GTX580 reviews thread

[Teizo]

Not impressed. Nvidia's newest, most advanced, top of the line card is slower than a year old card. *yawn*

Nvidia has a dual gpu card coming out in December I believe, so wait 'til then to make a more fair comparison.

 

[3DVagabond]

Well if you ask 100 smart people on this forum if they would rather have a single card solution or a sli/crossfire solution, I'm sure 100 of them will chose the single card solution. There are many reasons for this and you know most of them.

First one being upgradability. Quadfire x or gtx580's in sli? Thats a no-brainer.

All this from the man who continuously recommended GTX-460 SLI over single card solutions because bang for the buck was all that mattered.

 

[Ares1214]

Well if you ask 100 smart people on this forum if they would rather have a single card solution or a sli/crossfire solution, I'm sure 100 of them will chose the single card solution. There are many reasons for this and you know most of them.

First one being upgradability. Quadfire x or gtx580's in sli? Thats a no-brainer.

Not so fast, id rather a dual 6850 setup over a 580 at this point. Granted, single card is preferable, but dual cards can offer extreme value.

 

[notty22]

Well if you ask 100 smart people on this forum if they would rather have a single card solution or a sli/crossfire solution, I'm sure 100 of them will chose the single card solution. There are many reasons for this and you know most of them.

First one being upgradability. Quadfire x or gtx580's in sli? Thats a no-brainer.

Your not listening to your own earlier advice about 'feeding'.
There are no negatives , so of course there is yawning about the fastest gpu on the planet getting 15% faster, and running cooler. For about the same cash.
Maybe they should put in in a gun case and charge a 1100 dollars? lol

 

[Lonyo]

Well if you ask 100 smart people on this forum if they would rather have a single card solution or a sli/crossfire solution, I'm sure 100 of them will chose the single card solution. There are many reasons for this and you know most of them.

First one being upgradability. Quadfire x or gtx580's in sli? Thats a no-brainer.

I hate to tell you this, but you phrased your statement wrongly.
An HD5970 is a single card solution.
It's also a Crossfire solution.

Also, like almost always, two GPUs is faster than one while costing about the same or less. That includes the HD5970 (although it doesn't require 2 cards).
(Also HD5970 is still a horrible purchase, no matter what. Has been since the dawn of time).

 

[Ares1214]

Your not listening to your own earlier advice about 'feeding'.
There are no negatives , so of course there is yawning about the fastest gpu on the planet getting 15% faster, and running cooler. For about the same cash.
Maybe they should put in in a gun case and charge a 1100 dollars? lol

You have really got to stop using that example, considering the 5970 can be had for $469-499.

 

[omek]

(And the fact NV doesn't have a dual GPU card out doesn't invalidate the comparison, they've had time to produce one too. People also commented that the GTX480 didn't manage to beat the GTX295 in many situations).

DX9 games.

 

[SolMiester]

I cant believe people deriding the 580 because the 5970 is faster (well marginally), someone tell me when the last time AMD's next generation was faster than the competitors dual GPU card...

Honestly this forum is going downhill. We have AMD next generation, slower than that it replaces getting rave review because they fixed CF and actually got the OC scaling working, when NV produce another card, faster and better power and thermals, we have AMD guys yawning...LMAO!

Im no fan of AMD, but I certainly dont bad mouth every product of theirs every single post like some on these forums...

It getting like we need separate forums for Red and green as its beyond a joke now!

 

[Piano Man]

If they make this $450ish, it would be super nice. Much cooler, way less power hungry, and 13-15% faster than the GTX480. Get the price right, and this will be a very nice release.

 

[MrK6]

I think these two screen caps pretty much show why the GTX 580 is unimpressive:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/5802560rel.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/580pwrpeak.png

Basically, you have a card that's only 32% faster than AMD's flagship from well over a year ago, the 5870, running on outdated drivers. Also, it consumes 57% more power, too. That just isn't impressive, not a year later, and especially because it doesn't even live up to the original performance estimates NVIDIA PR was spouting during last fall (50%+ faster than Cypress, blah blah blah).

 

[Gloomy]

Honestly this forum is going downhill. We have AMD next generation, slower than that it replaces getting rave review because they fixed CF and actually got the OC scaling working, when NV produce another card, faster and better power and thermals, we have AMD guys yawning...LMAO!

68xx replaces 57xx?

 

[SolMiester]

I think these two screen caps pretty much show why the GTX 580 is unimpressive:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/5802560rel.png
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1061446/580pwrpeak.png

Basically, you have a card that's only 32% faster than AMD's flagship from well over a year ago, the 5870, running on outdated drivers. Also, it consumes 57% more power, too. That just isn't impressive, not a year later, and especially because it doesn't even live up to the original performance estimates NVIDIA PR was spouting during last fall (50%+ faster than Cypress, blah blah blah).

A card made up of dual GPU's FCS....nobody seems to worry about the 4870x2 there at 381w!!

 

[SolMiester]

68xx replaces 57xx?

But they named it after the previous generation, cut back on IQ so they can trick Joe Public?

 

[happy medium]

I hate to tell you this, but you phrased your statement wrongly.
An HD5970 is a single card solution.
It's also a Crossfire solution.

Also, like almost always, two GPUs is faster than one while costing about the same or less. That includes the HD5970 (although it doesn't require 2 cards).
(Also HD5970 is still a horrible purchase, no matter what. Has been since the dawn of time).

I thank you for the correction but it doesn't change the point.
A single GPU solution is allways best at the same performance levels over a dual gpu solution.

I recommended dual gtx460's because its 20% faster then the single gtx 480and much faster then a 5870,to address the other comment. they also overclock like crazy and don't have Catalyst crossfire performance problems as often. Thats a whole different ballgame guys.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

What average?

Do you think Crysis will be consuming more power when it gives more or less frame rates?

Sure you can reduce power consumption of a card by limiting the frame rate, but otherwise the card will just burn the same powerin a given game - sometimes it will give more performance then the other but it is using the same power.

Just look at the problems SC2 menus used to give - it would load the card full even though all of those cards could easily render those menus at much lower power consumption.

Averages like TPU does them. I'm not implying higher or lower framerate do anything, and I don't think there really is a straight answer to the question you are asking. However it is definitely reasonable that power consumption changes on the fly depending on the workload (which may or may not be dependent on the framerate) of the GPU. So when testing several GPUs over the same segment of actual gameplay, I want to see the average usage. That is, if you graphed the power consumption on an X-Y plane, the area under the line and above the X-axis is what I want. That area can be compared from one video card to another.

Let me clarify, since you obviously have temper issues.... breath in... breath out... woosaw.... maybe you need a up your meds but a small misunderstanding shouldn't be setting you over the edge to the point of "shock" and "Jesus." Maybe you're just having a bad day.

And you obviously can't tell the temperament of an anonymous poster. There are so many things wrong with this post. Well actually, maybe there are many things right. I'm sure you felt insecure about getting something "wrong" when it was quite clear you shouldn't have, so you turn this into some personal dilemma.

You should re-read what I wrote more carefully. You interpreted something by looking at it through a mask, when every little detail expresses what I was trying to convey. And it wasn't anger. (Hint: disbelief, mild disdain)

 

[omek]

Ahh well, it's sufficiently faster than the 480 (nevermind the 5870), draws less power and is a single GPU. A dual would have huge potential.
I call it a win for everyone with dropped prices + the price of the 580 could be even steeper 500 usually the fastest single GPU is monopolized upon. Another win.
I'd love to see a 570 soon.

 

[MrK6]

A card made up of dual GPU's FCS....nobody seems to worry about the 4870x2 there at 381w!!

What does the 4870X2 have to do with any of that?

I thank you for the correction but it doesn't change the point.
A single GPU solution is allways best at the same performance levels over a dual gpu solution.

I recommended dual gtx460's because its 20% faster then the single gtx 480and much faster then a 5870,to address the other comment. they also overclock like crazy and don't have Catalyst crossfire performance problems as often. Thats a whole different ballgame guys.

Only when it suits your point, amirite?

 

[Spike]

link no longer works for me... did they take it down?

EDIT noticed others already said the same thing. What was the conclusion on the noise of the new vapor cooling they are using?

 

[blastingcap]

link no longer works for me... did they take it down?

EDIT noticed others already said the same thing. What was the conclusion on the noise of the new vapor cooling they are using?

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30735366&postcount=118

 

[Daedalus685]

A card made up of dual GPU's FCS....nobody seems to worry about the 4870x2 there at 381w!!

I have already told you that 381W was the full system draw in that review...

Also, Furmark would drive the 4870x2 like mad. Something they prevented with the drivers a long while back.

It most certainly was news when the card was released (which was not all that recently by the way) but not for the total power draw (it was nicely under 300W) but for how ridiculously high it would climb in fur mark over games, and the bruhaha that started when ATI started throttling in furmark.

 

[Spike]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30735366&postcount=118

I can't link to pic hosting sites from work otherwise I would check those out. But thanks for the link anyway, I'll take a peek when I get home in a few hours.

 

[3DVagabond]

There were driver problems with the 460 SLI. The reason it was acceptable, IIRC, is because they were on beta drivers (for about 2mos. or so). It was nVidia's flavor du jour then, and those hawking nVidia were all over it, just like the 580 is today.

The 580 appears to be a definite improvement over the 480, which is good. Hopefully someone will compare it to a 480 @ 765MHz (I believe that's the 580 stock clocks) to see how much of an improvement in performance it really is. It seems to me it's more of a fixed GF100 rather than anything else.

 

[Gloomy]

But they named it after the previous generation

and added two more high end cards to even it out?

 

[Chumster]

But they named it after the previous generation, cut back on IQ so they can trick Joe Public?

Can we please stop making this argument? "Joe Public" wouldn't know a 5770 from a 8800. "Joe Public" buys whatever comes with his Mac/Dell/HP/etc. He might even get adventurous and hit that pull down menu to see what graphic card options are available - and likely make a choice based on price alone, but they aren't going to get "tricked" by the 68xx series. /tanget


The 580 is looking great; happy I'm in the market to buy a card in the next month. Should be a ton of options.

 

[toyota]

I have already told you that 381W was the full system draw in that review...

Also, Furmark would drive the 4870x2 like mad. Something they prevented with the drivers a long while back.

It most certainly was news when the card was released (which was not all that recently by the way) but not for the total power draw (it was nicely under 300W) but for how ridiculously high it would climb in fur mark over games, and the bruhaha that started when ATI started throttling in furmark.

did you even look at that review because there were low end cards using less than 20 watts? 381 doesn't sound right but it was most certainly NOT full system draw.