanclearas: "I am trying to stay on-topic here, discussing the issue of availability of Nvidia's current top card. I'm sorry you feel you have to go on the defensive to protect your precious Messiah Nvidia Rollo, but you have attacked (enthusiastically, I might add) ATI for pulling this exact stunt! Now that Nvidia does it, you are defending them. Once again, the fact that anyone actually respects your opinion on these boards is beyond me. You are a hypocrite, plain and simple."

1. ATI launched X1800XL & X1800XT. Had availability about 5-6 days after this launch for the XL. And nothing for another month for the XT.

2. Nvidia launched the 7800GTX. Had availability on launch day and vendors even started leaking/gouging the consumer 2 days prior to launch.

3. So tell me. How is this the exact same stunt that you mentioned?

EDITed #4 out. It wasn't nice.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: OSUBeaver
Product sold out a day after it was launched? So does that mean the Xbox 360 was a paper launch too and is utter vaporware? Looks like the Ferrari F430 was a paper launch too cause there is over a 1 year wait for that. What makes you so special that any product you want should be available the minute it comes out? You're just mad cause some other guy is playing COD2 10 fps faster than you.

Compare a $170k car to a $700 video card? Good thinking batman! I'm sure the 7800GTX 512 is assembled by hand just like the F430. I doubt Nvidia is a small shop that only caters to a very small niche of buyers which is what you're implying then comparing the two.

Where did I say paper launch (as in product doesn't even exist for public purchase)? I said availability sucks and it trickles in slowly thus giving retailers incentive to maintain inflated prices. Which part of that are you arguing against? I have a xbox 360 and got it for MSRP through a retail chain. Most can't say that about their 7800GTX 512 which is a shame. You sound much more "mad" than I could ever be about a video card. I don't play Cod2

I dont really understand this thread. Thats because the 7800GTX 512mb was available, EVEN in New Zealand unlike the X1 series cards, at the day of its launch. However is it hard to understand that near ALL these cards got sold out hence the no availability? There are many out there willing to buy 2 of those beasts. I dont think even NV knew people were mad for this card. (I wouldnt surprised how happy NV's partners are, due to the amount of profit they are going to gain from the 7800GTX 512mb)

I mean are you going to buy this card? For the extreme high end people it was defitnitely a hard launch because they got the card straight away. The card is pretty much targeting the extreme high end enthustiasts and it did its job 110% better than NV/many people wouldve thought, because it sold like mad, and now its out of stock.(Well with the exception of the people who got it BEFORE the launch). Plus the extreme high end market is like what 5%?

I dont see why you would be pissed off at the availablity. Its not like the 7800GTX 512mb cards are mainstream. I mean it would be nice to have loads of these cards for maybe 200ish dollars but thats a little bit too much of wishful thinking for one day.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: RobertR1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The more Rollo posts, the less "fair and balanced" he seems to becomes. Soon he'll be the SSXeon of anandtech for nvidia.

The 7800GTX 512 availability is pitiful thus the price gouging. Doesn't matter who's fault it is. At the end of the day, it's Nvidia's card. I don't remember people saying "it's not Ati's fault for the delay of the R520" why would this be any different??? Nvidia could have stock up on the cards for a few weeks more and then released them is mass quantities but their sole purpose was to beat the x1800xt, thus it was rushed to the market. This card is not any different from the x800xt pe or the 6800ultra, initial supply and then slowly trickling in a few at a time. Atleast I was able to find 3 x800xt PE at MSRP......For the record, I have a 7800GTX 512MB on order for MSRP so please leave the fanboy comments at the door.

At the street price of 700+ it's really not that great of a value, that's to say if you can even find one. Then you have morons paying upwards of $750 and then complaining that we'll soon see $1000 video cards. When Ati and nvidia see that people can't get enough of $700+ video cards there is absolutely no reason why they won't hike the price on their next flagship cards.

hehe, you want to see morons? Just check out any XBox360 auctions on Ebay and you will learn the true meaning of the word "moron". I saw one auction a few days ago. Xb0x360, 2 controllers, wireless adapter, and 5 titles. There were, at the time I saw it, 56 bids and the price was up to just under $2600.00.

EDIT: With plenty of time left on the auction!!!

Ebay is a haven for idiots. You think that's bad? I've seen people pay upwards of $10k just to get an early car allocation spot from someone else. 10k just to get a better spot in the line. Now THAT is amazing!

Yeah, that's pretty dern amazing alright.