GTX 780 Ti reviews

[3DVagabond]

Turned out fine:



...without the tradeoffs that the 290X has. No 300mhz throttling, no borderline quality software. You get shadowplay (which is really awesome BTW) and adaptive vsync which I use fairly regularly. The 290X is cheap and they're cheap for a reason. Because of trade-offs. Personally when I'm spending 500$+ on a GPU, I don't want trade-offs. I want the best. And the 290X isn't the best when AMD is asking you to accept so many performance versus noise and software trade-offs.

I fully expect aftermarket designs to go a long way towards addressing this, but they're not here yet so they're irrelevant to anyone on the market for a GPU now.

Heck, I really liked my 7970s when I used them and there were no performance versus noise trade-offs with the 7970. Sure it was loud at 45%+ fanspeed, but I could overclock my cards at 40% fan speed. See the difference here? The 290X and 290 are giving you performance trade-offs that never existed with any prior AMD GPU. I think it's pretty stupid that AMD didn't have the foresight to prevent this entire situation.

You choose to completely ignore results from reputable sites and spout your own numbers with nothing to cite them (a citation needs a link, not just a quote taken out of context.) and everyone should accept it? You always want to turn the comparisons into purely a discussion of the AMD reference cooler like that's all that matters. If after dozens of posts denigrating the reference cooler there are people who don't care, you continuing to harp on it isn't going to change anyone's mind. There are people who care more about $150 than the reference cooler, or the name on the side of the case.

 

[Imouto]

Trade-offs. They're not acceptable when you want the best. Period.

That's why you ditched the marvelous reference cooler for an ACX.

When you want the best you don't buy reference coolers. Period.

 

[SimianR]

More 40% fan performance of the 290:

And it stacks up pretty nicely to the $399 770 4gb cards in its price bracket at 40% fan speed

The reality is the 290 is being compared to the 780/780Ti but compared to the NVIDIA cards in its actual price bracket its still very competitive.

 

[blackened23]

You choose to completely ignore results from reputable sites and spout your own numbers with nothing to cite them (a citation needs a link, not just a quote taken out of context.) and everyone should accept it? You always want to turn the comparisons into purely a discussion of the AMD reference cooler like that's all that matters. If after dozens of posts denigrating the reference cooler there are people who don't care, you continuing to harp on it isn't going to change anyone's mind. There are people who care more about $150 than the reference cooler, or the name on the side of the case.

You're in the 780ti review thread. I'm showing why the 780ti is a better and more complete product with no performance versus noise trade-offs. The 780ti doesn't have the trade-offs of the 290X .

I'm sure plenty of people will buy the 290 on value, sure, that's cool. But it isn't the best product by far. It's the cheaper product, and that's about it. If anyone at AMD could read this the take-home message would be if you want to compete with nvidia's high end, don't introduce trade-offs. The Hawaii chip had potential - If AMD wants to go all out, go all out. Don't make a good chip and then say "screw it" with the other aspects of the card. That's how you ensure your competitor ends up with the better product.

I saw this mentioned somewhere, but GPU opinions are formed around launch day. I think it's pretty safe to say that AMD screwed this up thanks to these trade-offs. Don't you think if AMD could go backwards in time, that they would change things? I think so. The cheaper price of the 290 cards isn't worth all the bad press they received.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

That's why you ditched the marvelous reference cooler for an ACX.

When you want the best you don't buy reference coolers. Period.

I know people who traded ACX cards for reference

 

[NIGELG]

This is what Ryan Smith stated in that review:



You guys are off topic and thread derailing BTW. 290X review thread is ----------->

Considering there are water cooled 290X cards that can't push past 1100mhz on OCN, do you really have any hope for this? I already know what this outcome will be. Also, notice how the reference 780ti card is only throttling by 2 bins on AUTO fan. Now that is a great cooler design, something AMD should aspire to emulate. None of the problems and trade-offs with the 290X would exist had they done so. The 780ti doesn't need an aftermarket card for quiet operation with no performance trade-offs, which is why I would consider it a far better and far more balanced product than the 290X. Sure, the price sucks but it is a better product.

This is why the 290X is disappointing to me. It quickly became apparent that the throttling issues were true and severe for quiet operation, and this has never been the case for any prior AMD GPU. I wanted to like the card. I was excited for it. The reference 290X just doesn't deliver IMO unless you can live with those trade-offs - while the 780ti has no such trade-offs. When you buy a 290X you always have to second guess yourself and ask "can I live with the noise"..."can I live with the worse software".. "can I put up with throttling for quiet fan speeds".. It's all about trade-offs. I find that highly disappointing despite the lower price. Sure, aftermarket designs may fix this but they're not here yet.

Put simply, AMD's CCC is extremely basic in comparison to what NV offers in their control panel. You also get physx, TXAA, adaptive vsync - which a lot of people don't like, but having more options instead of less is never a bad thing. Additionally, Geforce experience with shadowplay is pretty darn awesome - you can record with unbelievably low CPU latency.

Honestly, if you look through NV's control panel there is way more tinkering that can be done. WAY more. Also the app profiles are much more versatile, and you can even specify power management on a per application basis. No such deal with AMD's CCC.

I think you can re join ABT .You will be welcomed there after this conversion of yours....

Infraction issued for thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

The 780 Ti is good in performance but not in price.Aftermarket 780 Non Ti's are a much better choice.

http://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Direct...ywords=780+gtx

 

[3DVagabond]

Hmm?

The black line is quiet mode operation at 40% fan speed.

Just to be clear, the new AMD driver does nothing to change the performance discrepancies that exist with quiet fan profiles. You still lose a ton of performance for 40% fan.

Trade-offs. They're not acceptable when you want the best. Period.

So now you want to post performance of a card that AMD said to return for RMA as what people should expect from the reference cards. You complain about off topic, that's the 290, not the 290X in uber mode.

 

[Erenhardt]

More 40% fan performance of the 290:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/15

Stop derailing the thread! Quit OT!

 

[3DVagabond]

More 40% fan performance of the 290:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/15

So from charts with cards that AMD has declared eligible for RMA to charts that the review site has turned down the fan speed. Again, with the 290, not the 290X in Uber mode.

 

[SolMiester]

Actually, if you take AT's results for 290X uber vs. 780ti they are the same as Hardware.fr with the 290X being ~2% faster overall.

Why do you think people got so upset with the comparison being between the 2 with the 290X run in quiet mode?

LOL, even taking into consideration the 4K issue eh?...certainly helps the 290x cause.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The 780 Ti is good in performance but not in price.Aftermarket 780 Non Ti's are a much better choice.

http://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Direct...ywords=780+gtx

Agreed, if you criteria is based on price/performance at near the top, but if your criteria is fastest, it is a poor choice.

 

[Abwx]

I guess that comparison are welcomed by Blackened providing
they fuel his perceptions...

Beware , your posts count say it all , you re mislead
by the ultimate misleader....

 

[Abwx]

LOL, even taking into consideration the 4K issue eh?...certainly helps the 290x cause.

Better 800x600 instead of 4k to compare 500$+ cards..?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Better 800x600 instead of 4k to compare 500$+ cards..?

Better 1080-1600, realistic, marketable resolutions instead of $500 graphics cards failing utterly to push $3500+ monitors with last gen engines on the cusp of next gen consoles.

 

[Imouto]

I know people who traded ACX cards for reference

What does it have to do with this? He's complaining about the tradeoffs that the NV reference cooler seems to not have and he bought an ACX instead.

As for me he seems to be imposing his preferences like a broken record trying to push something on others that he didn't even get for himself.

Instead of hammering the forums with his continuous whining he should wait for the aftermarket cooling for both parties and give it a rest.

 

[SolMiester]

I think you can re join ABT .You will be welcomed there after this conversion of yours....

The 780 Ti is good in performance but not in price.Aftermarket 780 Non Ti's are a much better choice.

http://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Direct...ywords=780+gtx

Thats a cheap shot!...are fans of NV not welcome here then?

 

[skipsneeky2]

Can never understand all the bickering and arguing people do over something as simple as video cards. That being said i guess the last thing that interests me with these new cards is 4k, mostly cause 4k is sported on screens bigger then i could ever care to want to use unless 4k is brought down to 24''......doubt it ever will be 24'' and under $500 any time this decade.

 

[SolMiester]

Better 800x600 instead of 4k to compare 500$+ cards..?

NV has 4k issue at present, 3D included these to get his rounded off 2% better than Ti....christ, what a dogs dinner!

 

[BallaTheFeared]

What does it have to do with this? He's complaining about the tradeoffs that the NV reference cooler seems to not have and he bought an ACX instead.

He's stating in it comparison to AMDs reference design, not in comparison to non reference 780 Ti designs.

Even non reference has trade offs

 

[SimianR]

NV has 4k issue at present, 3D included these to get his rounded off 2% better than Ti....christ, what a dogs dinner!

But I thought it was AMD that had all the driver issues?

Warning issued for thread crapping.
-- stahlhart

 

[NIGELG]

Thats a cheap shot!...are fans of NV not welcome here then?

Of course they are welcome.....

Healthy discussions are good but not repetitive drilling of a point over and over and over.....

I like the 780 TI.But I won't buy one or a 290/X because my 7970 is doing great at 1080P.

 

[3DVagabond]

LOL, even taking into consideration the 4K issue eh?...certainly helps the 290x cause.

That's the results. When did we give AMD breaks because their drivers weren't as good as nVidia's?

FWIW: Hardware.fr

Here is Hardware.fr's summary @ 1080. The 780ti (non uber) is with stock fan speeds. Notice that the 290X Uber matches the 780ti even at that resolution. It also shows that this talk of the reference Titan cooler doing a better job, isn't all that accurate. Overall it throttles as much as the 290X cooler and needs to be turned up, or have additional fans directed on it, to stop this. Aftermarket coolers, (ACX, Toxic, DCII, etc...) are what's needed for either of these chips.

 

[Imouto]

He's stating in it comparison to AMDs reference design, not in comparison to non reference 780 Ti designs.

Even non reference has trade offs

That's the point, everything has tradeoffs but he seems to be unable to overcome AMD's ones. Different needs, offerings and tradeoffs.

As for me I won't buy an AMD card until they support the software I work with. Does that make me go apeshit in every single thread several times a day complaining and whining about it?

He's on a crusade for something that will be fixed easily when aftermarket cooling is available. Something that even him did for his GTX 780. Doesn't look sane over here.

 

[SolMiester]

But I thought it was AMD that had all the driver issues?

Apparently it still does with DX9 and eyefinity on 7xxx, however as no one uses 4K, NV were caught out napping i guess.

 

[SolMiester]

Of course they are welcome.....

Healthy discussions are good but not repetitive drilling of a point over and over and over.....

I like the 780 TI.But I won't buy one or a 290/X because my 7970 is doing great at 1080P.

Several are doing that, but you selected the one?!