Well they do with their GPUs. Nice try at portraying NV 'neutering' as the norm.
It really is no different than the 7970 folks flashing to the 7970GE. Can you brick the card - Maybe? The chances of any complications happening are nearly zero though, IMO.
What do you mean "were" ? I still am.Keys, you dissappoint me m8, you were all for this new metric and here you coming across all clueless about what it is and what it measures.
The key difference is NV bans overvolting (unsure if there is a miniscule amount in the 780?) while AMD allows it. Not sure how these side arguments counter that huge minus.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, Nvidia warranties their cards that are overclocked as well.
My MSI 7950s voided warranty with removal of screws, I still took my cooler off to replace the stock TIM because it sucked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf4C9ssuPjE
As far as i'm aware, AMD is headed in the same direction. Or at least, a lot of vendors are actually implementing similar measures to prevent excessive RMAs. I should also point out that AMD's "boost" implementation really isn't anywhere near as elegant as nvidia's. Nvidia's boost implementation actually does a lot of work behind the scenes to bring the user a balance of efficiency, low noise, less heat output, etc - definitely good side effects IMHO.
I've modified my views on the entire voltage thing a bit, it doesn't bother me really - I can see what nvidia is trying to do with it. In the end their GPU Boost 2.0 parameters do maximize efficiency even with the gargantuan GK110 chip while not allowing a user to go too crazy with over voltage. I don't know. I have mixed feelings on it sometimes - I go back and forth. Being a long time fan of voltage unlocked cards like the MSI lightning, I can see how some might like that type of control. On the other hand, I can also see how nvidia is trying to bring a good user experience to the masses while trying to prevent excessive RMAs. So with that said, it doesn't really bother me anymore.
Nice red herring.
The topic was voltage modification.
NV Neuters their cards.
AMD allows overvolting.
You (guys) keep trying to spin it.
The only way to volt mod is to put a BIOS mod in and technically void the warranty and if you have no morals try reflash the BIOS before sending it in for a RMA. If the card dies completely you have a paper weight. If you are immoral you have a chance you can get an RMA.
Funny how you try avoid the topic at hand.
You're just hoping you can boot the card and flash it back before any potential RMA. If it actually dies like no image good luck with your $650-1000 paperweight.
Nice red herring.
The topic was voltage modification.
NV Neuters their cards.
AMD allows overvolting.
You (guys) keep trying to spin it.
The only way to volt mod is to put a BIOS mod in and technically void the warranty and if you have no morals try reflash the BIOS before sending it in for a RMA. If the card dies completely you have a paper weight. If you are immoral you have a chance you can get an RMA.
Funny how you try avoid the topic at hand.
The data is the data Keys, there's less frametime latency variation on the radeon than the geforces in that TR review.What do you mean "were" ? I still am.
Yes. I am completely clueless about your perception of reality. So, I'm sorry?
No, the only way you get the maximum potential out of GK110 is to flash the bios and hardmod the card, even with stock overvolting and overclocking the GTX 680 is several percent faster than Titan which is still mid-range vs high end compared to 7970 OC.
The data is the data Keys, there's less frametime latency variation on the radeon than the geforces in that TR review.
Either what I'm referring to goes over your head or you're in denial, which is it?Sure it does. Good luck with that.
Either what I'm referring to goes over your head or you're in denial, which is it?
People are ''eating them up'' according to some posters here....Only nvidia would ruin the release of a great card by pricing it where only a fool would buy it. 80% of the cards still available at the egg.
I might overvolt and overclock my 7950 today and get within 10% of the 780 for kicks. I paid $260 for mine. lol. And that included 3 good games.
Okay m8Denial, of course. Listen, I'm not responding to you after this so don't be surprised. -cheers.
I might overvolt and overclock my 7950 today and get within 10% of the 780 for kicks. I paid $260 for mine. lol. And that included 3 good games.
You can overvolt your Kepler cards as well, it's just limited, but not as limited as many AMD cards are these days, you can't even undervolt them, lol...
Nv Neutered cards blow AMD's overvolted cards out of the water, but don't let reality stop you now.
We aren't trying to spin anything.
No, the only way you get the maximum potential out of GK110 is to flash the bios and hardmod the card, even with stock overvolting and overclocking the GTX 780 is several percent faster than Titan which is still mid-range vs high end compared to 7970 OC.
Nobody is avoiding the topic, you're just trying to create something that isn't there. It's commonplace for real enthusiasts to void their warranty in pursuit of untapped performance.
If the card is completely dead, they won't be checking for a flashed bios.
What do you mean by "volt mod"? The Titan has unlocked voltage up to 1.2v that is 100% backed by NVIDIA. Bios modding just raises it to 1.212, hardly a huge jump and in many cases not helpful at all except for an additional 15-25 mhz at best. What a custom vbios like the one in my sig does is remove GPU Boost and remove power limits to get rid of throttling and have more stable clocks--that has nothing to do with voltage limits.
P.S. EVGA knows about these bios's and doesn't care too much. There's threads about them on their forum and they allow it. If they really cared that much, they'd delete the threads.
That s why we try to convince people not to buy overpriced cards. I want need GPU too! But if people will be $1000 cards I'll have to wait 2 years until I can afford it!If people dont buy them a price reduction will happen.
Compared to what? A slave on a chains is more free than a slave in a cage now? That's a good thing? Should we jump and clap our hands?Just FYI, with GPU boost 2.0 nvidia is actually allowing slightly higher vDroop settings on aftermarket cards as compared to reference cards. If i'm not mistaken, they're allowing +37mV across the board with approved coolers, and this also allows the AIBs to adjust the boost parameters to provide longer boosts. If you look at the TPU review of the Windforce 3 GTX 780 and the ACX GTX 780, you'll see the results of the higher voltage and GPU Boost 2.0 parameters - the aftermarket cards get *better* and *longer* boosts than the reference models do. Because nvidia is allowing AIBs slightly more flexibility. No, they're not fully voltage unlocked. But, it is more flexibility.
Doing that you increase the price of graphics cards for honest consumers that take responsibility for they actions (overclocking/volting and/or modding)Technically yes but you can always flash back before sending it in for RMA.
You know very well what I'm talking about.
http://www.overclockers.com/nvidia-says-no-to-voltage-control
"It's just limited."
Yeah because it's locked.
There would almost certainly be more performance if you could up the voltage. Hard modding, ok getting desperate to defend this bs move by nv.
Nice deflection, "real enthusiasts". What about normal enthusiasts that don't use LN2 but for example custom coolers (Lightning/water) and don't solder on parts.
You're sounding like a used cars salesman.
AMD locks their voltage too, lol. A cap isn't a lock.
That s why we try to convince people to not buy overpriced cards. I want need GPU too! But if people will be $1000 cards I'll have to wait 2 years until I can afford it!
Keysplayr, I know you think 780 is second best thing in the world (just after Titan). But your point of view is invalid. Consumers who have to pay for the products may have very different option to yours...