GTX700 series reviews thread

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BallaTheFeared

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No, I've been having second thoughts

Picking up a Haswell system as soon as it drops, been waiting so long for it the CF fix in comparison is something I haven't even started waiting for yet.

If AMD would at least make the prototype available to the public bugs and all it would take the 780 off my mind... I liked 470s over the 7970, I'd be bias if I didn't like my cheaper, power hungry, overclocking 7950's over the 780 (shhh don't tell anyone though).
 

Carfax83

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I'm not using modded games as a measuring stick, just trying to say that I expect games to use more VRAM in the future so is it enough?

2GB of VRAM should be enough for at least another 2 years I'd wager; especially at 1080p. The thing is, DX9 is finally being retired so we won't have to put up with it's inefficiencies anymore; unless you play legacy titles.

For new games though, DX11 has much better texture compression and better memory efficiency.. Just make sure you have at least 8GB of system memory.

Although SLI and Crossfire are great options to add more performance, I was simply talking single card. Physx is nice and I like the idea, but I dunno if I'll ever use it. I liek the option though which is why I wanted Nvidia. As for 3D, I'll never play or use anything 3D. Just seems too gimmicky for me.

PhysX is awesome man. Try playing Batman Arkham City, or Metro Last Light with PhysX turned on, and then turn it off. You'll see the game quality isn't nearly as good with it disabled.
 
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raghu78

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Currently I'd go with the 770, I already have two bundles so I don't need any of the games. The first netted me about $40 off, the second about $20. I can't imagine Tomb Raider brings that up much if at all, the games are just so old and the market is flooded with sellers both gamers and miners.

That said in the future given equal pricing, which is highly unlikely because AMD has been shown time and time again to require better price/perf to break even or gain slightly in market share a new bundle would swing me in favor of the GHz. Or an unlocked 7970, but as far as I've seen most are now voltage locked making them less appealing despite the cost difference.

The nice thing about overclock potential is that products are typically priced at their factory default performance. AMD cut into a bit of their potential at the cost of price for us as consumers, GHz and Boost added nothing for overclockers but obviously kept the price up for AMD. I don't think AMD is going to bump clocks again so hopefully they have a refresh ready, but either way if the 760Ti is basically a 670 with a clock bump AMD's product stack at the top is going to plummet since that will be around $300 most likely and completely destroy the boost 7950 and probably compete with the 7970 (non ghz) price bracket.

performance on HD 7950 is 5% slower than HD 7970 at same clocks, just as it is with GTX 670 and GTX 680. so whatever can be done on HD 7970 is just slightly slower on HD 7950. the HD 7950 boost reviews are at stock power control of 0% where clocks throttle and don't consistently run at 925 mhz. users who run these cards max the power control to +20%. the average overclock for HD 7950 boost is 1100 - 1150 mhz. you need a GTX 670 at 1200 - 1250 mhz to keep up at those speeds. at stock the GTX 670 ( aka GTX 760 Ti) will be faster but overclocked they will be close.
 

BallaTheFeared

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performance on HD 7950 is 5% slower than HD 7970 at same clocks, just as it is with GTX 670 and GTX 680. so whatever can be done on HD 7970 is just slightly slower on HD 7950. the HD 7950 boost reviews are at stock power control of 0% where clocks throttle and don't consistently run at 925 mhz. users who run these cards max the power control to +20%. the average overclock for HD 7950 boost is 1100 - 1150 mhz. you need a GTX 670 at 1200 - 1250 mhz to keep up at those speeds. at stock the GTX 670 ( aka GTX 760 Ti) will be faster but overclocked they will be close.

What does this have to do with anything I said?

AMD isn't pricing the 7950 at $300 because it can overclock past their $450 card.
 

Face2Face

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No, I've been having second thoughts

Picking up a Haswell system as soon as it drops, been waiting so long for it the CF fix in comparison is something I haven't even started waiting for yet.

If AMD would at least make the prototype available to the public bugs and all it would take the 780 off my mind... I liked 470s over the 7970, I'd be bias if I didn't like my cheaper, power hungry, overclocking 7950's over the 780 (shhh don't tell anyone though).

:biggrin: I understand. I have been debating on getting another 7950 as well, but I am not until this crossfire mess is fixed or the price is right . The GTX 780 is the only card in a long while that made me slap myself with my CC in hand glaring at my Newegg cart. I badly want one but .... I just can't do it -- I hate paying full price for anything.
 
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raghu78

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What does this have to do with anything I said?

AMD isn't pricing the 7950 at $300 because it can overclock past their $450 card.

what i meant you are exaggerating the difference in performance between a GTX 670 and HD 7950. here is a video review of OC cards. btw there was a problem with their particular GTX 770 sample. you can see HD 7950 edge out a GTX 670.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQAbBU43mpo
 

SickBeast

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I'm talking about stock, which is what the cards are priced for, how was that not clear?
That's all well and fine, but you gain ~43% overclocking a 7950 so you kind of have to bring it into the equation; it's not as though you don't do it, so it is definitely relevant for you.

I think that AMD is definitely going to have to react to all of these new cards, and we could even see a bit of a price war given the performance parity between the 7970 and the GTX 770.

I agree with your frustration regarding AMD not releasing the prototype drivers. What is even more infuriating is the way in which they are downplaying this issue, saying that it's not a big deal. The microstutter with crossfire right now is completely unacceptable and even with a single card the frame latency is questionable compared to nVidia.

AMD needs to dedicate more resources to their driver team. Their hardware engineering is top notch. They need better software and drivers.
 

Imouto

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The microstutter with crossfire right now is completely unacceptable and even with a single card the frame latency is questionable compared to nVidia.

This. This is why AMD can't have nice things. It doesn't matter if the problem has been fixed for good 5 months already even besting Nvidia. Something that happened 8 months ago with a handful of new released, plain buggy and TWIMTBP games will pursue the 7000 series forever.
 

sushiwarrior

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This. This is why AMD can't have nice things. It doesn't matter if the problem has been fixed for good 5 months already even besting Nvidia. Something that happened 8 months ago with a handful of new released, plain buggy and TWIMTBP games will pursue the 7000 series forever.

Only game with any possible issues is FC3 which has minor spikes, nothing that Nvidia doesn't have in other titles.
 

Elfear

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...and even with a single card the frame latency is questionable compared to nVidia.

AMD needs to dedicate more resources to their driver team. Their hardware engineering is top notch. They need better software and drivers.

The recent reviews show AMD doing just fine with single GPUs. Where are you seeing different?

Tech Report

Tech Spot

PCPer
 

Vesku

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With 770 having a fair price and the 7970 single card having addressed frame timing concerns, get whichever one catches your eye.

Tech Report - epicenter for the smoothness reviewing - from their GTX 780 review.

http://techreport.com/review/24832/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-graphics-card-reviewed

Crysis 3

"This last metric measures "badness"—that is, time spent working on really high-latency frames. Here, the Radeon HD 7970's smaller spikes at those trouble points in the test run give it the edge. AMD's drivers and GPU combine to produce a smoother gaming experience in this case. "

Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon

"Not too many surprises here. The 99th percentile results are all under 33 ms, which means except for the last 1% of frames, all of the GPUs are slinging frames at better than 30 FPS. Even the longest frame times aren't too large: no frame takes more than 50 milliseconds to render, so there's very little "badness" going on. "

Tomb Raider

"The FPS average and 99th percentile frame times tend to agree, which means we aren't looking at any major problems with high frame latencies. A look at the distributions from each card will confirm that assessment. What's left is a very straightforward outcome: the GTX 780 is somewhat slower than the Titan but faster than the Radeon HD 7970. See a pattern developing yet? "

Guild Wars 2

"Although there are some frame time spikes for all of the cards, only the Titan and GTX 780 show substantial spikes in their FCAT results as well as in Fraps. The GTX 680 and 7970 have very smooth lines in FCAT; the hiccups in Fraps are buffered out. As you sort through the various results, you're see the different cards changing position depending on whether we're looking at Fraps or FCAT data and what's being emphasized. "

Sleeping Dogs

"The Radeon HD 7970 pulls off the upset here in our latency-focused performance metrics, followed closely by the Titan and the GTX 780. "
 
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Keysplayr

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This. This is why AMD can't have nice things. It doesn't matter if the problem has been fixed for good 5 months already even besting Nvidia. Something that happened 8 months ago with a handful of new released, plain buggy and TWIMTBP games will pursue the 7000 series forever.

AMD has earned their current position/reputation as did most tech companies, including Nvidia, Intel, TI, whoever and also including those that have gone out of business.

Every company stumbles now and then, because well, they are made up of imperfect human beings. Some companies stumble more often than not as AMD has done quite a bit in the last half decade especially. Please, for the love of all that's holy, accept that AMD cannot have nice things because of AMD. Not because of anyone and everyone BUT AMD.
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P.S. Sickbeast was indeed incorrect though stating that single Radeons have similar problems as crossfired Radeons. Not at all true.
 
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SickBeast

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P.S. Sickbeast was indeed incorrect though stating that single Radeons have similar problems as crossfired Radeons. Not at all true.
That's my bad, you are right and I apologize. I thought I had read in more than one place that it was true but they must have been talking about crossfire.
 
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