You can't have your cake and eat it too willy.
If the GTX 780 is $100 overpriced that pushes the entire stack down.
Unfortunately for AMD, their 206w card is 45% slower than the 206w EVGA GTX 780 SC.
You do the math, the GTX 580 was $500 and 40% faster than the GTX 560Ti which was $250.
That makes the GTX 680 a $225 product and the 7970 GHz a $250 product, Ghz is right around $440 on newegg.
I hope that helps, willy!
His point is your suggestion that the 680 should sell for half it's price, even though it's already more cost efficient than the 780, is ill thought out at best and on the level of a 3 year old who wants everything for free at worst :| You're the one coming in here and trolling...
To use everyone's new favorite comparison tests (frametimes and 99th percentile) the 780 doesn't come out as rosy as you imply.
Tech Report (780 is 5% better in 99th percentile benchmarks)
Tech Spot "The frame time performance was a bit different as the GeForce GTX 780 was just 12% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition"
PcPer (780 is 21% better in 99th percentile at 1440p, 10% better without Far Cry 3 results)
The results aren't that impressive for a card released almost 18 months later and priced $200-250 higher. The EVGA SC sku is impressive but it's only 15% faster than reference and adding 15% to the results above still doesn't justify the 7970Ghz being priced down to $250.
Interesting this is being swept under the rug and not talked about. :whiste:
The card needs some driver tuneups I guess. Where are all the guys clamoring for slower but smoother now? :hmm:
sushiwarrior said:45% slower? Excellent work comparing an OC'd card to a stock one...
IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.
Rather then rehashing the sales speech, find a comparison to an overclocked 780 vs a 7970 @1200 which is likely just an average 7970 OC.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322253
Then you need not speculate, nor do we.
http://videocardz.com/42265/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-770-graphics-cards-roundup
Retail 770s with pictures, no one appears to be using the reference cooler.
If I repeat myself enough times I'll make it true!
in full effect.
Perhaps he was going for "It's a flop."? But really not quite up on his cleverness. Posters about to "flip flop"?"Shoe."?
Edit: The file name is flip flop so that rules out my final guess.
IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.
IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.
Most other review sites peg the 780 at 15% faster than the Ghz card (less then that if you consider frametime latency and 99th percentile performance). If the EVGA ACX is 15% faster than a reference 780, something isn't adding up here. 15% + 15% <> 45%.
Either TPU is overly optimistic with their ACX performance or EVGA now employs real wizards on their staff.
So, GTX 770 is faster, cheaper and consumes less power than HD 7970 GHz.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/
I wonder how AMD fanboys will promote not to buy this card this time? :whiste: