GTX700 series reviews thread

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amenx

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Your post/response/Nvidia cheer leading is even more Yawn worthyD:.

It's my own view.


Why should I upgrade from an overclocked 7970 to this overpriced thing??
Perfectly valid view. I bet that still wont stop a few other 7970 owners from buying one.
 

Keysplayr

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Its hard to have a logical debate when there's people defending a massive price premium for a ~15% gain over a Ghz (or even cheaper factory OC 7970s for $359), even vs a 680 its not stellar. People like that, you cannot debate with because they've already decided, NV is the best, regardless, and they are more than eager to pay whatever NV charges.

So no matter what, Titan is awesome sauce and the 780 is pure win.

Where is anybody defending this price premium for either GTX 780 or Titan?
We know the prices are exhorbitant but at the same time, these cards are peerless and why is that?
 

3DVagabond

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The reality is that AMD's focus on upcoming game consoles has [directly or indirectly] resulted in them missing their yearly refresh cycle for high end GPU's (among other things), so NVIDIA benefits from having less intense competition for high end single GPU's for many months to come.

Actually, they said they felt they had the best cards, but the public generally perceived them as not as good as nVidia. I think that's a fair assessment. They didn't feel a refresh would be worth it until they addressed that, so they are working to upgrade their image. Better dev relations, addressing the frame-time issues, and crossfire were higher up on the list of priorities. Obviously, simply having faster hardware at a better price hasn't garnered them market share. The "image upgrade" is Roy Taylor's responsibility.
 

Leadbox

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Actually, they said they felt they had the best cards, but the public generally perceived them as not as good as nVidia. I think that's a fair assessment. They didn't feel a refresh would be worth it until they addressed that, so they are working to upgrade their image. Better dev relations, addressing the frame-time issues, and crossfire were higher up on the list of priorities. Obviously, simply having faster hardware at a better price hasn't garnered them market share. The "image upgrade" is Roy Taylor's responsibility.

Anyone else notice how the radeon is owning the geforces in the frame-time/latency stakes using FCAT in the Techreport review?
 

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Actually, they said they felt they had the best cards, but the public generally perceived them as not as good as nVidia. I think that's a fair assessment. They didn't feel a refresh would be worth it until they addressed that, so they are working to upgrade their image. Better dev relations, addressing the frame-time issues, and crossfire were higher up on the list of priorities. Obviously, simply having faster hardware at a better price hasn't garnered them market share. The "image upgrade" is Roy Taylor's responsibility.

Is there a valid reason why they couldn't do both? Simply allowing Nvidia to release the Titan and GTX780 without reply is hardly going to make people sit up and think, "hmm, maybe AMD are as good as Nvidia". HD 7790 Bonaire is a scaled up low end card that beats its predecessor the 7770 by ~30%. Could AMD have upscaled Bonaire to get a similar boost over HD 7970?

Let me make this clear. GTX780 and Titan are absolutely stunning cards, they just aren't worth the premium IMHO. Having said that, there is no point AMD trying to change peoples perceptions by saying "our cards are as good as Nvidia's" while being clearly slower.
 
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Anyone else notice how the radeon is owning the geforces in the frame-time/latency stakes using FCAT in the Techreport review?

Nobody is running around championing frame times anymore now that nVidia can compete in the old fashioned FPS department again. Who needs "slower but smoother" when you can have "faster and more expensive".
 

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Is there a valid reason why they couldn't do both? Simply allowing Nvidia to release the Titan and GTX780 without reply is hardly going to make people sit up and think, "hmm, maybe AMD are as good as Nvidia". HD 7790 Bonaire is a scaled up low end card that beats its predecessor the 7770 by ~30%. Could AMD have upscaled Bonaire to get a similar boost over HD 7970?

Let me make this clear. GTX780 and Titan are absolutely stunning cards, they just aren't worth the premium IMHO.

What's the point of releasing another series with immature drivers and reduced clocks? That's basically what they've been doing by being first to market every generation and it hasn't seemed to do a whole lot for them. Especially if they have to sell more expensive to produce hardware (Tahiti vs. GK104) for less money.
 

Keysplayr

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What a dweeb. Classic small man syndrome Shows he's got money, but no class. There are far better vehicles for less than 1/2 the price. It's not even a good looking Ferrari.

This is really pathetic. A total lash out. Issues abound and run deep with you.
"He's got money, but no class"???? Who has no class, 3DVagabond?
As if the CEO and presidents of all other huge corporations drive around a Ford Focus or Toyota Prius. What do you think Hector or Paul drives? Or even Rory?

Don't take this post as my vindication of Nvidia pricing. I think it's ridiculous, but at the same time, people are eating them up. So, do I condemn Nvidia for the gouge prices or do I respect their foresight for correctly knowing what the market will bear?
I can tell you that as a consumer, I'm pretty bummed about these prices.
 

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Anyone else notice how the radeon is owning the geforces in the frame-time/latency stakes using FCAT in the Techreport review?

How did you arrive at that conclusion? From what I saw, Titan/780 were nearly always ahead. The only one to trail behind by a bit was the 680 which is an EOL product now.
 

Keysplayr

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Nobody is running around championing frame times anymore now that nVidia can compete in the old fashioned FPS department again. Who needs "slower but smoother" when you can have "faster and more expensive".

When you come out of your catatonic state, have a look at this fresh new thread going on.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2321028

Wake up please. You're reeling and I understand that, but man, IMHO you might want to back off the posting for a short bit.

I mean, calling JHH classless because he has a Ferrari. Saying nobody cares about frame latency anymore just because you can see that 780 and Titan are in an FPS lead. Nobody said this dude. 'Cept you.
 
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This is really pathetic. A total lash out. Issues abound and run deep with you.
"He's got money, but no class"???? Who has no class, 3DVagabond?
As if the CEO and presidents of all other huge corporations drive around a Ford Focus or Toyota Prius. What do you think Hector or Paul drives? Or even Rory?

Don't take this post as my vindication of Nvidia pricing. I think it's ridiculous, but at the same time, people are eating them up. So, do I condemn Nvidia for the gouge prices or do I respect their foresight for correctly knowing what the market will bear?
I can tell you that as a consumer, I'm pretty bummed about these prices.

I made no mention of pricing. Just his choice of cars. I could honestly care less about how much people have to pay for nVidia cards.
 

hawtdawg

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I really don't understand why people are so concerned with what GPU other people buy.
 

5150Joker

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Nobody is running around championing frame times anymore now that nVidia can compete in the old fashioned FPS department again. Who needs "slower but smoother" when you can have "faster and more expensive".


They're faster AND smoother. :awe:


I really don't understand why people are so concerned with what GPU other people buy.

Jealousy, insecurity about their own purchase, fanboyism the list goes on and on.
 

amenx

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How did you arrive at that conclusion? From what I saw, Titan/780 were nearly always ahead. The only one to trail behind by a bit was the 680 which is an EOL product now.
Results looked mixed to me. I guess it depends on the game. In the Guru3d review, all games latencies tests had Nvidia as the clear winners.
 

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How did you arrive at that conclusion? From what I saw, Titan/780 were nearly always ahead. The only one to trail behind by a bit was the 680 which is an EOL product now.

I was about to say the same as Leadbox but I agree with Joker. Let's see how the rest of the rebadged 600 series into 700 fares.
 

Keysplayr

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I made no mention of pricing. Just his choice of cars. I could honestly care less about how much people have to pay for nVidia cards.

You sure did:

"There are far better vehicles for less than 1/2 the price."

This is what I mean. Wake up.
 

Leadbox

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How did you arrive at that conclusion? From what I saw, Titan/780 were nearly always ahead. The only one to trail behind by a bit was the 680 which is an EOL product now.

Clearly you've got no idea how it works do you?
 

ICDP

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What's the point of releasing another series with immature drivers and reduced clocks? That's basically what they've been doing by being first to market every generation and it hasn't seemed to do a whole lot for them. Especially if they have to sell more expensive to produce hardware (Tahiti vs. GK104) for less money.

A 79x0 refresh would not have had immature drivers. Don't forget the more mature 28nm process helped the 7790 achieve a 30% performance increase over 7770. AMD have managed refreshes before 4890, 6970 etc and there is no technical reason why they couldn't do it again.

The excuse you are giving just does not make sense. "People think we are crap so we stopped improving our product to concentrate on proving them wrong". If you want to improve peoples perception you have to give them a reason to take notice.
 

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You sure did:

"There are far better vehicles for less than 1/2 the price."

This is what I mean. Wake up.

I meant nVidia card prices that you were talking about.

Love your little snide remarks (in bold) besides just addressing my points. If you are trying to annoy me or appear superior somehow, don't bother. You have me confused with someone who is concerned with what you think.
 

NIGELG

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but at the same time, people are eating them up.
This is why people will always rail on you.When you make statements like these....

Where is the evidence or sales figures that people are ''eating them up''??
 

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The AMD reality distortion field is strong here (so strong they will probably be sued by Apple :O)

I feel bad for buying 79xx, I don't want to be associated with these people.
 
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