GTX700 series reviews thread

[Puffnstuff]

I plan to upgrade my 480 sli to 780 when things stabilize more.

 

[ocre]

Not to justify the price but when i see 780 acx nearly matching the 7970 in price vs performance at higher resolutions, its hard for me to imagine what wouldve happen if the 780 was priced at below $550.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfdollar_2560.gif

There is no doubt in my mind that overtime the gtx780 will creep down in prices. I honestly love the card but i dont see myself paying that kind of money for the performance right now. But considering the current market, if it were released in the same bracket as the 680 launched what would AMD have done? It wouldve completely disrupted the entire market. Every segment would have to come drastically down. Could AMD even make money selling 7970s for 300 or less? 7950s for 200 or so? The more i think about the more i see that its effect would be extremely massive all at once.

There are many things to consider here. What about all the other cards on the shelves, out in the wild? Its just a bigger than some may think. As much as we would all love an extremely great price on the 780 when it launched, its effect would be unmeasurable across the board. It would hurt AMD as much as nvidia (as well as all their partners). Its not so simple.

The 780 is still kepler, its on the same node as every other card thats been out since 2012. Its priced high and prevents a total disruption. It can come down in price over time while the rest of the market can adjust. This is better than total devastation. So as much as i want a 780, it makes sense to me that it is high. I know this kind of performance will only come down in price over time. This we all can bet on. Its just exciting for me to see progress like this. When it comes to PCs, GPUs are pretty much the only thing left to get excited over. While everything else barely advances year over year, GPUs leap.

 

[tential]

you dont think it would be worth waiting a couple more days?

No matter if you go for the gtx770 or not, the potential for cards to drop in price is there. Slight possibility or not. As the landscape changes, turmoil follows. like.....
the flood of used cards coming on the market now that the 700 series is among us. There should be some great deals on barely used 680s, 7970s, and 670s.

Haha of course I do. I don't even have a PC anymore that I could put a 7970 into. This is a whole new build. It's my first desktop in 10 years. My last PC was 5 years ago a Gateway p-7801u (based on p-7811 which got great reviews everywhere). I want something by the end of June at the latest. By the time I beat all earlier 2003-2008 titles that I want to, I want to have a system ready to play 2008+ titles. I haven't played any single player games in so long. Dunno if I could buy used though. I don't trust people haha.

Not to justify the price but when i see 780 acx nearly matching the 7970 in price vs performance at higher resolutions, its hard for me to imagine what wouldve happen if the 780 was priced at below $550.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfdollar_2560.gif

There is no doubt in my mind that overtime the gtx780 will creep down in prices. I honestly love the card but i dont see myself paying that kind of money for the performance right now. But considering the current market, if it were released in the same bracket as the 680 launched what would AMD have done? It wouldve completely disrupted the entire market. Every segment would have to come drastically down. Could AMD even make money selling 7970s for 300 or less? 7950s for 200 or so? The more i think about the more i see that its effect would be extremely massive all at once.

There are many things to consider here. What about all the other cards on the shelves, out in the wild? Its just a bigger than some may think. As much as we would all love an extremely great price on the 780 when it launched, its effect would be unmeasurable across the board. It would hurt AMD as much as nvidia (as well as all their partners). Its not so simple.

The 780 is still kepler, its on the same node as every other card thats been out since 2012. Its priced high and prevents a total disruption. It can come down in price over time while the rest of the market can adjust. This is better than total devastation. So as much as i want a 780, it makes sense to me that it is high. I know this kind of performance will only come down in price over time. This we all can bet on. Its just exciting for me to see progress like this. When it comes to PCs, GPUs are pretty much the only thing left to get excited over. While everything else barely advances year over year, GPUs leap.

It's what I've been saying non stop since people started complaining. Nvidia isn't going to canabalize it's own card sales. It's not going to destroy it's Titan sales, GTX 680 sales, etc. just because people are mad that the card seems "over priced". If AMD released a card that performed just as well for 500 and lowered all of it's prices sure, but right now, Nvidia has no pricing pressure. Better to be able to sell your whole line of products, and lower prices later when you need to, then to piss off every vendor in the world by releasing the GTX 780 at 500. Hell, even if Nvidia WANTED to release the GTX 780 at 500 vendors would still price it higher. They aren't going to destroy their own sales of cards they have to get rid of.

What I quoted in bold though is exactly what I've said everytime people complain.

 

[3DVagabond]

It's what I've been saying non stop since people started complaining. Nvidia isn't going to canabalize it's own card sales. It's not going to destroy it's Titan sales...

Don't you think the 780 is going to hurt Titan sales? It's definitely priced to protect the cards below it, but I don't see it being priced close enough to Titan to get many people to choose the Titan over it.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

The only way the GTX 780 is better price/perf than the Titan is in gaming. I think we've all come to the conclusion that Titan was never really simply a gaming gpu and for that purpose made almost no sense outside "best of the best" purchasers.

While Titan still retains "best of the best", the GTX 780 is a way better choice for gaming. However the other side to the Titan saga was 1/3 DP, whereas the GTX 780 is 1/8 DP. Titan is still a far better option for those seeking DP in CUDA outside the workstation price range.

 

[Granseth]

The only way the GTX 780 is better price/perf than the Titan is in gaming. I think we've all come to the conclusion that Titan was never really simply a gaming gpu and for that purpose made almost no sense outside "best of the best" purchasers.

While Titan still retains "best of the best", the GTX 780 is a way better choice for gaming. However the other side to the Titan saga was 1/3 DP, whereas the GTX 780 is 1/8 DP. Titan is still a far better option for those seeking DP in CUDA outside the workstation price range.

GTX780 is 1/8 DP of Titan, or 1/24DP, so there is no contest there.

As a result GTX 780 can offer 90% of GTX Titan’s gaming performance, but it can only offer a fraction of GTX Titan’s FP64 compute performance, topping out at 1/24th FP32 performance rather than 1/3rd like Titan. Titan essentially remains as NVIDIA’s entry-level compute product, leaving GTX 780 to be a high-end gaming product.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Thanks for the clarification! 1/24, no contest >.<

 

[Imouto]

Nvidia won't drop its prices for a while.

And the GTX 780 won't hurt Titan sales, both are in different leagues. The guys that wanted to spend one grand in a graphics card already did now is time for those in the market for a $500+ upgrade and they're already pushing their buttons with a $650 price tag.

Just look at the i7 3830K and the i7 3970k. It's an even closer performance difference and Intel doesn't drop the price for any of them.

The GTX 780 is in middle ground from the GTX 770 and Titan. It's a win/win situation for Nvidia. As already said, Nvidia dropping prices is a wishful thinking. The only one that would make a price drop happen is AMD and they're out the field gaping. Same goes for them though, if you expect AMD to drop its prices sit tight, the GTX 770 will be faster than the GTX 680 hence priced higher.

And I think that Nvidia is moving away from APU range in a really smart move bumping all its graphics lineup one tier.

 

[3DVagabond]

I hope the 770 doesn't end up more expensive than the 680. It should be < $400.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I think it should be between $400 and $450, but will probably end up being $500 and look terrible against the GTX 780 aftermarket cards.

 

[Imouto]

My gut says $450~500.

 

[24601]

All the leaks say $449, it'll surprise me if its more than $460.

It will be $400 if AMD pre-cuts their prices on their 7970 but I don't see signs of them doing that at the moment.

 

[3DVagabond]

We haven't seen it yet, but it's rumored as being nothing more than an O/C'd 680 with a firmware update. How can it not cost less and be justified? GK104 has been out for over a year now.

 

[toyota]

knowing Nvidia it will probably be at least 450. IMO more than 400 is going to piss off a lot of customers as that bracket is way more price sensitive than the x80 bracket. if its 400 then bet your ass we will see a 770ti with 320bit bus to fill that gap though.

gtx780
2304/192/48 384 bit $649

gtx770 ti
2304/192/40 320 bit $499-$549

gtx770
1536/128/32 256 bit $399-$449

 

[Imouto]

We haven't seen it yet, but it's rumored as being nothing more than an O/C'd 680 with a firmware update. How can it not cost less and be justified? GK104 has been out for over a year now.

Since when Nvidia has to justify itself?

 

[3DVagabond]

Since when Nvidia has to justify itself?

Who cares what nVidia says? I'm talking about amongst us.

 

[Imouto]

Who cares what nVidia says? I'm talking about amongst us.

Well, everyone said and knew that Titan was a ripoff at launch and some of the most vocal ppl ended buying a Titan or even a SLi setup. It even outsold the GTX 690 in just three months! Nvidia does what it wants and goes away with it, why stop it then? Hell, why not keep pushing your customers buttons till they actually turn their backs on you? They seem to have endless patience.

 

[Rvenger]

Goes to show no matter how much AMD lowers prices, most enthusiasts don't care about shelling out an extra 500 dollars for 25-30% more performance. It just seems that most of the market wants Nvidia no matter what the price is.

 

[blackened23]

Goes to show no matter how much AMD lowers prices, most enthusiasts don't care about shelling out an extra 500 dollars for 25-30% more performance. It just seems that most of the market wants Nvidia no matter what the price is.

Most of the market? Or just enthusiasts? The people on this forum, discussing things in this thread, aren't most of the market. Most of the market buys cheap and low-budget items, and that's a fact. I remember looking at selling statistics for a few online retailers and the vast majority of top 100 sales (amazon in particular) was cheap junk. 100$ GPUs. I even saw 6 year old GPUs being sold in there, because it's cheap. I think amazon still has top 100 lists, although it's been a while since i've viewed it. Anyway, The folks who buy premium maximus motherboards, use water cooling, buy 650$ GPUs - those are exceptions. Not the rule. As it happens, those exceptions are the ones who gravitate to tech forums - keep that in mind. The average consumer would never even bother or want to visit this forum.

I would say if you ask people here, of course they only talk about the high end. But this forum isn't really representative of the typical consumer. Anyway, nvidia definitely has some brand loyalty for the high end crowd - I remember people were buying 8800 ultras for 1000$ back in the day. Crazy stuff. There are still folks like that out there, possibly even me at times. I bought two 780s which are en route, even though I have absolutely no need for them - my existing setup plays everything 100% fine.

 

[tviceman]

If it is more than $450 for refererence models' nvidia will be shooting themselves in the foot. The gtx780 can be priced the way it is because there is no equal to it. The 770 though will likely trade blows with a stock 7970GE and therefore can't possibly have a $70 price premium over it. It will be a much higher volume part and therefore should be priced appropriately to the market.

 

[tviceman]

http://videocardz.com/42112/official-nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-performance

Official Nvidia slides. Performance looks spot on where it would be expected. Of course the nvidia slides leave of Dirt 3 showdown and Hitman, but I still think this card will end up slightly faster than a stock 7970GE in most reviews. Price needs to be $450 or less, but damn these prices are not moving down like at 40nm and 55nm.

If wonder if Nvidia is going to make a gtx790...

 

[sushiwarrior]

GTX780 is 1/8 DP of Titan, or 1/24DP, so there is no contest there.

However the other side to the Titan saga was 1/3 DP, whereas the GTX 780 is 1/8 DP. Titan is still a far better option for those seeking DP in CUDA outside the workstation price range.

780 has all of the hardware to do 1/3DP, it just is missing a software switch in the driver. It doesn't cost Nvidia less because of lack of FP64 to make a 780 because they didn't remove any hardware, they just removed the driver option from the 780.

 

[wand3r3r]

I wonder if you could just flash the bios or edit something in configuration files to enable it?

 

[sushiwarrior]

I wonder if you could just flash the bios or edit something in configuration files to enable it?

I'm sure someone with a 780 who wants to do compute will figure it out. It could be as difficult as Tesla/Quadro flashes, IE. you need to solder different resistors onto the PCB, or it could be as simple as a BIOS flash with a different card ID number. It depends how picky Nvidia is.

 

[24601]

http://videocardz.com/42112/official-nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-performance

Official Nvidia slides. Performance looks spot on where it would be expected. Of course the nvidia slides leave of Dirt 3 showdown and Hitman, but I still think this card will end up slightly faster than a stock 7970GE in most reviews. Price needs to be $450 or less, but damn these prices are not moving down like at 40nm and 55nm.

If wonder if Nvidia is going to make a gtx790...

It's going to be interesting to see how well Nvidia's integrated memory controller and ROPs scale when the reviewers try to overclock the 7000 MT/s binned GDDR5.

If they can get it to 8000 MT/s it would be amazing. I'm really interested to see what the limit of the IMC and ROPs are though.