GTX 780 Ti reviews

[3DVagabond]

What FPS is that graph measuring? TI, titan and 780 should not be that low.

It's Measuring 99th percentile frame rates. It's frame times. It's supposed to be more important/accurate than raw FPS at showing the actual game play experience. It shows that Hawaii is "smoother" than the GK 110 cards.

This is just fps/$ not taking the frame times into account.
There's a typo on the chart "290 uber" should be "290X uber"

Even in raw fps the results don't change, AMD wins the perf/$ across the board with comparable products.

 

[blackened23]

Still trying to throw innaccuracies to discredit them.???.

Where is it said it s 100% fanspeed for radeons..??.

The only 100% fanspeed is for the GTX780ti in what they
call uber mode since they blow air on the card such that
it doesnt throttle , notice that it s only for the gforce ,
the radeon in uber mode is tested according to their standard,
that is , without this extra blower......

So much for your analysis of their set ups..

So what are you doing in the 780ti thread anyway to extol the virtues of the 290X? Just so you know, and i'm almost certain that you've never personally used a Kepler GPU - but throttling is pretty much a non issue with the Kepler. The most i've personally seen any Kepler GPU throttle was by 26mhz, and that was in crysis 3 maxed out with vsync turned off after several hours of gameplay. Oh yeah, auto fan. Now, admittedly, this is with the GTX 780 - I don't know what differences the additional power circuitry on the 780ti does. Meanwhile, you have the 290X throttling by 300+ Mhz for using a quiet fan profile and then you have retail purchased boards throttling even more than AMD's press boards.

I dunno. If anyone buys a 290X from retail I sure hope they win the lottery and get an actual good card. Kepler is consistent in performance, 290X isn't, depending on the retail purchase lottery. There are tests showing wide variances EVEN WITH the new AMD driver between retail purchased cards. And that's ignoring the entire noise = performance issue with the 290X which DOESN'T exist with the 780ti.

The 780ti is just a better card. Maybe it isn't worth 700$, but anyone buying a 500$+ GPU should just get the best and that aint the 290X. At least, not until AMD releases a "B" revision of the card with the trade-offs addressed, or maybe AMD will just want AIB makers to pick up their slack? I don't know. Wait, are you guys...OFF TOPIC? THREAD DERAILING?? Maybe you guys should go to the 290X review thread. Just a thought. I seem to be in the 780ti review thread here where the purpose isn't to extol the virtues of the 290X.

 

[Abwx]

but throttling is pretty much a non issue with the Kepler.

Assuming the air extraction is efficient , i noticed on another
thread that Nvidia coolers are not closed , they blow air inside
the case hence requiring the extracting fan to spin faster.

 

[blackened23]

The factory overclocked 780ti's are almost here, and some have been benchmarked:

15% faster at out of the box than the reference 780ti and all of them are faster than the GTX 690 and 7990. I'm sure they can go even higher. Impressive. And the best is yet to come, since MSI is making a 780ti lightning - and EVGA is preparing the 780ti classified.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

ACX preview: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...-GTX-780-Ti-3GB-ACX-Preview-Overclocked-GK110

 

[blackened23]

Sick. The EVGA ACX isn't even the best aftermarket cooler, *and* it is a reference PCB. Great overclocks despite that - Can't wait to see what an Asus DC II or EVGA classified can do.

Oh, throttling is a non issue even with auto fan:

 

[Vesku]

Oh hey, it's 1 out 5000000 review websites that shows the 290X above the 780ti. Who are these clowns at hardware.fr trying to kid here? 100% fanspeed 290X eh? I guess i'll have to add hardware.fr to my "joke website" list.

I don't think the Techreport.com is a "joke website". They were the lead site on reporting Nvidia having better frame delivery for a few driver releases and the overall consensus at the time was that they were relatively upstanding in terms of hardware review.

 

[skipsneeky2]

The 780ti really is a beautiful monster once you apply a killer aftermarket heatsink and apply a overclock, that ACX cooler from Evga is simply amazing and performance is fantastic.

Guessing that Overclocked Evga card is done with factory stock voltage?Or is it upped?Can't wait to see what kind of beast Msi can bring with their lightning model.

 

[3DVagabond]

Oh hey, it's 1 out 5000000 review websites that shows the 290X above the 780ti. Who are these clowns at hardware.fr trying to kid here? 100% fanspeed 290X eh? I guess i'll have to add hardware.fr to my "joke website" list.

Actually, if you take AT's results for 290X uber vs. 780ti they are the same as Hardware.fr with the 290X being ~2% faster overall.

Why do you think people got so upset with the comparison being between the 2 with the 290X run in quiet mode?

 

[blackened23]

This is what Ryan Smith stated in that review:

With that in mind, with the release of the GeForce GTX 780 Ti NVIDIA is once more left solidly in control of the single-GPU performance crown. It won’t quite get to claim a massive performance advantage over its closest competitors, but at the end of the day it’s going to be faster than any other single-GPU card out there. This will break down to being 11% faster than Radeon R9 290X, 9% faster than GTX Titan, and a full 20% faster than the original GTX 780 that it formally replaces.

You guys are off topic and thread derailing BTW. 290X review thread is ----------->

 

[3DVagabond]

Sick. The EVGA ACX isn't even the best aftermarket cooler, *and* it is a reference PCB. Great overclocks despite that - Can't wait to see what an Asus DC II or EVGA classified can do.

Oh, throttling is a non issue even with auto fan:

You are talking aftermarket cooling compared to reference. Those charts from Hardwae.fr and AT are reference vs. reference. We'll have to wait and see what aftermarket 290's and 290X's can do to draw accurate comparisons to the aftermarket 780ti's.

 

[SirPauly]

Wishfull thoughts , TR graph put the 290X above the 780ti
performance wise , and dont come with bias claims , their
metric has always favoured Nvidia until Hawai...

If you prefer fps , get a look at HFR mean of 15 games
over 3 res.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/912-22/recapitulatif-performances.html

Actualy the only way the 780ti can outmatch
the 290X is to run the latter in quiet mode......

Thanks! Sites at times have different metrics and investigations! HardwareFR is one of my favorite sites ---- good to see the site create some sort of apples-to-apples with a default ti and their subjective ti uber!

 

[blackened23]

You are talking aftermarket cooling compared to reference. Those charts from Hardwae.fr and AT are reference vs. reference. We'll have to wait and see what aftermarket 290's and 290X's can do to draw accurate comparisons to the aftermarket 780ti's.

Considering there are water cooled 290X cards that can't push past 1100mhz on OCN, do you really have any hope for this? I already know what this outcome will be. Also, notice how the reference 780ti card is only throttling by 2 bins on AUTO fan. Now that is a great cooler design, something AMD should aspire to emulate. None of the problems and trade-offs with the 290X would exist had they done so. The 780ti doesn't need an aftermarket card for quiet operation with no performance trade-offs, which is why I would consider it a far better and far more balanced product than the 290X. Sure, the price sucks but it is a better product.

This is why the 290X is disappointing to me. It quickly became apparent that the throttling issues were true and severe for quiet operation, and this has never been the case for any prior AMD GPU. I wanted to like the card. I was excited for it. The reference 290X just doesn't deliver IMO unless you can live with those trade-offs - while the 780ti has no such trade-offs. When you buy a 290X you always have to second guess yourself and ask "can I live with the noise"..."can I live with the worse software".. "can I put up with throttling for quiet fan speeds".. It's all about trade-offs. I find that highly disappointing despite the lower price. Sure, aftermarket designs may fix this but they're not here yet.

 

[3DVagabond]

They may be upset because they love having dust busters in their PC. This is what Ryan Smith stated in that review:



You guys are off topic and thread derailing BTW. 290X review thread is ----------->

So comparing performance between the subject of the thread, the 780ti, and it's competing card is off topic? Give me a break. You just don't like the way the comparison has turned out.

 

[blackened23]

Turned out fine:

With that in mind, with the release of the GeForce GTX 780 Ti NVIDIA is once more left solidly in control of the single-GPU performance crown. It won’t quite get to claim a massive performance advantage over its closest competitors, but at the end of the day it’s going to be faster than any other single-GPU card out there. This will break down to being 11% faster than Radeon R9 290X, 9% faster than GTX Titan, and a full 20% faster than the original GTX 780 that it formally replaces.

...without the tradeoffs that the 290X has. No 300mhz throttling, no borderline quality software. You get shadowplay (which is really awesome BTW) and adaptive vsync which I use fairly regularly. The 290X is cheap and they're cheap for a reason. Because of trade-offs. Personally when I'm spending 500$+ on a GPU, I don't want trade-offs. I want the best. And the 290X isn't the best when AMD is asking you to accept so many performance versus noise and software trade-offs.

I fully expect aftermarket designs to go a long way towards addressing this, but they're not here yet so they're irrelevant to anyone on the market for a GPU now.

Heck, I really liked my 7970s when I used them and there were no performance versus noise trade-offs with the 7970. Sure it was loud at 45%+ fanspeed, but I could overclock my cards at 40% fan speed. See the difference here? The 290X and 290 are giving you performance trade-offs that never existed with any prior AMD GPU. I think it's pretty stupid that AMD didn't have the foresight to prevent this entire situation.

 

[SimianR]

Turned out fine:



...without the tradeoffs that the 290X has. No 300mhz throttling, no borderline quality software. The 290X is cheap and they're cheap for a reason. Because of trade-offs. Personally when I'm spending 500$+ on a GPU, I don't want trade-offs. I want the best. And the 290X isn't the best when AMD is asking you to accept so many performance versus noise and software trade-offs.

I understand the noise issue - but what are the "software trade-offs"?

 

[3DVagabond]

Considering there are water cooled 290X cards that can't push past 1100mhz on OCN, do you really have any hope for this? I already know what this outcome will be. Also, notice how the reference 780ti card is only throttling by 2 bins on AUTO fan. Now that is a great cooler design, something AMD should aspire to emulate. None of the problems and trade-offs with the 290X would exist had they done so. The 780ti doesn't need an aftermarket card for quiet operation with no performance trade-offs, which is why I would consider it a far better and far more balanced product than the 290X. Sure, the price sucks but it is a better product.

This is why the 290X is disappointing to me. It quickly became apparent that the throttling issues were true and severe for quiet operation, and this has never been the case for any prior AMD GPU. I wanted to like the card. I was excited for it. The reference 290X just doesn't deliver IMO unless you can live with those trade-offs - while the 780ti has no such trade-offs. When you buy a 290X you always have to second guess yourself and ask "can I live with the noise"..."can I live with the worse software".. "can I put up with throttling for quiet fan speeds".. It's all about trade-offs. I find that highly disappointing despite the lower price. Sure, aftermarket designs may fix this but they're not here yet.

You look at the difference in performance in those hardware.fr charts. It's more than 2 bins. I already showed you this, though. You've decided to make believe it doesn't exist and attack the integrity of the site rather than accepting the results.

 

[Imouto]

Bravo Blackened23, bravo.

 

[Abwx]

And the 290X isn't the best when AMD is asking you to accept so many performance versus noise and software trade-offs.

I already explained that the Radeon doesnt require your
extracting fan to run at fast speeds contrary to the gforce,
you ll lose on one side what has been gained on the other one,
there s really no miracle when it comes to heat management....

 

[blackened23]

I understand the noise issue - but what are the "software trade-offs"?

Put simply, AMD's CCC is extremely basic in comparison to what NV offers in their control panel. You also get physx, TXAA, adaptive vsync - which a lot of people don't like, but having more options instead of less is never a bad thing. Additionally, Geforce experience with shadowplay is pretty darn awesome - you can record with unbelievably low CPU latency.

Honestly, if you look through NV's control panel there is way more tinkering that can be done. WAY more. Also the app profiles are much more versatile, and you can even specify power management on a per application basis. No such deal with AMD's CCC.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

So what are you doing in the 780ti thread anyway to extol the virtues of the 290X? Just so you know, and i'm almost certain that you've never personally used a Kepler GPU - but throttling is pretty much a non issue with the Kepler. The most i've personally seen any Kepler GPU throttle was by 26mhz, and that was in crysis 3 maxed out with vsync turned off after several hours of gameplay. Oh yeah, auto fan. Now, admittedly, this is with the GTX 780 - I don't know what differences the additional power circuitry on the 780ti does. Meanwhile, you have the 290X throttling by 300+ Mhz for using a quiet fan profile and then you have retail purchased boards throttling even more than AMD's press boards.

I think you are confused. Anandtech only showed the anything close to 300mhz throttling in fur mark. The 780ti throttled by 200mhz in furmark.

Are you still referring to that chart where they manually set the 290x fan to 34%?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

 

[blackened23]

I think you are confused. Anandtech only showed the anything close to 300mhz throttling in fur mark. The 780ti throttled by 200mhz in furmark.

Are you still referring to that chart where they manually set the 290x fan to 34%?

Hmm?

The black line is quiet mode operation at 40% fan speed.

Just to be clear, the new AMD driver does nothing to change the performance discrepancies that exist with quiet fan profiles. You still lose a ton of performance for 40% fan.

Trade-offs. They're not acceptable when you want the best. Period.

 

[SimianR]

Put simply, AMD's CCC is extremely basic in comparison to what NV offers in their control panel. You also get physx, TXAA, adaptive vsync - which a lot of people don't like, but having more options instead of less is never a bad thing. Additionally, Geforce experience with shadowplay is pretty darn awesome - you can record with unbelievably low CPU latency.

I just jumped from a Radeon 5870 to a Geforce 760 about a month ago. As I've moved from AMD to nvidia and back again over the years. The nvidia control panel is fine, but I woudn't say AMD's CCC is extremely basic compared, if I want to do anything besides the most basic of options I still have to use NVIDIA inspector. Physx is neat but there still hasn't been any titles that have really sold its importance IMO. I've messed around with Shadowplay and it is cool - but its also the only reason I would bother installing Geforce experience and I'm still not sure shadowplay is a card seller, but hey its handy to have for sure.

I guess for me and I think for many users having more performance at each price bracket that lets you run a game on high instead of medium, or at a higher resolution with higher sustained fps for less $ is more important than another bullet point on a marketing slide or on the side of a product box.

 

[blackened23]

More 40% fan performance of the 290:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/15