Maybe to you it is invalid but the major difference to me, and my point is both AMD and nVidia are simply charging more!
What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.
What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.
http://techreport.com/review/25611/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-graphics-card-reviewed/12Ok, it's time to boil down our test results to one of our famous value scatter plots. As always, the best combinations of price and performance will be situated closer to the top left corner of the plot, and the less attractive ones will be closer to the bottom right.
Click back and forth between the plots, and you'll see that the GeForce GTX 780 Ti wins the FPS performance sweeps by a nice margin over the Radeon R9 290X. In the 99th percentile frame times, the 780 Ti lands above the R9 290X but below the 290X in its noisy uber fan mode. The application-level issues we saw in Guild Wars 2 hurt the GTX 780 Ti there, perhaps unfairly. Some of the other games appear to be up against CPU performance limitations with the very fastest cards, as well. We're talking about very small differences in the delivery of the last 1% of frames rendered, but still, credit AMD's driver team for making some nice strides in smooth frame delivery.
Based on the totality of our results, I'd say the GeForce GTX 780 Ti has returned the single-GPU performance crown to the green team's trophy case in a controversial split decision. Perhaps more importantly, the GTX 780 Ti achieves these performance levels while running at much lower temperatures and noise levels than the R9 290X. This truly is the finest single-GPU graphics card on the market, and it's a very attractive overall package. If you buy your video cards based on bragging rights rather than value proposition, then the GTX 780 Ti is the card to beat. You can even make a value case for it over the $150-cheaper R9 290X if you factor in the bundled games, Shield discount, and quieter operation.
For most folks, though, forking over 700 bucks for the GTX 780 Ti will seem like madness when the Radeon R9 290 offers 90% of the performance for $300 less. Yeah, the Radeon is noisier, but I'm pretty sure $300 will buy a lifetime supply of those foam earplugs at Walgreens. Heck, throw in another hundred bucks, and you could have dual R9 290s, which should presumably outperform the GTX 780 Ti handily.
Fine, AMD is charging more for R9 290 but that doesn't change the conclusion that NV is charging even more, far worse than previous generations
Nothing has really changed -- around 30 percent more for nVidia's full core flag ship sku's over AMD's.
12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa - default GTX 580 over default HD 6970:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/test-amd-radeon-hd-6970-und-hd-6950/26/
12 percent performance difference at 1600p and x4 aa -- default GTX 780ti over default HD 290x:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...geforce-gtx-780-ti-gegen-gtx-titan-im-test/4/
The HD 6970 had more ram over the reference GTX 580 as the HD 290x has over the GTX 780ti.
The difference is AMD and nVidia are charging more!
russiansensation said:The computerbase benches you linked are also showing 780Ti (Max). That's not out of the box performance.
That 12% is 7%,
The uber setting isn't default and out-of-box!
It doesn't matter. It's 100% supported, it's not an overclock or anything like that. The only people who care support NV and feel it's not showing team green in the best light.
Why do you always deflect the point being discussed and try to side-step it? Of course R9 290 costs more than AMD's 4850/5850/6950. The die sizes were small, wafers cost less than 28nm and R9 290 is just 3-4% behind R9 290X flagship. This is not the case for AMD's other generations for 2nd best single GPU cards where the performance difference was much more.
Fine, AMD is charging more for R9 290 but that doesn't change the conclusion that NV is charging even more, far worse than previous generations and far worse than AMD priced 7970 with its 20-25% advantage over 580. You complained about 7970 many times but I do not see you moaning about 780Ti's high price. Why not?
http://techreport.com/review/25611/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-graphics-card-reviewed/12
When could you buy two second best single GPUs from AMD for just $100 more and mop the floor with NV's flagship? HD6950 unlocked CF for $600 vs. 580 for $500. This is a repeat of that only the prices are now $700 vs. $800 and 780Ti is not as as fast vs. R9 290 as 580 was vs. a stock 6950. 780Ti does not have any magical tessellation advantage that hurts R9 290.
Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.
More that that's what you and nvidia want people to believe. This is hardware forum where we discuss the merits of the products objectively and thoroughly, price being one of them. Go to geforce.com if you want to parrot market speak.Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.
Why do you always moan at the price, its been said before that many people view NV as a superior product, performance, design, features and stability out of the box.
Truth is, price is the only thing AMD can beat NV on, and only because the later chooses.
It doesn't look "superior" in that chart.
What I want people to believe?...LOL, where do you get that [accusation] from...Im no shareholder or shill, just a fan, and sales figures confirm NV perceived superior product.More that that's what you and nvidia want people to believe. This is hardware forum where we discuss the merits of the products objectively and thoroughly, price being one of them. Go to geforce.com if you want to parrot market speak.
Price point is the only thing AMD has on NV, they have to sell cheaper to get the sale period, IMO
Wishfull thoughts , TR graph put the 290X above the 780ti
performance wise , and dont come with bias claims , their
metric has always favoured Nvidia until Hawai...
If you prefer fps , get a look at HFR mean of 15 games
over 3 res.
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/912-22/recapitulatif-performances.html
Actualy the only way the 780ti can outmatch
the 290X is to run the latter in quiet mode......
Have you seen this, at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OHKWMgBhvA
Oh hey, it's 1 out 5000000 review websites that shows the 290X above the 780ti. Who are these clowns at hardware.fr trying to kid here? 100% fanspeed 290X eh? I guess i'll have to add hardware.fr to my "joke website" list.