GTX700 series reviews thread

[Rvenger]

I'd say the avg GHz has 5 to 12 percent OC headroom.

The difference between the 480 and 5870 was much higher in DX11. The issue isn't in comparison, but how they're being compared. Using $200 sweet spot logic in defense of $450 video cards against $650 cards is, to say it nicely, stupid.

Actually statistically, the regular 7970 has better OC potential than GHZ. 1300 core is more viable with a non ghz edition GPU. They have been using high leakage chips with GHz for some strange reason, maybe a coincidence, maybe not.

I can agree with you that the OC headroom on GHz GPUs are less, but the regular 7970s have more potential, especially reference AMD models such as the Diamond 7970. The reference PCB with the 6+1 phase power with Bussman chokes are usually good up to 1500 - 1600mhz without blowing. That is with adequate cooling and a capable GPU. Most GPUs wouldn't even hit close to those numbers though.

 

[Elfear]

I'd say the avg GHz has 5 to 12 percent OC headroom.

The difference between the 480 and 5870 was much higher in DX11. The issue isn't in comparison, but how they're being compared. Using $200 sweet spot logic in defense of $450 video cards against $650 cards is, to say it nicely, stupid.

Now you're backpedaling. You said the 780 and the 7970 aren't comparable at all. A 15% difference really makes them uncomparable?

What others are arguing is perfectly valid. Why pay $200-250 more for 15% more performance? Sure price differences matter less at the high-end but it's still relative. If price wasn't relative, all the high-end users would pay the extra $350 for a Titan for 690.

 

[willomz]

While Crysis is technically smoother on 7970 the difference is so slight to be utterly meaningless.

All the single card solutions work as they ought to.

 

[sontin]

Because it's 15% faster?!

 

[raghu78]

I'd say the avg GHz has 5 to 12 percent OC headroom.

The difference between the 480 and 5870 was much higher in DX11. The issue isn't in comparison, but how they're being compared. Using $200 sweet spot logic in defense of $450 video cards against $650 cards is, to say it nicely, stupid.

The average HD 7970 Ghz OC range is 1150 - 1175 Mhz , so around 10 - 12% is realistic. 1200 - 1225 Mhz is above average. 1250 - 1300 Mhz is golden and very rare.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Now you're backpedaling. You said the 780 and the 7970 aren't comparable at all. A 15% difference really makes them uncomparable?

What others are arguing is perfectly valid. Why pay $200-250 more for 15% more performance? Sure price differences matter less at the high-end but it's still relative. If price wasn't relative, all the high-end users would pay the extra $350 for a Titan for 690.

Now you're adlibbing because you thought you saw something you didn't. I never said at all, I said they weren't comparable in performance.

Yes what others are arguing is perfectly valid but the 7970 is a crap card to make that argument. The argument itself is great, the way it's used is not.

Price is relevant in your price bracket, if your price is $650 the 7970 is a lesser option, albeit cheaper. If your price bracket is $450 than the 7950 is a better option than the 7970, albeit slightly slower.

Using just price/performance is a poor way to address high end video cards.

The 650 Ti Boost is the best price/performance video card on the market, even at 1600p. Why would you argue price/performance for the 7970 over the GTX 780 when it's an inferior solution to many other cards below it as well? Well the 7970 sucks for price/performance, but it's better than the faster GTX 780 is an argument based on stupidity.

 

[steviaintheraw]

Price/Performance is also relative because each user has an acceptable minimum performance threshhold; price/performance then would only be an accurate measure at the performance premium above their minimum. The best price/performance card could be a $3 card that won't run anything over .5 FPS

 

[willomz]

The best price/performance is the IGP that most of us have anyway.

 

[sontin]

The talk about performance/price is absurd because there is nothing else on the market which has the same performance like the GTX780.
P/P is screwed when there is no competition.

 

[Jaydip]

Have you guys noticed a funny thing, 7970 GHz and 780 Gtx have same strengths and shortcomings.Both don't respond too well to memory oc but increasing the clock has a very positive effect.But it seems 780 scales even better.

 

[sontin]

Because the GTX780 has less cores than Titan but the same bandwidth.
Or in comparision with the GTX680: 50% more bw but only 33% more raw performance.

 

[willomz]

Have you guys noticed a funny thing, 7970 GHz and 780 Gtx have same strengths and shortcomings.Both don't respond too well to memory oc but increasing the clock has a very positive effect.But it seems 780 scales even better.

They are both slightly over-specced on memory, They both have the same 384bit bus as the Titan but fewer cores.

 

[Jaydip]

Because the GTX780 has less cores than Titan but the same bandwidth.
Or in comparision with the GTX680: 50% more bw but only 33% more raw performance.

They are both slightly over-specced on memory, They both have the same 384bit bus as the Titan but fewer cores.

Indeed it seems both are ROP starved.

 

[Nate_007]

Dang! My local computer store is selling GTX 780 Superclocked and a regular one online both for $659. Why are they priced the same? I was about to checkout and the superclocked one and says it was sold out! Dang! Thats what I get for looking at the pictures and specs.

 

[wand3r3r]

The talk about performance/price is absurd because there is nothing else on the market which has the same performance like the GTX780.
P/P is screwed when there is no competition.

You whined about the 7970 price day in and day out. At the time it was faster than the 580 around the difference between 7970 and 780.. It didn't matter that it was the fastest single gpu out there etc. etc.

Typical hypocrisy.

 

[wand3r3r]

Some things I am interested in.

Clock for clock comparison with 7970 and Titan.
That would tell you (enthusiasts) the final value with an overclock as you can extrapolate pretty easily.

Overclock vs. Overclock Titan / 780 / 7970
Extreme OC vs. Extreme OC

When the next gen is arriving.
How many sponsored, or paid, as well as any other financially motivated shills there are in forums, including this one.

On a serious note, the clock for clock and OC comparisons would be nice at 1600p.

 

[Jaydip]

Some things I am interested in.

Clock for clock comparison with 7970 and Titan.
That would tell you (enthusiasts) the final value with an overclock as you can extrapolate pretty easily.

Overclock vs. Overclock Titan / 780 / 7970
Extreme OC vs. Extreme OC

When the next gen is arriving.
How many sponsored, or paid, as well as any other financially motivated shills there are in forums, including this one.

On a serious note, the clock for clock and OC comparisons would be nice at 1600p.

I believe it's nigh impossible considering the nature of gpu boost.

 

[Erenhardt]

You whined about the 7970 price day in and day out. At the time it was faster than the 580 around the difference between 7970 and 780.. It didn't matter that it was the fastest single gpu out there etc. etc.

Typical hypocrisy.

Times have changed... inflation occured...and now he is enthusiast!

 

[sontin]

You whined about the 7970 price day in and day out. At the time it was faster than the 580 around the difference between 7970 and 780.. It didn't matter that it was the fastest single gpu out there etc. etc.

Typical hypocrisy.

Yes, it was faster than an outdated 40nm product.
And not even that: 2 1/2 months it was beaten by a cheaper and faster card.

But we know: The 7970 was not overpriced and it did not allow nVidia to increase the prices of their own products.

"Typical hypocrisy" would it be to complain about nVidia's prices after my "own" company a) screwed the market with overpriced and underperforming products and b) take a break until Q4 to release new products.

 

[willomz]

Some things I am interested in.

Clock for clock comparison with 7970 and Titan.
That would tell you (enthusiasts) the final value with an overclock as you can extrapolate pretty easily.

How would you extrapolate it?

The only way to know is to actually overclock the cards and get empirical results.

 

[wand3r3r]

Yes, it was faster than an outdated 40nm product.
And not even that: 2 1/2 months it was beaten by a cheaper and faster card.

But we know: The 7970 was not overpriced and it did not allow nVidia to increase the prices of their own products.

"Typical hypocrisy" would it be to complain about nVidia's prices after my "own" company a) screwed the market with overpriced and underperforming products and b) take a break until Q4 to release new products.

So, 7970(&Ghz) beat the 680 for about 15 months?

How can you call it overpriced, and not call the 780 & titan overpriced? Hypocrisy at it's best.

You'll be singing a new tune when 9970 launches and they raise the price to counter nv's absurd pricing. Suddenly the faster card won't matter, because it costs more!

The only one with the "own" company would be you. I have no allegiance to either, do you?

How would you extrapolate it?

The only way to know is to actually overclock the cards and get empirical results.

Not necessarily a very accurate extrapolation, you could essentially estimate what a general overclock is and see the ratio the other card needs to match it or what kind of lead/difference there would be. I mean only a personal estimation, of course to demonstrate it you need benchmarks and known clocks.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Personally I'm torn between either waiting for a beefed up Lightning/similar card, or just going reference with a EK full cover block.

So, 7970(&Ghz) beat the 680 for about 15 months?

How can you call it overpriced, and not call the 780 & titan overpriced? Hypocrisy at it's best.

You'll be singing a new tune when 9970 launches and they raise the price to counter nv's absurd pricing. Suddenly the faster card won't matter, because it costs more!

The only one with the "own" company would be you. I have no allegiance to either, do you?

7970 still isn't faster than the 680, OC vs OC it's still only a bit faster. AMD gave up perf/w for performance and OC headroom with GHz it didn't actually change anything.

$100 extra for high end, GK110 is a much better proposition than $200 extra for mid-range 7970.

You'll be sorry!!!!!!!!! lol wow, everyone knows AMD can't hold a premium price because they aren't seen as a premium brand. How did the 7970 work out at the $550 price point, horribly right?

Who are you trying to convince?

 

[wand3r3r]

Personally I'm torn between either waiting for a beefed up Lightning/similar card, or just going reference with a EK full cover block.



7970 still isn't faster than the 680, OC vs OC it's still only a bit faster. AMD gave up perf/w for performance and OC headroom with GHz it didn't actually change anything.

$100 extra for high end, GK110 is a much better proposition than $200 extra for mid-range 7970.

You'll be sorry!!!!!!!!! lol wow, everyone knows AMD can't hold a premium price because they aren't seen as a premium brand. How did the faster 7970 work out at the $550 price point, horribly right?

Who are you trying to convince?

Ok, 7970 (G) isn't faster now? Who cares or is even talking about p/w. AMD had the faster card for most of the time, idc about marketing. I don't check how the marketing is going to decide on a card. Wow, you're desperate.

"Who are you trying to convince?"
Obviously not fanboys who ignore benchmarks along with anything else at their convenience.

Who are you trying to convince?
Denying nv had locked down the voltage, denying amd had the faster card for the majority of the past 1.5 years. Did nv hire you back? It's the old banned balla returning, desperate for the NV fix.

These are facts, not debated ideas.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

7970 has never been faster, it took an overclocked sku "GHz" to beat the stock 680, that's never not been that case.

680 is faster at 1080 and 1600 than the 7970, it's equal to the GHz at 1080.

"Wow, you're desperate"

Then who are you talking to? Clearly anyone with your point of view has already seen everything you're saying so they've already come to the same conclusion as you right? lol!

Denying your interpretation of "locked down". Never denied GHz wasn't faster at high res! It's the old you wounded me 1.5 years ago and now I'm going to do what you did in my mind's eye while calling you a hypocrite at the same time routine.

 

[ocre]

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...ics-Card-Review-GK110-Mini/Performance-Pricin

Interestingly, there is more and more frame time variance creeping up into the results with the GTX 780 and the GTX Titan. This is due to the surge in CPU bottlenecks that occur when you add more and more GPU horsepower to the system. NVIDIA's frame metering technology can really only alleviate the issue when the GPU is the primary bottleneck, so when the other components cause the problem NVIDIA is mostly helpless. AMD's setup seems to have the other problem - when the GPU is the primary bottleneck CrossFire just can't get out of its own way.