GTX700 series reviews thread

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omeds

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That's pretty decent. I'm currently on x8 pcie 2.0 in SLI waiting for Haswell, so I expect I could get a bump in performance with pcie 3.0 and a faster CPU.
 

Elfear

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You can't have your cake and eat it too willy.

If the GTX 780 is $100 overpriced that pushes the entire stack down.

Unfortunately for AMD, their 206w card is 45% slower than the 206w EVGA GTX 780 SC.

You do the math, the GTX 580 was $500 and 40% faster than the GTX 560Ti which was $250.

That makes the GTX 680 a $225 product and the 7970 GHz a $250 product, Ghz is right around $440 on newegg.

I hope that helps, willy!

To use everyone's new favorite comparison tests (frametimes and 99th percentile) the 780 doesn't come out as rosy as you imply.

Tech Report
(780 is 5% better in 99th percentile benchmarks)

Tech Spot
"The frame time performance was a bit different as the GeForce GTX 780 was just 12% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition"

PcPer (780 is 21% better in 99th percentile at 1440p, 10% better without Far Cry 3 results)

The results aren't that impressive for a card released almost 18 months later and priced $200-250 higher. The EVGA SC sku is impressive but it's only 15% faster than reference and adding 15% to the results above still doesn't justify the 7970Ghz being priced down to $250.
 

SirPauly

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His point is your suggestion that the 680 should sell for half it's price, even though it's already more cost efficient than the 780, is ill thought out at best and on the level of a 3 year old who wants everything for free at worst :| You're the one coming in here and trolling...

IMho,

Based on History he has a point -- he uses the the GF-114 and GF-110 as examples.

The constructive nit-pick of 28nm has been a more-so evolutionary and incremental price performance considering the node and arches were substantial and significant.

Prices were raised and both did push up pricing sectors --- If AMD pushed up from 369 to 549 from the HD 6970 to the HD 7970 and 299 to 449 from the HD 6950 to the HD 7950 -- the same with nVidia.

28nm price performance was set by the HD 7970 and GTX 680.
 

wand3r3r

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To use everyone's new favorite comparison tests (frametimes and 99th percentile) the 780 doesn't come out as rosy as you imply.

Tech Report
(780 is 5% better in 99th percentile benchmarks)

Tech Spot
"The frame time performance was a bit different as the GeForce GTX 780 was just 12% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition"

PcPer (780 is 21% better in 99th percentile at 1440p, 10% better without Far Cry 3 results)

The results aren't that impressive for a card released almost 18 months later and priced $200-250 higher. The EVGA SC sku is impressive but it's only 15% faster than reference and adding 15% to the results above still doesn't justify the 7970Ghz being priced down to $250.

Interesting this is being swept under the rug and not talked about. :whiste:

The card needs some driver tuneups I guess. Where are all the guys clamoring for slower but smoother now? :hmm:
 

SirPauly

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Interesting this is being swept under the rug and not talked about. :whiste:

The card needs some driver tuneups I guess. Where are all the guys clamoring for slower but smoother now? :hmm:

What should be swept under the rug? The GTX 780 is faster and smoother?

Thanks to sites like Techreport and vocal gamers -- AMD has a smoother gaming experience for their customers now with help from TechReport, other sites and the community.
 

wand3r3r

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It's lead is less than the raw FPS, that's all. So by smoothness it's only ~10% faster which makes it an even worse performer/$, according to the strong proponents of smoothness.
 

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45% slower? Excellent work comparing an OC'd card to a stock one...

IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.
 

wand3r3r

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IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.

Rather then rehashing the sales speech, find a comparison to an overclocked 780 vs a 7970 @1200 which is likely just an average 7970 OC.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322253

Then you need not speculate, nor do we.
 

ams23

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Rather then rehashing the sales speech, find a comparison to an overclocked 780 vs a 7970 @1200 which is likely just an average 7970 OC.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2322253

Then you need not speculate, nor do we.

Try using some common sense. A 7970 GHz. Ed. @ ~1.2GHz. max clock would be close to 11% faster than standard GHz Ed. clocks. The GTX 780 SC ACX at max clocks would be close to 11% faster than standard SC clocks. Again, No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt ( http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfwatt_2560.gif ) and competitive Perf. per dollar ( http://tpucdn.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_SC_ACX_Cooler/images/perfdollar_2560.gif ) compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.
 
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http://videocardz.com/42265/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-770-graphics-cards-roundup

Retail 770s with pictures, no one appears to be using the reference cooler.

Looks like no new Windforce cooler like on the 780 either...

Hopefully the ACX is identical to the one on the 780.

Asus is not even a consideration with only the old Dual-Slot DirectCUII

The Lightning will probably have inferior cooler to the ACX (If ACX is identical as on 780), when I reference 7970 power consumption vs Temps vs 780 power consumption vs Temps.

The palit triple fan coolers looks interesting, and brand new. Will be interesting to see what the temps are on that reviewed.

I don't know how Zotac's or Galaxy's dual fan cooler stacks up either.

No Titan Cooler at launch is very disappointing to anyone planning to run these cards in SLI, since the Titan cooler should have plenty of headroom when the card is 230 TDP.
 

Vesku

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Perhaps he was going for "It's a flop."? But really not quite up on his cleverness. Posters about to "flip flop"? "Shoe."?

Edit: The file name is flip flop so that rules out my final guess.
 

Erenhardt

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Perhaps he was going for "It's a flop."? But really not quite up on his cleverness. Posters about to "flip flop"? "Shoe."?

Edit: The file name is flip flop so that rules out my final guess.

Look at the benchmarks.... it clearly is 1 foot ahead of 7970!
Do I have to explain everything to you?!
 

raghu78

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IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.

your arguments are really poor. you pick one of the best factory overclocked GTX 780 models and compare its OC performance with a stock HD 7970 Ghz. here is a factory overclocked HD 7970 Ghz which when overclocked gains anywhere from 17.5 to 25% ( sleeping dogs benefits from memory overclocking ) over a stock HD 7970 Ghz.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/10/16/asus_matrix_hd_7970_platinum_video_card_review/4

also Titan is 25 - 30% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. the EVGA SCX is around 3 - 5% faster than Titan , so 28 - 35% faster than HD 7970 Ghz.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61310-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review-15.html

Titan - 31% faster than HD 7970 Ghz.

http://www.techspot.com/review/644-nvidia-geforce-titan/page10.html

"It also dispatched the HD 7970 GHz Edition with an average of 30% more frames per second and 25% better frame latency. The average frame rate gap was narrowed to 13% when testing Sleeping Dogs, but even in that worst case scenario, the Titan still offered considerably better overall frame time performance."

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-im-test/3/

Titan - 24% faster than HD 7970 Ghz.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/894-23/recapitulatif-performances.html

Titan -31 % faster than HD 7970 Ghz.

so if we take EVGA GTX 780 SCX as 35% faster than HD 7970 Ghz stock. GTX 780 Max OC vs HD 7970 max OC perf gap will reduce to 25 - 30% .
 

Elfear

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IIRC, the GTX 780 SC ACX is about 42-46% faster on average than 7970 GHz Ed. and GTX 680, respectively, at 25x16 resolution in TPU's extensive gaming test suite. As for OC vs. stock, you are simply arguing semantics. The GTX 780 SC ACX runs at SC clocks that are higher than reference clocks, but it gains an additional ~11% performance when overclocked beyond SC clocks at max clocks, which is pretty close to the performance gain when running 7970 GHz Ed. or GTX 680 overclocked at max clocks. No matter which way you skin it, the $659 USD GTX 780 SC ACX offers better Perf. per watt and competitive Perf. per dollar compared to 7970 GHz Ed., which is quite an accomplishment for a very high end card.

Most other review sites peg the 780 at 15% faster than the Ghz card (less then that if you consider frametime latency and 99th percentile performance). If the EVGA ACX is 15% faster than a reference 780, something isn't adding up here. 15% + 15% <> 45%.

Either TPU is overly optimistic with their ACX performance or EVGA now employs real wizards on their staff.
 

Grooveriding

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Most other review sites peg the 780 at 15% faster than the Ghz card (less then that if you consider frametime latency and 99th percentile performance). If the EVGA ACX is 15% faster than a reference 780, something isn't adding up here. 15% + 15% <> 45%.

Either TPU is overly optimistic with their ACX performance or EVGA now employs real wizards on their staff.

:thumbsup: It's pure FUD being spewed. Even the Titan only has about a 25% edge on the 7970Ghz. The overclocked 780 in TPU's review has a few percentile lead on the stock Titan, not changing anything and easily written off to the variables of the randomness of boost on different cards.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-im-test/3/

 

ams23

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@ raghu78, the TPU data across a very wide variety of 18 gaming benchmarks at 25x16 resolution speaks for itself: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35059456&postcount=526 (+42% advantage over 7970 GHz Ed, +46% advantage over GTX680, all at standard SC clocks), and SC clocks are nowhere near max achievable clocks. Like it or not, EVGA has outdone themselves with the GTX 780 SC ACX. Don't be too surprised if other AIB's follow suit soon afterward too.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Interesting...



Considering they use drivers to enable settings I'm not surprised.

I find the gross power discrepancy a bit suspect with their performance numbers as well. Are we to believe Titan and the 780 draw the same as the 680 while GHz draws 70 more watts?
 

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No, partner have the choice how they design the cards. So they only buying GPUs and memory from nVidia and using their own platine design.

There are few companies going with the reference design but i think we will see much more custom designs.

So, GTX 770 is faster, cheaper and consumes less power than HD 7970 GHz.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_770/

I wonder how AMD fanboys will promote not to buy this card this time? :whiste:

First they will ignore it. And after AMD cut their prices and giving you a new PS3, Xbox One and Haswell CPU for free they will say how nVidia is ripping of their "fanbois".
 

Vesku

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Nice to see the $400 MSRP.

Looks like it trades blows with the 7970GE according to Anandtech review. Which HardOCP seems to agree with when comparing reference clocks.

Edit: Lost most of the power efficiency advantage getting there though. Could say this is 680 GE, heh.
 
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96Firebird

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Yup, seems to completely tie the 7970GHz at almost all resolutions. It will be interesting to see how well aftermarket coolers can overclock it, I want to see if the 7GHz memory can reach 8GHz as a norm.
 
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